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Re: Senator Feinstein to introduce a new AWB
« Reply #125 on: December 18, 2012, 08:20:13 AM »
I agree that SCOTUS "takings" analysis under the 1st and 14th amendments is limited to real property, and does not extend to personal property.  (But I get the passion around the idea that stealing is stealing).  After Kelo v. City of New London, many states beefed up their private property laws, but, again, no enhanced protections were extended to personalty.

I also agree that in theory congress may be able to ban and require destruction of certain firearms, which would be deemed contraband and subject to confiscation without compensation.  That seems to be how the California attorney general tried to roll 20 years ago.  I view the risk of that kind of legislation being adopted as remote, even under the high pressure of the current digital media storm. 

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Re: Senator Feinstein to introduce a new AWB
« Reply #126 on: December 18, 2012, 09:07:30 AM »
If we weather this without any significant legislation, save maybe some band-aid tightening of NICS reporting or whatever, the tiny silver lining is if we win this one, then we really, really, really have won the RKBA argument, stick a fork in it.

BIG 'if's' I fully and readily admit, but yet it's there.

The inaction after Columbine and VT were serious blows to the antis, who in terms of funding and membership already were on the ropes, but the inaction and their inability to pass anything after such high profile events it let everyone else know it. Granted, the kids weren't as young, but it established a pattern and a benchmark for us to win.

And in terms of the "political climate" being against us, I'm not sure by how much it really is. Obama won with a fair number of blue-collar types who fell for the class-warfare/class-envy stuff, but folks who otherwise love their guns every bit as much as the rest of us do. And aside from Fast and Furious, they were willing to vote for him again based on his relative inaction on anything gun-related.

If it comes to that, I feel bad for my kids... and the kids of the people doing the confiscating.

Another thing to consider is that AR type rifles are way more popular now.  I am also hearing that they are selling out everywhere.  Hopefully, these people are thinking, "Hey, wait a minute, I am not crazy..."

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Re: Senator Feinstein to introduce a new AWB
« Reply #127 on: December 18, 2012, 09:10:06 AM »
Any buzz on what might be labeled an "assault weapon" this time?  AR-15's seem to be the new media talking point, as opposed to AK's last time.  But I'm hearing and reading the Glock name a whole lot this time around...with the Arizona shootings, the Va. Tech shootings, and now the Sandy Hook guy packing one.  Kind of worried "assault weapon" ay include handguns this time...


Ed Schultz: "...a Glock pistol qualifies as an assault weapon."

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Re: Senator Feinstein to introduce a new AWB
« Reply #128 on: December 18, 2012, 09:36:34 AM »
If Ed Shultz says it, it has to be true. :D

The semi-automatic pistol catagory is certainly getting some attention this time (again).  I think it very unlikely that your run of the mill semi-auto (aka bottom feeder) will be banned, but a magazine capacity limit is another issue.  Sen. Lattenberg (D-NJ) is re-introducing a bill specifically to limit magazine capacity to 10-rounds again.  My guess is that he feels it better to take little steps than a big one such as Feinstein is trying to take on the gun issue.

A political discussion on gun control or as Bloomberg says, "gun regulation", is a consequence of the Sandy Hook event.   But I did find it offensive that the gun control issue was already being tossed about by the media before the bodies were even taken out of the school.
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Re: Senator Feinstein to introduce a new AWB
« Reply #129 on: December 18, 2012, 09:37:19 AM »
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Re: Senator Feinstein to introduce a new AWB
« Reply #130 on: December 18, 2012, 11:25:09 AM »
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But I did find it offensive that the gun control issue was already being tossed about by the media before the bodies were even taken out of the school.

They can't let a crisis go to waste, now can they?

Keep in mind the leftist version of solving the problem involves mass graves and disappearing people. They are the kind that think that Communism is a great thing and that the reason the Soviet Union failed is A) The Right People weren't in charge and B) Not enough Enemies of the State were killed.

Think I'm crazy? Look at how many people are calling for gun owners to be shot.
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Re: Senator Feinstein to introduce a new AWB
« Reply #131 on: December 18, 2012, 11:43:21 AM »
The Left's vision is all of us living in a unified socialist state under their rules and operating with our industry and treasure.  They have won the culture war and they have won the demographics war, and they are hard on the march to repeal what is left of our inalienable rights.  There is no way to co-exist with them as free people because our vision of freedom means nothing to them, is in fact repulsive to them.  Maybe we will figure that out before it's too late and do what's necessary.  Or maybe not.

It is dispiriting to see even people on the Right, allegedly, wobbling on gun rights in the aftermath of Sandy Hook.  We have way too many soft-headed people who are opionating solely on emotion--but that is exactly the culture that we have permitted to be created in the last half-century.  A society where the tragic death of children, however horrific, makes us irrational, impulsive, and either mute or hysterical is not one where liberty can exist much less flourish.  Don't think the Left, ruthless as they are, toxic as they are, does not understand our passions, manias, and, yes, radical weaknesses.

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Re: Senator Feinstein to introduce a new AWB
« Reply #132 on: December 18, 2012, 12:45:36 PM »
On the whole ex post facto conversation, maybe it was already mentioned but what about full-autos? While not outright banned, back when it started they had to be registered and if not registered in time it became illegal to own.  ???
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Re: Senator Feinstein to introduce a new AWB
« Reply #133 on: December 18, 2012, 01:38:41 PM »
On the whole ex post facto conversation, maybe it was already mentioned but what about full-autos? While not outright banned, back when it started they had to be registered and if not registered in time it became illegal to own.  ???

That's always how confiscations go.

