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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on July 24, 2022, 07:11:17 PM
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Turning Point USA did a poll of all the youngsters at their annual conference of who they want to run for President in 2024. Trump=79%, DeSantis=19%. I was shocked by this. I would have figured those numbers to run the opposite for conservative 20somethings.
Other than Twitter, I liked Trump as President, but I just can't get behind a second run for him in '24. It seems I might be in the minority on the conservative side.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-dominates-2024-gop-presidential-nomination-straw-poll-turning-point-usa-summit
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I don't know a lot about Turning Point, but I'm guessing that poll has as much to do with what the organization is telling its members, as anything else.
Much as I'd love to see the anti-Trump mythology (and left-wing minds) shattered by another 4 years; it's obvious we need a president with a better working knowledge of how to get results, and who won't get quite as bogged down in slap-fights with detractors.
But it is surprising about the ages involved. I've also seen polling that says Biden's approval is lowest among the very young. Maybe it took a truly disastrous administration for younger people to realize how good Trump really was.
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"Much as I'd love to see the anti-Trump mythology (and left-wing minds) shattered by another 4 years; it's obvious we need a president with a better working knowledge of how to get results, and who won't get quite as bogged down in slap-fights with detractors."
As much as I hate to agree with Fisty, I agree 1000000000000000000% with his assessment.
I do NOT want to see Trump run again.
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I'd like to see Trump win again, if for no other reason to see him signing a big stack of EO's re-instituting all his old policies that Biden cancelled, as well as cancelling every new EO Biden signed. Resume wall construction. Back to "Remain in Mexico." Keystone Pipeline on again. Paris Accords cancelled. Iran nuke deal cancelled. And on and on and on.
The reaction of democrats and the media would be worth it - who knows, I might just even tune in to The View so I could see Joy Behar's fit of apoplexy. >:D
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I'm sick of Trump's garbage.
He was horribly unpopular with the general public during the large majority of his term in office.
Indpendents hate him.
A majority of the public doesn't want him to run again.
So sure, let's run him again! Surely he has fixed his horrible personality defects and has stopped making stupid decisions by now.
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I'd like to see Trump win again, if for no other reason to see him signing a big stack of EO's re-instituting all his old policies that Biden cancelled, as well as cancelling every new EO Biden signed. Resume wall construction. Back to "Remain in Mexico." Keystone Pipeline on again. Paris Accords cancelled. Iran nuke deal cancelled. And on and on and on.
The reaction of democrats and the media would be worth it - who knows, I might just even tune in to The View so I could see Joy Behar's fit of apoplexy. >:D
I'd love to see all of that, but we need a president that can work with Congressional GOP to make those EOs (and more) into actual laws, that will be harder to undo. Yes, if the GOP weren't the stupid party, they would have done that in his first term. But whatever - our country is in dire straits. We need better leadership than what Trump can offer.
Trump will still be preferable to any Democrat, of course.
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I don't want Trump again either. However, under almost any analysis, running Trump again is probably the winning strategy. It's a restatement of the observation that our system produces garbage candidates that please nobody, but there it is just the same.
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My take?
If Trump runs, the left will self-destruct.
Who for the VP? That's going to be the fun one.
I'm hoping for NO career politician. We saw that that got us.
Joe Rogan would be fun...
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I'm sick of Trump's garbage.
He was horribly unpopular with the general public during the large majority of his term in office.
Indpendents hate him.
A majority of the public doesn't want him to run again.
So sure, let's run him again! Surely he has fixed his horrible personality defects and has stopped making stupid decisions by now.
Translation- Trump was horribly unpopular with the people who claim to not like Biden and Democrat policies yet vote for them every time and then get online to harass everybody and defend him with the “I don’t like Biden either but here’s a convenient propaganda piece about how Issue X isn’t actually his fault”
Never before have we had such a president claimed as being so popular but in reality being so hated that damn near everybody other than the Twitter bots and out of touch coastal elites hate his guts while simultaneously it is claimed that a president who had insanely massive rallies, boat parades, etc and a massive groundswell of ordinary citizen support is “really not that popular”
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Translation- Trump was horribly unpopular with the people who claim to not like Biden and Democrat policies yet vote for them every time and then get online to harass everybody and defend him with the “I don’t like Biden either but here’s a convenient propaganda piece about how Issue X isn’t actually his fault”
Never before have we had such a president claimed as being so popular but in reality being so hated that damn near everybody other than the Twitter bots and out of touch coastal elites hate his guts while simultaneously it is claimed that a president who had insanely massive rallies, boat parades, etc and a massive groundswell of ordinary citizen support is “really not that popular”
Yup. You can hate Trump's theatrics, but:
SCOTUS
Judicial appointments
Strict Border
Energy independence
A topped off Strategic Reserve. STRATEGIC reserve. At the cheapest price in the history of the universe. The best ever.
He was one of our most successful presidents, and absolutely should be the one sitting in DC right now. But whether you think he lost fairly or through conspiracy, he's out, and I just don't think a "loser" can get back in, or if they do, will have much effectiveness.
