Author Topic: "You don't normally see a DC-3 from this angle. Good thing, too."  (Read 6569 times)

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This is a great head-on shot of a DC-3 taken at Bend, OR, not long ago.  It is one of those pictures that causes an automatic double- or triple-take.  Read about how the picture was set up and taken, it's an interesting story in itself.
The picture and article are in the "Sightings" section of this month's Air & Space Smithsonian magazine.

We performed a similar maneuver in the CAF B-17G I used crew back in the '80s.  It's a lot of fun, especially if you are standing.  :laugh:
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Re: "You don't normally see a DC-3 from this angle. Good thing, too."
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2010, 04:50:17 PM »
I have absolutely no idea why, but the DC-3 has always been my favorite airplane.  =)
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Re: "You don't normally see a DC-3 from this angle. Good thing, too."
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2010, 05:13:45 PM »
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Re: "You don't normally see a DC-3 from this angle. Good thing, too."
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2010, 05:25:54 PM »
We performed a similar maneuver in the CAF B-17G I used crew back in the '80s.  It's a lot of fun, especially if you are standing.  :laugh:

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Re: "You don't normally see a DC-3 from this angle. Good thing, too."
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2010, 05:49:30 PM »
Brad, I used to crew "Sentimental Journey" out of Falcon Field, Mesa, AZ.  It is the other, much prettier B17 that the Arizona Wing of the CAF owns.
Back then we had a pilot (unfortunately, he later died in a plane crash) that used to perform that maneuver in the "Journey".
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Re: "You don't normally see a DC-3 from this angle. Good thing, too."
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2010, 05:54:45 PM »
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We performed a similar maneuver in the CAF B-17G I used crew back in the '80s.  It's a lot of fun, especially if you are standing.

I take it nobody in your crew has motion sickness issues. ;)

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Re: "You don't normally see a DC-3 from this angle. Good thing, too."
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2010, 06:17:03 PM »
I take it nobody in your crew has motion sickness issues. ;)

It was over with so quickly that motion sickness was never a factor.  But on long flights, some folks got a little queasy if they weren't used to low-'n'-slow through the desert air.   [barf]
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Re: "You don't normally see a DC-3 from this angle. Good thing, too."
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2010, 08:13:52 PM »
I have absolutely no idea why, but the DC-3 has always been my favorite airplane.  =)

Ditto.

For me, it's a combination of having flown home in one when I was 6 months old, when my father was shipped overseas during WW2, and growing up reading Terry and the Pirates. Besides, it's one of those classic designs that just "looks right" -- like a Colt 1873 SAA or M1911, for example.
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Re: "You don't normally see a DC-3 from this angle. Good thing, too."
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2010, 08:33:06 PM »
Dad's job in Thailand, command of the U.S. Navy Advisory Group, included a more or less personal C-47.  Used to enjoy having the flight engineer come aft for a visual engine check as we climbed off the runway, enjoyment my eight year old sister did not at all share.  Our only real adventure with that plane was when the flight crew got a sudden case of the "OH! SHIPS!" when the Royal Thai Navy mistook us for a target drone.  We in the cheap seats got no warning as flares were launched and a diving turn was executed.  Fortunately, we were nowhere near the expected altitude and the AA did no harm.
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Re: "You don't normally see a DC-3 from this angle. Good thing, too."
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2010, 08:34:59 PM »
Your sister would only have to worry if a red light came on near the door, you stood up, and yelled "Three okay!!"

 =D :laugh:
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Re: "You don't normally see a DC-3 from this angle. Good thing, too."
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2010, 09:30:46 PM »
Brad, I used to crew "Sentimental Journey" out of Falcon Field, Mesa, AZ.  It is the other, much prettier B17 that the Arizona Wing of the CAF owns.

Did they ever get Fifi back in the air?  Last I heard (six or seven years ago) she was down for a major structural overhaul.  Something about major problems with the wing spar or some such.

I think Red Nose was down then, too.  Some clown hopped in without checking the maintenance tag and anded up running with no coolant.  Don't know why they'd be grousing what with overhauls on Merlins being the insignificant, cheap things they are. (about $200k last I heard)

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Re: "You don't normally see a DC-3 from this angle. Good thing, too."
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2010, 09:49:17 PM »
http://www.rgvwingcaf.com/museum.html

We used to head down after work and on weekends for BBQ's and beer.... :cool:

I got some rides in some neat stuff thanks to the CAF boys, including at least two of the planes on this page.... :cool: :cool:
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Re: "You don't normally see a DC-3 from this angle. Good thing, too."
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2010, 10:03:00 PM »
Did they ever get Fifi back in the air?  Last I heard (six or seven years ago) she was down for a major structural overhaul.  Something about major problems with the wing spar or some such.

