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Clinton offers Olive Branch to Taliban
« on: March 31, 2009, 05:08:18 PM »
Say it aint so. 

http://www.military.com/news/article/March-2009/clinton-offers-olive-branch-to-taliban.html

Clinton Offers Olive Branch to Taliban
 March 31, 2009
Associated Press

THE HAGUE, Netherlands - Afghan President Hamid Karzai and U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton offered an olive branch Tuesday to Taliban fighters who reject al-Qaida and pressed an international conference for help in strengthening Afghanistan's security forces.

More than 80 of Afghanistan's neighboring states or military and financial donors were attending a one-day conference in The Hague to brainstorm about how to stabilize Afghanistan seven years after the expulsion of the Taliban government.

Iran's Deputy Foreign Minister Medhi Akhundzadeh was among the delegates - the first time the U.S. and Iran have met at a conference table since President Barack Obama offered better relations with the Islamic republic. There was no indication that any U.S. envoy would meet privately with the Iranians, and the two countries were separated on opposite ends of the table alphabetically.

Sitting around a horseshoe-shaped table, Clinton said most of the Taliban fighters have allied with anti-government forces "out of desperation" rather than commitment, in a country that has barely made inroads against poverty and lack of development.

Karzai and Clinton said Afghanistan would welcome Taliban fighters who embrace peace and pledge to abide by the Afghan constitution
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Re: Clinton offers Olive Branch to Taliban
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2009, 05:11:33 PM »
KEEP HER!!

Consider it a "peace" offering.






. . . . as in it will be more peaceful over here without her.  :laugh:
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Re: Clinton offers Olive Branch to Taliban
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2009, 08:15:07 PM »
She remains a model for feminists everywhere. =D
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Re: Clinton offers Olive Branch to Taliban
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2009, 08:28:02 PM »
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Karzai and Clinton said Afghanistan would welcome Taliban fighters who embrace peace and pledge to abide by the Afghan constitution

In other words... a big fat "nothing's changed."

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Re: Clinton offers Olive Branch to Taliban
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2009, 10:47:15 PM »
hmm, hilery clinton..... taliban ....... 72 what was that :O

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Re: Clinton offers Olive Branch to Taliban
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2009, 03:19:53 AM »
So it's basically surrender and we'll let you live, not an actual peacenik failure.
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Re: Clinton offers Olive Branch to Taliban
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2009, 05:10:45 AM »
Quote from: MicroBalrog on April 01, 2009, 03:19:53 AM
So it's basically surrender and we'll let you live, not an actual peacenik failure.
^^^What I was thinking.

Spinning stories and headlines is never acceptable in my book.  For instance:  If I say, "I am in utter disbelief, at a lack of words on occasion, that Nazi Germany committed the Holocaust.  And even though history will always remember them for their evil, I hate that I cannot personally go back in time and inform the Jews of Europe so that more could evacuate in time," someone will most likely spin it so it sounds like I said, "I am... a... Nazi... and... I hate... Jews."  I've had it done to me before, and it really pisses me off.  :mad:

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Re: Clinton offers Olive Branch to Taliban
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2009, 07:32:16 AM »
It looks more like an invitation to work for the US.  In other words, "how you treat people doesn't matter...just don't attack US forces and we'll put you on the payroll right alongside Karzai."

I do not view this as a good sign for the US efforts. 
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Re: Clinton offers Olive Branch to Taliban
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2009, 10:24:59 AM »
I was thinking on those same lines when I read the story.
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Re: Clinton offers Olive Branch to Taliban
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2009, 10:26:40 AM »
Quote from: shootinstudent on April 01, 2009, 07:32:16 AM
"...just don't attack US forces and we'll put you on the payroll right alongside Karzai."
Wasn't there a proverb about paying Danegeld?

" . . . if once you have paid him the Danegeld, You never get rid of the Dane."
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Re: Clinton offers Olive Branch to Taliban
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2009, 11:06:58 AM »
Quote from: HankB on April 01, 2009, 10:26:40 AM
Wasn't there a proverb about paying Danegeld?

" . . . if once you have paid him the Danegeld, You never get rid of the Dane."

This is not "paying Danegeld."

This is "If you no longer resist us, and support thegovernment we like, we will not come down and shoot you dead."
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Re: Clinton offers Olive Branch to Taliban
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2009, 01:08:59 PM »
Quote from: MicroBalrog on April 01, 2009, 11:06:58 AM
This is not "paying Danegeld."

This is "If you no longer resist us, and support thegovernment we like, we will not come down and shoot you dead."
Keep an eye on the news to see if they get paid anything.

On the subject of Afghanistan . . . just read that our good friend Karzai signed a law that requires women get permission from their menfolk to leave the house.
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Re: Clinton offers Olive Branch to Taliban
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2009, 01:39:55 PM »
Quote from: HankB on April 01, 2009, 01:08:59 PM
On the subject of Afghanistan . . . just read that our good friend Karzai signed a law that requires women get permission from their menfolk to leave the house.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Re: Clinton offers Olive Branch to Taliban
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2009, 01:42:26 PM »
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^^^What I was thinking.

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Fixed it for you.

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Re: Clinton offers Olive Branch to Taliban
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2009, 08:52:50 PM »
Jerk.  ;/
Quote from: shootinstudent on April 01, 2009, 07:32:16 AM
It looks more like an invitation to work for the US.  In other words, "how you treat people doesn't matter...just don't attack US forces and we'll put you on the payroll right alongside Karzai."
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Karzai and Clinton said Afghanistan would welcome Taliban fighters who embrace peace and pledge to abide by the Afghan constitution.
I guess I just don't see it.  Embracing peace and abiding by a constitution doesn't quite sound like a call for "working for the US."  Sounds more like a call to "work" for Afghanistan.
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Re: Clinton offers Olive Branch to Taliban
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2009, 09:54:49 PM »
Quote from: HankB on April 01, 2009, 01:08:59 PM
Keep an eye on the news to see if they get paid anything.

On the subject of Afghanistan . . . just read that our good friend Karzai signed a law that requires women get permission from their menfolk to leave the house.

In Soviet America, wife give permission to YOU!
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Re: Clinton offers Olive Branch to Taliban
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2009, 10:22:31 PM »
Hopefully it's an olive branch dipped in smallpox...
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Re: Clinton offers Olive Branch to Taliban
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2009, 09:16:50 AM »
Quote from: Dionysusigma on April 02, 2009, 08:52:50 PM
Jerk.  ;/I guess I just don't see it.  Embracing peace and abiding by a constitution doesn't quite sound like a call for "working for the US."  Sounds more like a call to "work" for Afghanistan.

Yeah, embracing peace between the Taliban and Karzai's collection of rapists/drug-dealers/gang members and abiding by a "constitution" that basically re-institutes the Taliban's law is not working for Afghanistan.

Micro, the problem with that theory is that if that option were available and feasible, it would already have been done in the 8 years since 2001.  Offering this deal after 8 years of war indicates that the effort to shoot the bad guys is failing.

It's also nuts that they will be the same bad guys...it's not like the deal is "respect human rights and stop shooting women in the street and we'll let you live."  If that were so, we wouldn't be guarding Karzai.
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Re: Clinton offers Olive Branch to Taliban
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2009, 12:04:42 PM »
I guess I just don't see it.  Embracing peace and abiding by a constitution doesn't quite sound like a call for "working for the US."  Sounds more like a call to "work" for Afghanistan

always a lil odd when the offer comes from another countries leader. makes you wonder who is in charge and who you'll really be working for
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