Somes folks should not be in Police work...

[BlueStarLizzard]

i shouldn't read threads like this. they have a tendancy to make me feel physicaly ill. i'm with mike, there is no way in hell i could make it as a cop if i had to cover for officiers who did crap like this.

yet another reason why there are so many burnouts amoung the good cops that castle key spoke of i bet.

[K Frame]

Very interesting!

If you read the account in the Philadelphia Inquirer, it indicates that the officer's son had a handgun with him, for which he supposedly had a CCW. He didn't draw it or flash it during the encounter.

It also says that the driver of the car had a handgun in his glovebox and has a CCW, but also did not draw it or flash it during either encounter.

So, it would appear that the ONLY one who used his gun inappropriately was the police officer. According to all of the anti-gun bedwetters, police officers are the ONLY people who can be trusted to carry/use firearms responsibly.

I feel so much safer...

[Nitrogen]

This kind of stuff is precicely why I decided not to change careers to go into law enforcement.  The more I looked into it, the more of this kind of stuff I saw.

The thing that sickens me more is that for every story you read like this, there are 50 that you are NOT reading.  This comes directly from a family member who's an ex cop.

[MechAg94]

This kind of stuff is precicely why I decided not to change careers to go into law enforcement.  The more I looked into it, the more of this kind of stuff I saw.

The thing that sickens me more is that for every story you read like this, there are 50 that you are NOT reading.  This comes directly from a family member who's an ex cop.

At the very least, this certainly wasn't the first time this particular cop used his badge for his own self interest. 

[Nightfall]

Very interesting!

If you read the account in the Philadelphia Inquirer, it indicates that the officer's son had a handgun with him, for which he supposedly had a CCW. He didn't draw it or flash it during the encounter.

It also says that the driver of the car had a handgun in his glovebox and has a CCW, but also did not draw it or flash it during either encounter.

So, it would appear that the ONLY one who used his gun inappropriately was the police officer. According to all of the anti-gun bedwetters, police officers are the ONLY people who can be trusted to carry/use firearms responsibly.

I feel so much safer...

But... but... the antis keep telling me that if everyone has a gun, these situations will just escalate into wild west shootouts...  :rolleyes:

[LadySmith]

According to all of the anti-gun bedwetters, police officers are the ONLY people who can be trusted to carry/use firearms responsibly.

I feel so much safer...

Another story surfaces to prove your point:

http://apnews.myway.com//article/20090722/D99JMQRO3.html

Jul 22, 3:50 PM (ET)
AURORA, Colo. (AP) - A Denver police officer has been charged with felony menacing for allegedly brandishing his gun at a McDonald's restaurant after getting tired of waiting for his food. Derrick Curtis, 29, Saunders also face charges of prohibited use of a weapon, reckless endangerment and disorderly conduct.
An employee at the Aurora restaurant told investigators that two Denver police officers were waiting for their food at the drive-through window May 21 when one grew impatient and pulled his gun.
No one was injured.
Denver police spokesman Sonny Jackson told The Denver Post that Saunders had been suspended with pay and would be put on unpaid leave once the department is formally notified of the charges.
There was no answer Monday at a phone number listed for Derrick Saunders.

[Antibubba]

An Internal Affairs investigation found no misconduct among officers who spoke with the clerk about the tape. But it concluded that Lopez had verbally abused Lawless, had jammed his gun into her face and had violated departmental procedures that night.

IA was not shown direct audio or video evidence the officers did such a thing, and since the word of a citizen is never to be trusted over that of a DELETED,  the matter was dropped.


...it needed to be said.  There are police officers, and there are DELETED, and as long as the first set continues to protect the second, there will be no difference in the eyes of the public.

EDIT: There is no doubt that this police officer is a bad apple, but we don't use those kinds of derogatory terms on APS.

[crt360]

What's sad is that if the police departments quit sweeping their dirt under the rug and really punished the "few" bad cops, the amount of respect they would gain from the public could be enormous . . . and they fail to understand that, or worse, they understand it but don't care enough to do anything about it.

[HankB]

Jul 22, 3:50 PM (ET)
AURORA, Colo. (AP) - A Denver police officer has been charged with felony menacing for allegedly brandishing his gun at a McDonald's restaurant after getting tired of waiting for his food. Derrick Curtis, 29, Saunders also face charges of prohibited use of a weapon, reckless endangerment and disorderly conduct.

Thank you for posting a story showing that in some places, these incidents are handled properly.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

these stories make me appreciate the sheriffs dept here.

[detritus]

We have a Judge Lawless in the local circuit court, which amuses me,

Yeah, the sheriff in a litlte town just down the road from me is named Robin Rape   :rolleyes:  now THAT is an ironic name for a cheif LEO!

[AZRedhawk44]

Jul 22, 3:50 PM (ET)
AURORA, Colo. (AP) - A Denver police officer has been charged with felony menacing for allegedly brandishing his gun at a McDonald's restaurant after getting tired of waiting for his food. Derrick Curtis, 29, Saunders also face charges of prohibited use of a weapon, reckless endangerment and disorderly conduct.
An employee at the Aurora restaurant told investigators that two Denver police officers were waiting for their food at the drive-through window May 21 when one grew impatient and pulled his gun.
No one was injured.
Denver police spokesman Sonny Jackson told The Denver Post that Saunders had been suspended with pay and would be put on unpaid leave once the department is formally notified of the charges.
There was no answer Monday at a phone number listed for Derrick Saunders.

