Healing the rift between police and the public

[Battle Monkey of Zardoz]

The problem with Battle Monkey's list is that police get suspended all the time if there is any hint of misconduct including false accusations. Would you allow local activists to depopulate your police force due to inflexible rules designed for the worst case?

The w/o pay issue is somewhat misleading.  A lot of police don't make a lot money on base pay.  They get up to decent money with overtime.  When they are suspended they get no OT. 

If you are going to put all these rules on police, you had better be prepared to pay higher salaries to get people to take the job. 

I hear McDonalds is always hiring.

[RoadKingLarry]

Add to the false persecution bit the false accusers. Accuse someone of rape or??? and get it proven false the liar goes up for a rape sentence equal to what their intended victim might have gotten.

[MicroBalrog]

Add to the false persecution bit the false accusers. Accuse someone of rape or??? and get it proven false the liar goes up for a rape sentence equal to what their intended victim might have gotten.

Remember that a "not guilty" verdict is not the same as proving the accusation false.

[MechAg94]

I hear McDonalds is always hiring.

If your goal is to fix the issue, that isn't the way to go.  You will just insure that EVERY cop is a power trip guy or on the take.  If you want to get rid of police all together, I wouldn't do it that way. 

[Tallpine]

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If you are going to put all these rules on police, you had better be prepared to pay higher salaries to get people to take the job. 

Fewer laws enforced by fewer cops making more money works for me 

[MechAg94]

Fewer laws enforced by fewer cops making more money works for me 

Yes, fewer, simpler laws would go a long way in the right direction.  The cops won't change until our Govt does.

Some of the old wartime sailing books mentioned they read the laws of war to the crew weekly.  They apparently weren't very long.  Made me think our military law and civilian law has gotten way out of hand. 

[roo_ster]

Yes, fewer, simpler laws would go a long way in the right direction.  The cops won't change until our Govt does.

Some of the old wartime sailing books mentioned they read the laws of war to the crew weekly.  They apparently weren't very long.  Made me think our military law and civilian law has gotten way out of hand. 

That is only because they have gotten way out of hand.

[Balog]

Add to the false persecution bit the false accusers. Accuse someone of rape or??? and get it proven false the liar goes up for a rape sentence equal to what their intended victim might have gotten.

Which would lead to no women ever reporting when they've been raped.

[TommyGunn]

Which would lead to no women ever reporting when lying  they've been raped.

FIFY 

[Balog]

FIFY 

No, you really haven't. It's difficult enough to convince rape victims to bring charges as it is.

[TommyGunn]

No, you really haven't. It's difficult enough to convince rape victims to bring charges as it is.

Tough cookies.   That is NOT a license for any woman to lie about it.   
And don't start whining about how blippin' "unfair" to the wimmins -- been there done all that years ago.

[Balog]

Tough cookies.   That is NOT a license for any woman to lie about it.   
And don't start whining about how blippin' "unfair" to the wimmins -- been there done all that years ago.

That's one of the stupidest things I've ever read. I truly feel sorry for any women unfortunate enough to have you as a part of their life.

By the nature of the crime, rape is exceedingly difficult to prove in the majority of cases. If you hold the explicit threat of jail time up for any woman who reported it, then all you would be doing is legalizing rape as no woman would risk reporting it.

There are already laws for falsifying a police report. Why would you single out rape as a special case to threaten the victim?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

There is a problem
http://www.falserape.net/liesandrape.htm

Linda Fairstein, a former head of the sex-crimes unit of the Manhattan District Attorney's office, has criticized the doctrinaire belief that women never lie. Writing in Cosmopolitan magazine, Fairstein quoted FBI statistics on unfounded claims of forcible rape. These reports, she wrote, occur at rates as high as 9%, compared to between 1.5% and 5% of reports submitted in all other criminal categories. She continued,

"Having worked in this field for decades, I've found this phenomenon especially painful to witness. Innocent men are arrested and even imprisoned as a result of bogus claims, and the precious resources of criminal justice agencies are wasted..[T]hese falsehoods trivialize the experience of every rape survivor." 2

A June 3, 2004, Washington Post article titled "Sexual Assaults in Army on Rise" reported the results of a five year study of reports of abuse. The number of "unfounded" cases tripled from 48 to 157 between 1999 and 2003. An Army spokeswoman could not explain why. It is time to find out.

Every allegation is different, and appearances often deceive. Certain indicators should be investigated in order to separate truthful allegations from fabricated ones. Primary motives for false reports, which are not uncommon, include a) Jealousy or Revenge; b) Need for an Alibi; and c) Emotional Problems/Desire for Attention. None of these should be a surprise.


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[roo_ster]

CSD:

A buddy who worked child sex crimes told me that as the child gets closer to the age of majority/consent, the higher the probability that a claim is bogus.  Getting up to 50% at the top end.  Between the horrifying no-bull crimes and the false reports, he left skid marks out of that unit when he was able to get out.

I would be surprised if adult vs adult rape false reports were as low as 9%.  Or gratified, given hard data.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

It's truly an awkward spot with potential to victimize both genders.
I have seen and heard some real screwed up stuff.


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[cassandra and sara's daddy]

The mcmartin preschool case is a great example of innocent people being victimized . For the cash


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[charby]

Even a liberal leaning newpaper is calling the cops out.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/editorials/2014/10/04/register-editorial-highway-robbery/16746907/

[Tuco]

That's one of the stupidest things I've ever read. I truly feel sorry for any women unfortunate enough to have you as a part of their life.

By the nature of the crime, rape is exceedingly difficult to prove in the majority of cases. If you hold the explicit threat of jail time up for any woman who reported it, then all you would be doing is legalizing rape as no woman would risk reporting it.

There are already laws for falsifying a police report. Why would you single out rape as a special case to threaten the victim?

Your naivety isn't as cute as it used to be.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Another story
http://www.npr.org/2011/07/29/138816111/weekly-standard-the-feminine-lie-mystique


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[Ben]

From the local liberal rag, related to the new CA sexual consent law about "Yes means yes". Frankly, if I were in my 20's and in college now, I would be celibate or have a good porn subscription.

http://www.independent.com/news/2014/oct/02/sex-and-rape-isla-vista/

[Balog]

Your naivety isn't as cute as it used to be.

I will surely cry myself to sleep over some guy on the internet not thinking I'm cute.

Rape is a difficult issue to address. Everyone agrees it's a crime, but it's very difficult to prosecute under the best circumstances and there certainly always is a danger of false accusations. I don't think threatening rape victims with prosecution is a good idea.

Serious question: have any of you people actually worked with rape victims? I guarantee you, having a law that replicates the existing false reporting laws but specifically name checks rape would accomplish nothing other than deterring the vast majority of women who are raped from reporting it.

[Tuco]

I will surely cry myself to sleep over some guy on the internet not thinking I'm cute.

You, you're an ugly cuss, I was referring to your naivety.
 

[Balog]

You, you're an ugly cuss, I was referring to your naivety.
 

It would be the height of naivety to think that the sort of people who would make fake rape accusation would be deterred from adding (a redundant) law threatening penalties for fake accusations. Serious question here, do you have any experience working with sexual assault victims? The women who are going to make fake accusation are going to do it no matter how many times you make it double extra sooper illegal. The legitimate victims, however, are going to be heavily deterred.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

In effect there is no legal penalty now for false accusers

[Balog]

In effect there is no legal penalty now for false accusers

So enforce existing laws, instead of adding redundant new laws that have unintended consequences.