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Re: EPA run amok
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2010, 12:08:13 PM »
I've got another idea...EPA institutes regs restricting all these "pollutants," and creates a fine structure for violators.  They carefully draft this fine system so that it's less expensive to pay the fine than it is to actually fix the problem (which, as described above, is prohibitively expensive, or impossible).  EPA collects millions, maybe billions in fines, and Obama and Co. waive the income as a sollution to all problems, thus fixing the budget deficit and saving the economy.   [barf]
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Re: EPA run amok
« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2010, 12:31:22 PM »
The main toxin in the U.S. today is big government, with big business close behind. 
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Re: EPA run amok
« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2010, 12:37:19 PM »
I've often wondered . . . exactly what enforcement power does EPA have over states? Can they actually do anything beyond - maybe - having certain Federal funds cut off?
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Re: EPA run amok
« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2010, 12:48:53 PM »
I've often wondered . . . exactly what enforcement power does EPA have over states? Can they actually do anything beyond - maybe - having certain Federal funds cut off?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/aug/25/texas-fights-global-warming-power-grab/?page=1

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Now Washington is trying to federalize the air-permitting process and force Texas to ignore our state laws and the plain language of the Clean Air Act in order to allow an illegal rewriting of the federal statute.

The article is about the EPA's fight with Texas over allowing the EPA to regulate carbon-dioxide.
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If lead bullets are banned, then I guess I will need to send all mine to the govt for disposal  ;)
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All they need to do is bury a law change for the EPA in the next mega bill that gets sent to the president, just like all the new taxes in the health care bill.  Let's say, one half of page 21,501 in a 27,000 page bill says that the sale, manufacture or possession of all lead products is banned.  Then they "find" this little nugget 6 months to a year after passage of the bill.   Then what?  The damage is done and it will take another 18+ months to remove that piece of tripe, if it can be removed.  After all, who wants to be known as the senator that removed a law that protected the children from the dangers of lead poisoning?  Remember, the "Assault Weapons Ban" only went away because nobody made a move to make it permanent.  If the Senate and Congress had to create legislation to make it go away we would still have it, not enough of them would have had the backbone to get rid of it.

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All they need to do is bury a law change for the EPA in the next mega bill that gets sent to the president, just like all the new taxes in the health care bill.  Let's say, one half of page 21,501 in a 27,000 page bill says that the sale, manufacture or possession of all lead products is banned.  Then they "find" this little nugget 6 months to a year after passage of the bill.   Then what?  The damage is done and it will take another 18+ months to remove that piece of tripe, if it can be removed.  After all, who wants to be known as the senator that removed a law that protected the children from the dangers of lead poisoning?  Remember, the "Assault Weapons Ban" only went away because nobody made a move to make it permanent.  If the Senate and Congress had to create legislation to make it go away we would still have it, not enough of them would have had the backbone to get rid of it.

Yep. The bureaucrats in the EPA can custom craft what they want for legislation and send it to Congress, which in the rush to enlarge government, will rubberstamp it and pass it into law.

 

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Re: EPA run amok
« Reply #32 on: August 27, 2010, 04:48:53 PM »
I've often wondered . . . exactly what enforcement power does EPA have over states? Can they actually do anything beyond - maybe - having certain Federal funds cut off?
The problem I bet is the law is so vague and general that it might allow too much interpretation. 
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Re: EPA topics merged
« Reply #33 on: August 27, 2010, 06:18:48 PM »
It looks like the EPA backed down on the lead ammo hunting ban.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/27/epa-rejects-calls-ban-lead-ammo-fishing-tackle/

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All they need to do is bury a law change for the EPA in the next mega bill that gets sent to the presiden

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Re: EPA topics merged
« Reply #36 on: August 28, 2010, 11:35:50 AM »
Seeker seems to have missed my post 2 posts down with a link already stating that the ban had been rejected...

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Re: EPA topics merged
« Reply #37 on: August 28, 2010, 11:53:13 AM »
Seeker seems to have missed my post 2 posts down with a link already stating that the ban had been rejected...

Yes you did....but I said it with more style......  :cool:




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...if we had anyone with the backbone to play it....  ;/


And why do you think is it that Republican politicians have less of a backbone than Dem politicians (if indeed that is true)?
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And why do you think is it that Republican politicians have less of a backbone than Dem politicians (if indeed that is true)?

Because they're all politicians.....
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Re: EPA topics merged
« Reply #41 on: August 29, 2010, 09:25:53 AM »

I guess I need to buy some of that fancy Barnes solid copper stuff.  The ones that don't expand at all and are meant for African big game.  Rhino, African Wild ass and such.  Or maybe they'd prefer I stocked up on tungsten cores.

I see what you did there.
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A game two can play but none should play.

That line has already been crossed.
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That line has already been crossed.

This.

It took parliamentary skulduggery to pass much of the architecture of the oppressive state.  It will require more of same to restore some liberty.

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Re: EPA topics merged
« Reply #46 on: August 30, 2010, 04:41:52 PM »
Headline: "EPA Surrenders to NRA on Gun Control Issue"

I'm so glad there's no bias in their reporting.  ;/



I'm just surpised they were honest that it was a blatant attempt at gun control.

They slipped up there.
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Re: EPA topics merged
« Reply #47 on: September 01, 2010, 03:36:22 AM »
Headline: "EPA Surrenders to NRA on Gun Control Issue"

I'm so glad there's no bias in their reporting.  ;/



So, which part of it is not true?

And why is the EPA surrendering to NRA bad? I'd think you'd want them to be doing as much surrendering as humanly possible.
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Re: EPA topics merged
« Reply #48 on: September 01, 2010, 05:28:19 PM »
So, which part of it is not true?

And why is the EPA surrendering to NRA bad? I'd think you'd want them to be doing as much surrendering as humanly possible.

It's not bad, but you'll notice the way they use words and such to make it seem as the Big, Evil NRA uses overwhelming force against the poor innocent little EPA, who was just tryin' to help the animals....

That's why they used the word "surrender". That's why they use gun cliches when writing "articles".
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Re: EPA topics merged
« Reply #49 on: September 02, 2010, 01:36:56 AM »
It's not bad, but you'll notice the way they use words and such to make it seem as the Big, Evil NRA uses overwhelming force against the poor innocent little EPA, who was just tryin' to help the animals....

That's why they used the word "surrender". That's why they use gun cliches when writing "articles".
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