You have a time window to register.  Beyond that you are a criminal
Fast forward a certain amount of time
You have a window to turn them in. Beyond that you are a criminal.  PS we already know who you are.
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Re: Senator Feinstein to introduce a new AWB
« Reply #134 on: December 18, 2012, 01:53:43 PM »
Do you need to inform the ATF if the NFA item s destroyed/lost?

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Re: Senator Feinstein to introduce a new AWB
« Reply #135 on: December 18, 2012, 02:01:54 PM »
I am all for meaningful discussions about gun rights, such as:

1. Nationwide constitutional carry

2. No gun free zones, except secure facilities like jails.


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Re: Senator Feinstein to introduce a new AWB
« Reply #136 on: December 18, 2012, 02:13:12 PM »
Do you need to inform the ATF if the NFA item s destroyed/lost?
I believe notification of ATF after an NFA item is destroyed is customary, but I don't know if it required.  If it is stolen, again ATF is notified and presumably local police as well.  I have no idea about if one is lost but theft is not suspected.

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Re: Senator Feinstein to introduce a new AWB
« Reply #137 on: December 18, 2012, 02:14:16 PM »
"AK-15" could easily just be the brain processing faster than the mouth can speak. A sorta mismash comes out: I've had that happen before

O'Reilly is a moron. I remember him ranting on years ago about how we need to get all the machine guns and bazookas off our streets.  ;/

I believe notification of ATF after an NFA item is destroyed is customary, but I don't know if it required.  If it is stolen, again ATF is notified and presumably local police as well.  I have no idea about if one is lost but theft is not suspected.

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Re: Senator Feinstein to introduce a new AWB
« Reply #138 on: December 18, 2012, 02:23:09 PM »
O'Reilly is a moron. I remember him ranting on years ago about how we need to get all the machine guns and bazookas off our streets.  ;/

Damn boating accidents.

He does like the bazooka example. But hey, Ahnold used one in a movie once, so they must be available at gun shows, right?  ;/
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Re: Senator Feinstein to introduce a new AWB
« Reply #139 on: December 18, 2012, 02:47:17 PM »
I am all for meaningful discussions about gun rights, such as:

1. Nationwide constitutional carry

2. No gun free zones, except secure facilities like jails.


 :P

Me too.

And they can begin with dealing with gangstas and ghettos, which generate Sandy Hook massacres every weekend.  Then they can move on to the systematic dismantling of the culture of self-reliance and reason and responsibility that were always the palladium of RKBA in traditional America.

Will this happen?  No way.  Because we are irreversibly two nations, two cultures now.  All of this is just the anteroom of that momentous realization and what it will imply about our future and liberty.
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Re: Senator Feinstein to introduce a new AWB
« Reply #140 on: December 18, 2012, 02:56:16 PM »
Nothing makes me more assured about the future of US gun ownership then knowing its most prominent enemy is Dianne Feinstein.
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Re: Senator Feinstein to introduce a new AWB
« Reply #141 on: December 18, 2012, 03:13:10 PM »
Yeah, but Feinstein isn't the problem, it's the army of Feinstein epigones behind her.  I'm not saying her views prevail, just that we have a big problem on our hands given the powerful wave of anti-RKBA propaganda.
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Re: Senator Feinstein to introduce a new AWB
« Reply #142 on: December 18, 2012, 03:36:31 PM »
He does like the bazooka example. But hey, Ahnold used one in a movie once, so they must be available at gun shows, right?  ;/

God I get tired of correcting this...bazookas are not available at gunshows...you have to go to the Army-Navy surplus store. They keep them in the hidden backroom along with the GPMGs and grenades and claymores. For chrissakes...
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Re: Senator Feinstein to introduce a new AWB
« Reply #143 on: December 18, 2012, 03:39:25 PM »
God I get tired of correcting this...bazookas are not available at gunshows...you have to go to the Army-Navy surplus store. They keep them in the hidden backroom along with the GPMGs and grenades and claymores. For chrissakes...

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Re: Senator Feinstein to introduce a new AWB
« Reply #144 on: December 18, 2012, 03:41:24 PM »
God I get tired of correcting this...bazookas are not available at gunshows...you have to go to the Army-Navy surplus store. They keep them in the hidden backroom along with the GPMGs and grenades and claymores. For chrissakes...
Dude WTF?!?

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« Reply #145 on: December 18, 2012, 04:00:51 PM »
I know, WTH now everybody is going to want one....Can you imagine the price increase...
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« Reply #146 on: December 18, 2012, 04:30:57 PM »
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Re: Senator Feinstein to introduce a new AWB
« Reply #147 on: December 18, 2012, 05:25:03 PM »
http://globalsociology.com/2012/12/15/on-the-guns-thing-i-would-just-like-to-point-out/

Argument against Pro RKBA rationalizations. 

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Re: Senator Feinstein to introduce a new AWB
« Reply #148 on: December 18, 2012, 05:47:01 PM »
http://globalsociology.com/2012/12/15/on-the-guns-thing-i-would-just-like-to-point-out/

Argument against Pro RKBA rationalizations. 

The graph is stupid and shows the author's bias.  If you invert it (i'm probably misusing a technical term), it becomes obvious -- Graph the number of non-firearm homicides vs. the lack of availability of firearms.  I bet you have a lot of knife deaths in the UK, for instance.

An interesting graph might show number of guns per 100 by country vs. the total homicide rate. 
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Re: Senator Feinstein to introduce a new AWB
« Reply #149 on: December 18, 2012, 05:55:21 PM »
US is 26th in the world for per capita gun deaths. All of the countries above us have significantly more restrictive firearm laws.

And, of course, all sociology is complete and utter bullshit.
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