That said, if it comes down to him or any democrat in 2024, I'm voting Trump all day long. All the front runner dems are the biggest commie pinkos we have ever seen running, ever. They are all radical extremists that would be 100X worse than Biden.
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My take?
If Trump runs, the left will self-destruct.
Who for the VP? That's going to be the fun one.
I'm hoping for NO career politician. We saw that that got us.
Joe Rogan would be fun...
How about a female VP . . . especially a woman of color?
He could do worse - a LOT worse - than Virginia's current Lieutenant Governor, Winsome Earle-Sears.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.patriots.win%2Fpost%2FIo0qBIuM.jpeg&f=1&nofb=1)
(Oops - no can do. Jamaican-born.)
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At this point I’d prefer Desantis over Trump but either over any Democrat. What’s the odds Hillary resurfaces and runs?
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Trump polled terribly most his time in office. He only looks popular compared to how horrific Biden is polling.
(https://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/fzsweqhshkchvixkmkoeyg.png)
Why don't we pick someone that appears to be both hypercompetent, and without Trump's poor decision making skills?
Like Desantis?
I would like a competent Republican for President next term.
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... What’s the odds Hillary resurfaces and runs?
I noticed a few trial balloons floated in the media a couple of weeks ago along with some bots pushing the name on 4chan of all places. I haven't noticed anything here recently so either they didn't like whatever feedback they got or they're going for some sort of slow-drip re-introduction over the next year or so.
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Trump polled terribly most his time in office. He only looks popular compared to how horrific Biden is polling.
(https://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/fzsweqhshkchvixkmkoeyg.png)
Why don't we pick someone that appears to be both hypercompetent, and without Trump's poor decision making skills?
Like Desantis?
I would like a competent Republican for President next term.
We get it, you're a Trump hater.
He wasn't my first pick but still a damned sight better than anything the democrats have. Initially, I mostly considered him the political equivalent of of the side show geek biting the heads off of the establishments chickens. Not happy with everything he did but I'm not particularly annoyed with his tendency to push back against the opposition using their own tactics either.
I'm also not particularly trusting of the polls we saw and still see from "mainstream" sources, remember these were the same outfits that predicted Hillary in a huge landslide. Either they suck at polling because they are incompetent or they suck at poling because they are dishonest and biased.
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Trump polled terribly most his time in office. He only looks popular compared to how horrific Biden is polling.
And that terrible polling translated to his gaining >10 million more votes in 2020 than he got in 2016. Just wasn't enough to beat what was reported for Biden.
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Trump polled terribly most his time in office. He only looks popular compared to how horrific Biden is polling.
Gallup polls of his approval ratings are horrible examples. They were all based on the polled sheep not liking his personality. He did phenomenal things behind the twitter façade, like the aforementioned SCOTUS picks. You can hate him, but you can't say he didn't do more good things vs bad than any R president since Reagan. Perhaps moreso than Reagan.
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I don't hate Trump.
I think he was a pretty good President his first three years in office. Amazingly so, but better than I would have ever guessed.
He did very badly his final year. He botched his covid response badly. His fiscal policy was horrific. The inflation of the money supply he oversaw is one of the reasons inflation is so bad now.
I want someone who has a better chance of being elected, without crap poll numbers, and who isn't so terrible with the budget. And who doesn't lie so much.
Like DeSantis.
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How about
Liz Cheney
Bro, WAT?! Geraldo Rivera fanboying over Liz Cheney, even going so far as to suggest she run for president, results in a LEGENDARY ratio
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/07/25/bro-wat-geraldo-rivera-fanboying-over-liz-cheney-even-going-so-far-as-to-suggest-she-run-for-president-results-in-a-legendary-ratio/
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It is a brilliant opportunity for a third party if the choice is Biden Trump which the LP will assuredly potato.
Not a sure vote but I would at least wait to hear what Gabbard has to say and who the running mate would be. Unless it is something like that out of far left field I am staying home. I voted for orange man with enthusiasm. Twice. We don’t need anymore non self controlled octogenarians no matter the party. Be like 2012 all over again for me, I didn’t vote tell me a real difference between those slime.
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I can't imagine that Biden will be running.
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I want someone who has a better chance of being elected, without crap poll numbers, and who isn't so terrible with the budget. And who doesn't lie so much.
Do you really think any decent non-libtard running against the left will get good, honest poll numbers from the mainstream polling outfits?
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Do you really think any decent non-libtard running against the left will get good, honest poll numbers from the mainstream polling outfits?
Is it possible that Trump's terrible poll numbers weren't actually fake, and that his constant lying, conspiracy theories, and insulting fellow republicans actually made him unpopular with the general public?
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Sure, it's possible, just like Hillary's poll numbers were reality based in 2016.
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I worry more about Biden disappearing and his VP move up and Hillary gets appointed VP. Then President Whatsername accidently dies and Hillary is president.
I think if DeSantis got the R nod, all the Trumpers would support him enthusiastically.
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One downside of Trump2024 is that we won't have an incumbent in 2028.