I think Red Nose was down then, too.  Some clown hopped in without checking the maintenance tag and anded up running with no coolant.  Don't know why they'd be grousing what with overhauls on Merlins being the insignificant, cheap things they are. (about $200k last I heard)

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Last I heard is that Fifi is being reengined. To the tune of something like a mil and a quarter. Hope they are putting the P&W Wasp Major engines from the B-50 in instead of the Wright R-3350s they came with originally (which was a wholly unreliable engine in the B-29...causing the loss of many aircraft, including the XB-29.

Edit: Found out she may soon be back in the air. They started the engines last Sept. and are still doing other work. And they did put Wright R-3350s in her, but derated and w/o the superchargers to make them last longer.


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Re: "You don't normally see a DC-3 from this angle. Good thing, too."
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2010, 10:42:46 PM »
Last time I saw Fifi in the air (10  years ago) operating  cost was something like ten grand an hour.

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Re: "You don't normally see a DC-3 from this angle. Good thing, too."
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2010, 11:12:44 PM »
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Wouldn't be thinking of "12 O'clock High", would ya?

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Re: "You don't normally see a DC-3 from this angle. Good thing, too."
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2010, 11:19:43 PM »
Wouldn't be thinking of "12 O'clock High", would ya?

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No, 12 O'Clock High deals with B-17s in the ETO.

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Re: "You don't normally see a DC-3 from this angle. Good thing, too."
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2010, 11:34:59 PM »
It was worth suggesting.  I've misrememberated things before.

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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2010, 11:45:21 PM »
I've misrememberated things before.

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Alzheimers.  Dimentia.  Old age.  Whatever.   =D

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Re: "You don't normally see a DC-3 from this angle. Good thing, too."
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2010, 12:56:50 AM »
You're just not right.   :laugh:

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Re: "You don't normally see a DC-3 from this angle. Good thing, too."
« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2010, 09:21:06 AM »
You're just not right.   :laugh:

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Re: "You don't normally see a DC-3 from this angle. Good thing, too."
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2010, 05:43:24 PM »
I started flying Hummers (Marine Super-DC3 with, IIRC, 1,700 SHP supercharged engines) in Chu Lai in 1968. One night the duty driver awaoke me in my tent and said The Group CO wants you at the line in your flight gear." I groggily went down to the flight line, got my g-suit, torso harness and survival vest and reported to the duty officer, who kind of snickered and told me I wouldn't need anything but my self and flight suit. It was 0230. Just then the Colonel came in and said "You're my copilot for a flare drop mission. Let's go." We walked out to the Hummer, preflighted, climbed aboard and I took the copilot seat. Colonel New did the start, taxi, takeoff, and set it up in a climb; then he said "You've got the aircraft" and went aft and laid down to sleep.

The Gunny and I figured out where we were and what we had to do, and we started talking to grunts on the ground who were engaged in a firefight and needed some of the 1,500 M45 flares we had aboard. We dropped a bunch and had to RTB at dawn. Colonel New came up fresh from a three-hour "nap" and coached me through my first-ever tail-dragger landing. I eventually flew about 500 hours in Hummers in that and two subsequent tours in WestPac.

I would never associate that picture of a Hummer in a near-vertical (apparent) attitude. Hummers don't do vertical, believe me.

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Re: "You don't normally see a DC-3 from this angle. Good thing, too."
« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2010, 06:43:01 PM »
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Re: "You don't normally see a DC-3 from this angle. Good thing, too."
« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2010, 10:01:53 PM »
Oh, I bet they can do it nose down  :O

If nose down counts, I can "fly" too.  =D
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Re: "You don't normally see a DC-3 from this angle. Good thing, too."
« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2010, 10:14:37 PM »
Is this the beast, Leatherneck?




I was privileged to ride in one of these in Sept. 1977 from Stumps to Luke AFB west of Phoenix.  It was a USMC(R) bird out of Phoenix, but I don't know if it was this one as I didn't get the tail number.

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Re: "You don't normally see a DC-3 from this angle. Good thing, too."
« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2010, 10:19:43 PM »
What did Uncle Salty's Misguided Children do to the vertical stabilizer?  ???

I've never seen that modification before...
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