Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (Rediscovered)

[roo_ster]

Ugh.  I had forgotten what a POS this film was. 

And what trash most of the movies were, save only II (and maybe III, if I am feeling generous).

If you can not recall it, no worries, you aren't missing anything.  All that money spent, you'd think they could have spent some of it on a believable plot, some characters that were not caricatures, and some decent writing.  Yes, that could describe most of the Star Trek movies.

And I came away seeing the UFP and Starfleet as even more authoritarian than before.

[TommyGunn]

HEATHEN!

I take it you're not a Trekker.

STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE    C-   Has some redeeming qualities but was too long by 60 minutes.
                                                       The jackwagon who edited out the part about Spock's revelation
                                                        in the original theatrical release should be drawn & quartered.

STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF KHAN  A-  An unusually literate follow on, the chief problem being Kirk's son
                                                        being a bit of a libtard.

STAR TREKIII: THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK  B-  Kirk recovers Spock on the Genesis planet, comes into contact
                                                        with a nasty Klingon who murders his son, and blows upt the
                                                        Enterprise to thwart the Klingons.  Kirk's best line:
                                                        "I have had ENOUGH OF YOU!"  as he stomps the Head Klingon
                                                         until he falls into a pit of lava.




 STAR TREK IV The Voyage Home             Some amusing banter highlights Trek's 5,978,686,385 story
                                                         involving time-travel.  Kirk must save a whale .... like we should
                                                         care what some dumb alien probe wants, except it is playing
                                                         really bad with its neighbors.  
STAR TREK V                                  C-   Gene Roddenberry always had a burr up his b**t with regards
                                                          organized religion and this mishmash was derived originally from
                                                          mind.  Shatner directed this and proved conclusively that
                                                          Leonard Nimoy was a better director.  Atleast the music score
                                                          was okay.
STAR TREK VI THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY
                                                    B+   The final frontier, for the original series crew.  A competent
                                                          thriller brought Nicholas Meyer back into the director's chair,
                                                          outshining even Nimoy.  


Roo_ster .... you really really have to be a Trekker to "get it."      

Me ... now I'd have you beamed into the vacuum of outer space with the beam set on "scatter."  

[Perd Hapley]

.... you really really have to be a Trekker to "get it."     
 

You don't see the problem there?     

Also, did you post your review of number IV in the past, so we have to use time travel in order to read it?

[Brad Johnson]

After the Shatner-helmed abomination that was V, it was a refreshing and welcome return to the ethos and principles of the original series.  Ben Hur it isn't, but it's still a decently enjoyable way to spend an evening if you're even the least bit a fan of Star Trek.

Brad

[roo_ster]

Feh.  I am a fan of TOS and movie II.  And that is about it.  The rest of the franchise was stinker after stinker.  TOS had some very interesting content and loses out to the follow on shows and movies in only production values.   Very sad IMO.

[LadySmith]

Well, you guys certainly debunked the myth of odd & even-numbered Star Trek movies (odd-numbered ones were supposed to be bad & even-numbered ones were supposed to be good).

[lupinus]

I actually like the undiscovered country.

At least it didn't have any *expletive deleted*ing whales

[wmenorr67]

First one was good enough for me to watch the second.  Second was the best of the bunch.  They jumped the shark with the third and really haven't seen any of them after that all the way through.

[lee n. field]

Ugh.  I had forgotten what a POS this film was. 

And what trash most of the movies were, save only II (and maybe III, if I am feeling generous).

If you can not recall it, no worries, you aren't missing anything. 

That the one where some wannabe "God" wants a starship?  They all blend together.
 

And I came away seeing the UFP and Starfleet as even more authoritarian than before.

"where are the deathcamps?"

[onions!]

I watched Khan a couple of weeks ago.

It would have made a LOT more sense to just blow up the Genesis thing along with Khans' ship.

Of course then Spock would have lived and the whole story arc would have been gone.

And I suppose someone will say that that's a bad thing.

[lee n. field]

Well, you guys certainly debunked the myth of odd & even-numbered Star Trek movies (odd-numbered ones were supposed to be bad & even-numbered ones were supposed to be good).

