Substandard victim selection process

[RocketMan]

Another example of a poor victim selection process.  Or maybe a badly thought out robbing process.
In any event, a man tried to rob a gun store with a baseball bat.  It didn't work out quite the way he had hoped.

[230RN]

 Peace through inferior batpower.

[just Warren]

If Obama had a son...

[Fly320s]

If Obama had a son...

He would get his guns from the ATF, like Mexican drug dealers.

[vaskidmark]

Derrick Mosley owes me a new keyboard!

One of the smaller LGS aound here has installed a new anti-theft device - from the outside the door opens by pushing on it.  To get out you need staff to buzz you out through the electronic lock.  Big sign telling folks to "WAIT FOR BUZZ BEFORE OPENING DOOR".  Since putting it in they have already had one person break a toe trying to kick the door open (it pulls open to exit) to get out.  He was just impatient, not a thief.  I want to see the tape when they get a thief caught between the door and  the counter staff (at lest two on duty at all times) armed with Serbu shortys.

stay safe.

[RoadKingLarry]

I refer to such events as "catastrophic failure of the victim selection process" when the intended victim manages to terminate the perp. I guess for this one it would need to have "near" added as the 1st word.

[Perd Hapley]

...a man tried to rob a gun store with a baseball bat...

Choice. What is it that's so refreshing about stupid, incompetent criminals?

[Matthew Carberry]

Choice. What is it that's so refreshing about stupid, incompetent criminals?

Its almost banal now. A decade ago or so a guy walked past black and whites with light bars into a gun store to try to hold it up. As I recall he got ventilated with a 10mm, can't recall if it was the owner or one of the cops.

[AmbulanceDriver]

Its almost banal now. A decade ago or so a guy walked past black and whites with light bars into a gun store to try to hold it up. As I recall he got ventilated with a 10mm, can't recall if it was the owner or one of the cops.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/dumdum/gunshop.asp

[Perd Hapley]

http://www.snopes.com/crime/dumdum/gunshop.asp

Shot 23 times! Stupid kills!

Sorry. Snopes said he was only shot 4 times. Although 4 is only enough to be too many for one's health, it would seem. Stupid still kills.

[lee n. field]

http://www.snopes.com/crime/dumdum/gunshop.asp

The Snopes story itself suffers from a bit of "gun journalism by the ignorant" syndrome.

[Perd Hapley]

The Snopes story itself suffers from a bit of "gun journalism by the ignorant" syndrome.

What makes you say that? The .38-caliber automatic?

[lee n. field]

What makes you say that? The .38-caliber automatic?

That, and picturing a revolver when they talk about the ".38-caliber automatic".

And

It's unclear how many shots were fired, in part because some of the suspect's shots struck ammunition on the counter, causing the ammunition to explode.

[Perd Hapley]

That, and picturing a revolver when they talk about the ".38-caliber automatic".

That's not ignorance. That's just one of those stock bits of clip art (sometimes stock photos) that end up on gun-related stories. They're not saying it was the gun that was used.

[TommyGunn]

What makes you say that? The .38-caliber automatic?

That, and picturing a revolver when they talk about the ".38-caliber automatic".

And

.38 Super, anyone?

[French G.]

I like the shots hitting ammo in the counter and causing it to explode.

[RocketMan]

I like the shots hitting ammo in the counter and causing it to explode.

They were probably using a little poetic license (read: hyperbole) to describe the box rupturing from being shot, and scattering rounds all over the place.

[BlueStarLizzard]

I'm guessing that it is possible to set of a cartridge by shooting it, although I'm not sure of the angle needed to cause the primer to go off?

But I can understand the hyperbole. If someone came and shot boxes of my ammo and sends it flying all over the room I'll kick their bums from here to next year. I hate crawling around on my hands and knees collecting ammo that's been scattered. There's always one round that you just can't find till a few days later when you step on it with bare feet first thing in the morning.

[Regolith]

I'm guessing that it is possible to set of a cartridge by shooting it, although I'm not sure of the angle needed to cause the primer to go off?

People have tried shooting primers to make them go off. Generally doesn't work. The bullets move too fast; by the time the primer has a chance to detonate, it's already been pushed clear of the case and gunpowder.

Now, a fragment that's going much slower might do it. I actually saw it happen once. Someone shot a steel target with a .22, the .22 shattered and sprayed lead downward, and one fragment hit a live cartridge that was sitting under the target for some odd reason, setting it off.

[RoadKingLarry]

What makes you say that? The .38-caliber automatic?

I have seen and handled a .38 Special auto loader it was a  Colt 1911. I was told by the owner that it was part of a special run for the Air Force marksmanship team. The guy was probably in his late 60s early 70s when he showed it to me. Then of course .38 super is a pretty common caliber for auto loaders.

[Bob F.]

Da' Sheriff was in LGS today. Told him about the ball bat incident. "Only thing I worry about in here is crossfire!"

[AJ Dual]

One LGS, since remodeled, had a doorway that went from the back counter area into their offices and gunsmithing areas. I got to go back there for some help with a really bad stuck case situation (Don't shoot soft brass +p+ 9mm ammo in an HK fluted chamber, the fire-forming is a bitch...)

And I noticed a SBS right above the other side of the door jamb on pegs, right where you might naturally raise your arms in a stickup... 

[BlueStarLizzard]

People have tried shooting primers to make them go off. Generally doesn't work. The bullets move too fast; by the time the primer has a chance to detonate, it's already been pushed clear of the case and gunpowder.

Now, a fragment that's going much slower might do it. I actually saw it happen once. Someone shot a steel target with a .22, the .22 shattered and sprayed lead downward, and one fragment hit a live cartridge that was sitting under the target for some odd reason, setting it off.

Yeah, I was thinking that to shoot it intentionally to make it go off, you'd have to hit it indirectly so that the force of the bullets passing would generate enough power to set the primer off, without decimating the whole cartridge.

It seems the kind of thing that 1 in a Billion could have it happen intentionally once, and the rest of the time, it would be a really freak acciedent.

(on a side note: why is it fun to run the hypothetical for causing extreamly improbable events?)

[AJ Dual]

Also, bullets that do go off unconfined, it's hard to tell the difference than the damage and scattering being shot without detonating would do anyway. Plastic shotshells are even worse, they usually just perforate out the side of the plastic hull and go nowhere at all.

The average fps for an unconfined detonation is usually around 300fps, with the case usually doing the flying, since it masses much less than the bullet in most calibers.

I uh also have first hand experience... I crushed a live .22LR by slamming my safe door on it, and it actually hit my leg, it was like an Airsoft hit.   

While shooting a primer and actually setting it off might be a million to one event, I can say that small pistol primers fit nicely into .177 airguns, and engage the rifling just enough to spin them so they hit a brick wall or steel plate cup first, and make a nice "bang" when they hit. 

[BlueStarLizzard]

Also, bullets that do go off unconfined, it's hard to tell the difference than the damage and scattering being shot without detonating would do anyway. Plastic shotshells are even worse, they usually just perforate out the side of the plastic hull and go nowhere at all.

The average fps for an unconfined detonation is usually around 300fps, with the case usually doing the flying, since it masses much less than the bullet in most calibers.

I uh also have first hand experience... I crushed a live .22LR by slamming my safe door on it, and it actually hit my leg, it was like an Airsoft hit.   

While shooting a primer and actually setting it off might be a million to one event, I can say that small pistol primers fit nicely into .177 airguns, and engage the rifling just enough to spin them so they hit a brick wall or steel plate cup first, and make a nice "bang" when they hit. 

One fact that ruins a lot lot of otherwise good/fun movies for me.