I think if DeSantis got the R nod, all the Trumpers would support him enthusiastically.
Only if Trump refrains from turning his diehard supporters against DeSantis, the way he did with all his challengers 6 years ago.
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I think if DeSantis got the R nod, all the Trumpers would support him enthusiastically.
This is my belief as well. At least from what I know about him, I like him. I'm not sure there are any other R candidates worth my vote at this time. My opinions all might change in early 2024 though. =)
To French's point, I would be inclined to vote for Gabbard over somebody like Jeb Bush (please clap). Or also just sit it out.
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I like some of her positions but I can’t vote for Tulsi until she gets fully redpilled plus anyone even remotely identifiable with by the majority of Americans gets brutally crushed by the Dems. She doesn’t hate the flyover people and that’s why they ran her out.
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Tulsi Gabbard wants to ban "assault weapons."
https://twitter.com/tulsipress/status/969032936069644288?lang=en
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Thought this was interesting.
I keep saying the Tea Party was the polite request, Trump was the less polite request, it does not get more polite from here. Why do I say this? Because I have the brains God gave a rock and I do not live in the Eternal Now. Insult people enough and they will only loathe you.
— alexandriabrown (@alexthechick) July 25, 2022
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Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney, Marco Rubio, et. al. would all sign an assault weapons ban "if it made it to their desk". Every "moderate Republican" would. It's only the domestic terrorist extremists like Cruz, DeSantis, and Huckabee that wouldn't.
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Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney, Marco Rubio, et. al. would all sign an assault weapons ban "if it made it to their desk". Every "moderate Republican" would. It's only the domestic terrorist extremists like Cruz, DeSantis, and Huckabee that wouldn't.
The Bushes, Romney and Rubio suck also.
Tulsi was an assault weapon ban cosponsor. That's appalling. I find the crush some gun owners have on this gun banning woman bizarre.
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The Bushes, Romney and Rubio suck also.
Tulsi was an assault weapon ban cosponsor. That's appalling. I find the crush some gun owners have on this gun banning woman bizarre.
Always important to remember that while Tulsi might not be a crazy commie leftist like some of them, she is still a Democrat and solidly in the liberal camp. She is probably even crazy leftist in other ways.
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The Bushes, Romney and Rubio suck also.
Tulsi was an assault weapon ban cosponsor. That's appalling. I find the crush some gun owners have on this gun banning woman bizarre.
No one here has a crush on her. She's simply more conservative / libertarian than around half the current crop of Republicans. I wouldn't vote for her over DeSantis, or even Trump. Over Jeb Bush? As I said earlier, her or sitting 2024 out is preferable to me.
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The Bushes, Romney and Rubio suck also.
Tulsi was an assault weapon ban cosponsor. That's appalling. I find the crush some gun owners have on this gun banning woman bizarre.
This. Having heard her opinions on issues while she was still a part of politics in Hawaii, I detested her elitist attitude towards us mere civilians owning AR's. She played the veteran credibility card a lot.
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Tulsi Gabbard wants to ban "assault weapons."
https://twitter.com/tulsipress/status/969032936069644288?lang=en
One of the major issues I have with her.
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I'd have a hard time voting for Tulsi unless she were running against a truly despicable imitation "R" like Adam Kinzinger or Liz Cheney, but she does seem to be one of the few rational Democrats that are left. I think she and I could remain civil in a 1-on-1 discussion where we disagreed with each other on many issues.
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Loads of guys on AR15.com (of all places) love her some weird reason. ;/
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I believe Tulsi loves her country, even if I disagree with her on an awful lot.
That is getting to be more and more rare.
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I'm not sure how much Democrat is left in Tulsi, but we shall see. As many have said I have issues with so e of her policies. Not surprising as I think Hawaii is pretty far up the list of shitty state .govs.
It's worth remembering though, Trump actually did some BS anti-gun stuff, and started the "I'll just have ATF change a definition if I want to ban something " crap that they are flexing with the 80%s and Brace rules right now. He's only pro 2A when he needs votes.
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True. Except for his supreme court picks, Trump was mediocre to poor on guns.
And, amazingly enough, that made him better than average for Republican Presidents. ;/
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Speaking of polls
Political Polls
@Politics_Polls
2024 New Hampshire Democratic Primary:
Buttigieg 17%
Biden 16%
Warren 10%
Newsom 10%
Klobuchar 9%
Sanders 8%
Harris 6%
Ocasio-Cortez 5%
Clinton 3%
Abrams 3%
Booker 2%
@UNHSurveyCenter,
https://scholars.unh.edu/cgi/viewconten
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2022/07/26/new-poll-shows-biden-losing-to-buttigieg-in-new-hampshire/
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Please, not Buddha Judge. Even if he loses the election, I can't take another year of listening to that fraud delivering lectures on how to be a perfect Christian. :facepalm:
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I think if DeSantis got the R nod, all the Trumpers would support him enthusiastically.
Not all of them.
Much like Trump himself, some of them will never move on from the 2020 election and refuse to vote for anyone else out of principle.
Hopefully they are a very small group.