Obviously didn't get his "Liter-a-Cola," or they spit in his burger. :rolleyes:

Again... the first story didn't get RAPE when if one of the non-sainted-badged-ones like us did the same thing, it'd be rape.

The second story didn't get ASSAULT when if one of the non-sainted-badged-ones like us did the same thing, it'd be assault + an automatic 5 years for operation Exile due to felony crime with firearm.

Distinct double standard on the part of the DA's involved and judges as well.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Again... the first story didn't get RAPE when if one of the non-sainted-badged-ones like us did the same thing, it'd be rape.

nope   not even close

[Berettababe]

Again... the first story didn't get RAPE when if one of the non-sainted-badged-ones like us did the same thing, it'd be rape.

nope   not even close

Cass daddy- if you used the quote function properly, I would be able to understand what I'm replying to. Since you can bold his text, putting it in quote tags can't be that hard for you.

Are you saying that cops aren't held to a seperate standard, especially when minorities are considered? Or are you agreeing with the person you seem to be quoting?

Your lack of clarity almost seems deliberate.. but I can't put my finger on it yet.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

sorry !  good point.i see my mistake. i was saying that no way anyone would be charged with rape in that particular case .  they would face the same charges the cop did.

[MechAg94]

Yeah, the sheriff in a litlte town just down the road from me is named Robin Rape   :rolleyes:  now THAT is an ironic name for a cheif LEO!

We must be in the same general area.  I see those campaign signs a lot around work.

[detritus]

We must be in the same general area.  I see those campaign signs a lot around work.

He's the LEO for Jones Creek, TX.  I'm in Lake Jackson, you work in the Chem/petro industry?

[roo_ster]

these stories make me appreciate the sheriffs dept here.

Yep, I sure do appreciate the good departments. 

When the LEOs from the local cop shop says "Sir" and "Thank you" and treats folks with respect on a regular basis & such respect for the citizenry is seen from different officers, its going to take more than a baseless accusation to believe they have done wrong.  Gonna have to prove it to me, 'cause I've seen them act like decent folk act.

OTOH, when the LEOs from another shop might as well have "ATTITUDE" carved into their buzz-cuts, are accused of being abusive currs, I am not so generous.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

yup  when we lost a deputy around here folks did the old take food to the cop shop thing. like you would for a friend that had lost a loved one. the school kids raised money for canine vests. our top cop rolls on drunk in public calls. shows up anywhere and everywhere. he personally fired a guy a while back who lost his head and slapped his g/f.  not in a week or a month but that night .   did i mention no union?

[Balog]

Yep, I sure do appreciate the good departments. 

When the LEOs from the local cop shop says "Sir" and "Thank you" and treats folks with respect on a regular basis & such respect for the citizenry is seen from different officers, its going to take more than a baseless accusation to believe they have done wrong.  Gonna have to prove it to me, 'cause I've seen them act like decent folk act.

OTOH, when the LEOs from another shop might as well have "ATTITUDE" carved into their buzz-cuts, are accused of being abusive currs, I am not so generous.

Yup. Just cause you've got a badge don't make you special. If I can be nice to the effing hajjis after they kill my friends you can treat everyone with respect.

yup  when we lost a deputy around here folks did the old take food to the cop shop thing. like you would for a friend that had lost a loved one. the school kids raised money for canine vests. our top cop rolls on drunk in public calls. shows up anywhere and everywhere. he personally fired a guy a while back who lost his head and slapped his g/f.  not in a week or a month but that night .   did i mention no union?

Yep. I wonder if the cops would think it odd if I called them to see what kind of union they have?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

we have a sheriff who started when he was 17 as a police explorer  went to college for all the right degrees and keeps up with his education and encourages his guys to. he makes it look easy. odd thing is these guys pump iron together keep getting bigger and bigger.not a bad thing

[BrokenPaw]

If I can be nice to the effing hajjis after they kill my friends you can treat everyone with respect.

Quoted for ironic poignancy.

Either your wit is dryer than mine and I've missed the humor here, or perhaps your statement could be rephrased.

-BP

[Balog]

Quoted for ironic poignancy.

Either your wit is dryer than mine and I've missed the humor here, or perhaps your statement could be rephrased.

-BP

My point was that while I may have greatly disliked the people I dealt with, I treated them well. I don't really care if cops like the citizens in their district or think they are useless scum. I care how they treat them. My dislike for the Iraqis I dealt with only underscores the point.

Fyi, I was in a former Sunni, Baath party stronghold. A charming combination of the naturally wonderful Iraqi culture combined with years of being treated as ubermensch cause Saddam was their homeboy. Many of the people I dealt with did not deserve the politeness I showed them. I'm sure many of the people cops in bad areas deal with are vile criminals, but they need to be treated respectfully whether they deserve it or not.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

i think part of the problem is the length of time they have deal with societys less desireable.  it wears em down

[Balog]

i think part of the problem is the length of time they have deal with societys less desireable.  it wears em down

Most child molesters were abused themselves. Doesn't excuse their behaviour. I don't know what cops need to do to pull their heads out and start acting right, but whatever it is they need to make it a priority rfn. Needs to start from the top down.