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Title: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: Ben on March 07, 2019, 08:22:03 PM
So 125 members of the house voted in favor of the voting age being changed to 16. Including a single Republican from Texas?!?

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/03/07/in-other-news-125-house-democrats-vote-to-lower-the-national-voting-age-to-16/
Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: Andiron on March 07, 2019, 09:32:47 PM
Remember the "honorable" rep.  Omar's list?

Yeah, those work both ways.
Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: Pb on March 08, 2019, 10:09:56 AM
I think we should make it illegal for all gov employees, or anyone receiving welfare or gov subsidies, to vote.

But that's just me.
Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: makattak on March 08, 2019, 10:13:03 AM
When the country needs to be guided by more responsible and mature decisions, you can count on the Democrats to do everything they can to empower short-sighted people.
Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: Fly320s on March 08, 2019, 11:47:44 AM
When the country needs to be guided by more responsible and mature decisions, you can count on the Democrats to do everything they can to empower short-sighted people.

Jamis is of legal voting age.
Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: freakazoid on March 08, 2019, 07:04:54 PM
Jamis is of legal voting age.

I guffawed.
Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: 230RN on March 09, 2019, 02:30:56 AM
What?  You mean 70% of the House actually showed some good sense?

A rare and precious thing.

Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: Scout26 on March 09, 2019, 04:02:31 AM
I think we should make it illegal for all gov employees, or anyone receiving welfare or gov subsidies, to vote.

But that's just me.

I prefer the Starship Troopers model....
Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 09, 2019, 07:08:24 AM
What?  You mean 70% of the House actually showed some good sense?

A rare and precious thing.



Don't get too excited.  Read up on HR1. 
Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on March 09, 2019, 07:18:30 AM
Nope. Not unless drinking, smoking, gambling, porn, enlistment and gun buying goes with it.

One age should be picked for legal adult and that should be the end of it. I think 20 would work. It's a nice, even number and let's you correctly refer to all underage people as teenager.
Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: Ron on March 09, 2019, 10:25:43 AM
Nope. Not unless drinking, smoking, gambling, porn, enlistment and gun buying goes with it.

One age should be picked for legal adult and that should be the end of it. I think 20 would work. It's a nice, even number and let's you correctly refer to all underage people as teenager.

Too logical and clear cut.

Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: 230RN on March 09, 2019, 10:40:38 AM
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Quote from: 230RN on Today at 12:30:56 AM

What?  You mean 70% of the House actually showed some good sense?

A rare and precious thing.

Don't get too excited.  Read up on HR1.  

Yeah... misplaced optimism on my part.  It's hard to find a silver lining when it's completely overcast.
Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: TommyGunn on March 09, 2019, 11:08:01 AM
I prefer the Starship Troopers model....

I hope you mean the book,  not the movie.
Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: Scout26 on March 09, 2019, 02:14:46 PM
I hope you mean the book,  not the movie.

We do not even acknowledge existence of a movie....
Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: T.O.M. on March 09, 2019, 03:56:49 PM
You know, I do a lot of work with young people.  Some of them I would trust to be more informed and careful voters than a lot of people already legally allowed to vote.  It's too bad we can't make people take a test to get a voting permit, like we do driver's licenses...
Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: grampster on March 09, 2019, 04:14:03 PM
"It's too bad we can't make people take a test to get a (running for office permit) and voting permit, like we do driver's licenses..."

FIFY
Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: Kingcreek on March 09, 2019, 06:37:45 PM
You know, I do a lot of work with young people.  Some of them I would trust to be more informed and careful voters than a lot of people already legally allowed to vote.  It's too bad we can't make people take a test to get a voting permit, like we do driver's licenses...
And another test before making offspring. Call it common sense population control.
Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: freakazoid on March 09, 2019, 11:52:32 PM
And another test before making offspring. Call it common sense population control.

Not comparable.
Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: Ron on March 10, 2019, 11:16:40 AM
The children will always vote for mommy.
Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: 230RN on March 10, 2019, 10:23:34 PM
You know, I do a lot of work with young people.  Some of them I would trust to be more informed and careful voters than a lot of people already legally allowed to vote.  It's too bad we can't make people take a test to get a voting permit, like we do driver's licenses...