It's more like Windows versions.  Every once in a while there's a sweet spot.  About the same frequency, a real stinker that they wish everyone would forget ever existed.

STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE    C-   Has some redeeming qualities

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persis_Khambatta

[MechAg94]

Going back to watch old Star Trek episodes is always interesting.  The "lessons" or preaching of some episodes is there, but I can live with it.  There are other old shows I can't hardly stand to watch such as The Rifleman.  

[HankB]

You trekkies do understand that the first ST movie was essentially a bigger-budget remake of "The Changeling", an episode from the original series, right?

What I remember most from Wrath of Khan is that Kirstie Alley didn't weigh 300 lbs back then . . .

[erictank]

The review numbered III looks to be for IV, actually - that was the "Save The Whales" movie. III was the one where Kirk and friends had to steal the Enterprise to go retrieve Spock from the Genesis planet (running a starship normally crewed by 430 with just the 6 of them), blew up the ship after being ambushed by Christopher Lloyd's Klingon crew, took over their Bird of Prey, and brought the Genesis-revived Spock back to Vulcan.

I give III a C and IV a B, personally. Thought VI was okay, maybe a B-, II was definitely the best of the bunch, a solid A.

[lee n. field]

The review numbered III looks to be for IV, actually - that was the "Save The Whales" movie. III was the one where Kirk and friends had to steal the Enterprise to go retrieve Spock from the Genesis planet (running a starship normally crewed by 430 with just the 6 of them), blew up the ship after being ambushed by Christopher Lloyd's Klingon crew, took over their Bird of Prey, and brought the Genesis-revived Spock back to Vulcan.

I give III a C and IV a B, personally. Thought VI was okay, maybe a B-, II was definitely the best of the bunch, a solid A.

Christopher Lloyd was a Klingon in the movie?   I need to look at that.  Someday.

[roo_ster]

That the one where some wannabe "God" wants a starship?  They all blend together.
 
"where are the deathcamps?"

Heh.

The whole, "Spock rapes her mind with an involuntary mind meld to get the information...and everyone is OK with it" does not suggest a strong ethos for the right if the individual.

[Brad Johnson]

Heh.

The whole, "Spock rapes her mind with an involuntary mind meld to get the information...and everyone is OK with it" does not suggest a strong ethos for the right if the individual.

To paraphrase Freud... "Sometimes a movie is just a movie."  It's okay to take the political filters off from time to time.  Reading a socio-political message into every word or action of a movie made purely for entertainment value does little for a person's attitude, demeanor, or blood pressure.

Brad

[KD5NRH]

They jumped the shark with the third and really haven't seen any of them after that all the way through.

They couldn't even get that right; jumping a pair of whales just isn't the same.

[Brad Johnson]

They could've at least put frikkin laser beams on the whales' foreheads.

Brad

[TommyGunn]

You trekkies do understand that the first ST movie was essentially a bigger-budget remake of "The Changeling", an episode from the original series, right?

What I remember most from Wrath of Khan is that Kirstie Alley didn't weigh 300 lbs back then . . .

No, only about 250lbs.  If you look you can tell she was a little chubby even then.
I always thought Robin Curtis was a better Saavik than Kirstie Alley.

[Angel Eyes]

You trekkies do understand that the first ST movie was essentially a bigger-budget remake of "The Changeling", an episode from the original series, right?

Where Nomad has gone before . . .

[lee n. field]

They couldn't even get that right; jumping a pair of whales just isn't the same.

Hey, don't talk about Nichelle Nicoles that way.

[Ben]

Hey, don't talk about Nichelle Nicoles that way.

She seems like a nice enough lady, but I have to say, that song and dance in the desert routine in V was just embarrassing for everyone.

[roo_ster]

She seems like a nice enough lady, but I have to say, that song and dance in the desert routine in V was just embarrassing for everyone.

Indeed.

Though back in TOS, she was a hottie.  In a miniskirt uniform.  With boots that Nancy Sinatra would appreciate.

[onions!]

She seems like a nice enough lady, but I have to say, that song and dance in the desert routine in V was just embarrassing for everyone.

Funny.I just read that and thought"Uhura was in V?I the old one or the new?Hmm"

Yeah,I know.DUH!