If you're talking about the Scouts, you're talking about a skewed sample.  Pardon my own skewed view, but it seems to me most kids today are just like dogs running in packs.  No mind of their own, just the pack's mentality.  It's almost like they've got a union.

Pardon my optimism.  :eyeroll: :sarcasm:

And a test for a voting permit...? OK, I get it.



Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: zxcvbob on March 11, 2019, 12:47:28 AM
Why 16?  Why not make it 7?   :lol:  Their teacher can fill out the ballot for them.   [tinfoil]
Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on March 11, 2019, 12:41:39 PM
I can see a single huge argument in favor of it, and I challenge any of you to disprove it.

When at age 16, you have two years until you reach the age of majority and are fully subject to all the glories of the government in charge.  Taxation is a big one that comes to mind, as well as conscription.

It's highly immoral to have a government in place that can conscript you to your death, that you had no say in the election of those officials that declared the war that killed you.

That being said, I still stand on the AnCap platform that Democracy is the second greatest illness of the 20th century behind only Communism, for the amount of evil it creates.
Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: WLJ on March 11, 2019, 12:52:38 PM
Move it back to 21. You can't vote until you have at least a little real world mileage on the odometer 
Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: Ben on March 11, 2019, 01:03:42 PM

When at age 16, you have two years until you reach the age of majority and are fully subject to all the glories of the government in charge.  Taxation is a big one that comes to mind, as well as conscription.

To me, that's akin to saying legal immigrants have a right to vote before they are granted citizenship and subject to all the responsibilities of citizenship. If you don't like conscription at 18, you can vote to change it when you reach 18 and keep those younger than you from being conscripted. Just like I have to suck it up with any number of things that I can vote to change. I have to deal with them now, but if I and enough others vote to change them, others down the line won't ever have to be subject to them.

Otherwise we might as well change the voting age to 12 and also allow anyone with feet dry in the country to vote because at some point down the line they may have skin in the game.

Also, to respond to Chris's post above: While I fully believe Chris works with some responsible and mature 16 year olds, I guarantee that for every one of them, there are nine other 16 year olds who will vote whichever way MTV tells them to, or whichever way gives them the surest chance of getting laid, or whichever way will ensure "free stuff", because they have no experience in having to fend for themselves. Most 16 year olds are immature knuckleheads. I know - I was one of them.
Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: 230RN on March 11, 2019, 01:45:39 PM
I figure since the age of mental maturity (given some "measure" of it) varies widely among individuals,  the older we make the age of voting, the higher percentage of "mature" individuals we will have in the voting pool.

This would be a good thing.

Make it 21.

After all, the minimum age to be President is 35... by the same reasoning, I assume.

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: Scout26 on March 11, 2019, 05:49:20 PM
Voting is too hard man....

https://www.npr.org/2016/05/16/478237882/millennials-now-rival-boomers-as-a-political-force-but-will-they-actually-vote
Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: WLJ on March 11, 2019, 06:06:16 PM
Voting is too hard man....

https://www.npr.org/2016/05/16/478237882/millennials-now-rival-boomers-as-a-political-force-but-will-they-actually-vote

That's okay, Dem poll workers will gladly cast their vote for them if they're too busy to come out of the basement. It's the least they can do.
Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 13, 2019, 01:50:24 PM
Nope. Not unless drinking, smoking, gambling, porn, enlistment and gun buying goes with it.

One age should be picked for legal adult and that should be the end of it. I think 20 would work. It's a nice, even number and let's you correctly refer to all underage people as teenager.

I am interested in your ideas, and would like to subscribe to your YouTube channel.
Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: RoadKingLarry on March 13, 2019, 04:05:12 PM
We do not even acknowledge existence of a movie....

Well, there is some gratuitous boobage in the movie.... So not a total waste.
Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: Andiron on March 14, 2019, 07:35:30 PM
Move it back to 21. You can't vote until you have at least a little real world mileage on the odometer 

This.

Voting should be a guarded privilege,  not a god damned free for all open to anyone willing to show up.
Title: Re: 30% of the House Votes in Favor of Voting Age of 16
Post by: WLJ on March 18, 2019, 12:04:50 PM
How about we raise the min age to buy tide pods to 21?