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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ben on March 24, 2021, 09:17:28 AM
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A container ship is blocking the Suez Canal. It might be a few days before they pull it out.
This was interesting to me because when I was still with the G, and right after 9/11, I was part of a tabletop exercise regarding terrorists blowing a ship just inside the port of LA/LB, and the ensuing dominoes. In that exercise, it took a month to clear the port, and there was a cascade reaction that left stores stripped of goods in the middle of the country within a couple of weeks.
I'm not super familiar with what goes in and out of the Suez, but guessing it won't have a super big effect on things, especially in only a few days, but it will be interesting to watch.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/03/24/photos-suez-canal-blocked-by-giant-container-ship-could-be-stuck-for-days/
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It'll have a much bigger effect on Europe. We don't bet much through the Suez.
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It'll have a much bigger effect on Europe. We don't bet much through the Suez.
Anything that effects Europe has a ripple effect on us. There are times I think the world is too darn interconnected.
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I was going to say that oil prices will probably rise, just based on speculation that the oil supply will be affected. Then I found this article, dated yesterday, that says oil prices are falling in the US due to high inventory. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Oil-Prices-Fall-Further-After-API-Reports-Crude-Inventory-Build.html
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-56505413
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Biden’s people did it to demonstrate how powerful the wind can be. Been through the ditch probably fifteen times. Always fascinating but wouldn’t want to be there if hostilities commenced.
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Someone's getting told "You had one job."
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Someone's getting told "You had one job."
Usually one "aw *expletive deleted*it" cancels out ten "attaboys". I'm guessing this will have a different ratio. =D
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Steering casualties are not uncommon. I have corked around for a day while they fixed one.
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Steering casualties are not uncommon. I have corked around for a day while they fixed one.
For a while there back in CA, we had ships floating dead in the water in the shipping lanes because of a new CA clean fuel law at the time. The ships had to switch from whatever dirtier bunker fuel they used to the cleaner CA fuel as they entered state waters, and I guess a lot of the older ships had problems with restarts and would bob around for several hours to more than a day before they got the engines going again.
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Scuttlebutt on InstaTwitFace is they were trying to turn the ship and the rudder got stuck.
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On the plus side there's plenty of land right next to it from which they can rig winches and lines to drag the bow and stern back into the center of the channel.
They should probably keep that gear on hand going forward into future too; mechanical failures are just a when, not an if.
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Maybe they could use mineral oil.
Always works for my blockages.
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Maybe they could use mineral oil.
Always works for my blockages.
The supertanker with the mineral oil is backed up
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WTI's up $3.35 a barrel right now.
Because as everyone knows, the US gets West Texas Intermediate through the Suez Canal...
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And the Canal is unblocked and the vessel under tow.
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WTI's up $3.35 a barrel right now.
Because as everyone knows, the US gets West Texas Intermediate through the Suez Canal...
They take the scenic route.
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Joe Hazelwood just gets a new Captain's job and then this happens to him . . .
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Imagine being some hapless Sri Lankan crewman transiting the ditch when Israel decides the world needs more speed bumps in the Suez.
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Nothing says SPIKE THOSE OIL PRICES IT'S A GLOBAL POCK-O-LIPS! like a 4 hour shipping interruption...
*expletive deleted*ing idiots.
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Nothing says SPIKE THOSE OIL PRICES IT'S A GLOBAL POCK-O-LIPS! like a 4 hour shipping interruption...
*expletive deleted*ing idiots.
Apparently, prices are down:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/asia-stocks-look-mixed-u-232646780.html
Some are blaming the stuck ship for the drop in Bitcoin, but that drop started a couple days sooner:
https://www.bitcoinvalue.com/currencies/bitcoin/
Looks like the captain was trying to draw something, just like NAVY fighter pilots do:
(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article23787940.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_the-captain-of-this-Suez-ship-is-a-performance-artist-trollShip-blocking-Suez-canal-draws-very-rude.jpg)
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Yep, prices started falling when pre-trading started in the Asian and Australian markets late last night.
Currently WTI is down $1.94 a barrel.
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I thought global warming caused the waterline to rise =|
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And the Canal is unblocked and the vessel under tow.
I just read an article from a couple of hours ago that it's still blocked:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/25/middleeast/suez-canal-ship-blockage-intl-hnk/index.html
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^^^I saw that too; the report I read has now been taken down. They called in SMIT, which is one of the heavyweights in the marine salvage world.
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/25/middleeast/suez-canal-ship-sand-intl-hnk/index.html
"The size of shipping has become so big that it's very hard for the Egyptian authorities to, basically, keep up with the growth," said CNN's senior international correspondent, Bill Wedeman, on Thursday. "The size of the Suez Canal in the last 50 years, the width of it, has basically doubled and clearly it's still not big enough."
I did not know that the Canal has been widened over the years and it may still need more work.
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As originally built the Suez canal was TINY compared to what it is today -- no more than 300 feet wide, and considerably narrower in some places.
There were "sidings" built into the canal that would allow ships to literally pull over so other ships could pass.
Now it's nearly 1,000 feet wide in many places and can accommodate ships up to 250-feet wide, or wider than the original width of parts of the original canal.
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Have the backed up ships tried incessantly laying on their horns? The guy behind me always seems to think doing so will get the 100 cars sitting still in front of me in a highway jam moving
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They need a drunk redneck to just plow into ship and push it out of the way.
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I saw a comment yesterday: You know you screwed up when your mistake can be seen from space. =)
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Have the backed up ships tried incessantly laying on their horns? The guy behind me always seems to think doing so will get the 100 cars sitting still in front of me in a highway jam moving
If only they had a navigation app that would suggest alternative routes and let them select toll routes versus non-toll routes.
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I saw a comment yesterday: You know you screwed up when your mistake can be seen from space. =)
Epic. :laugh:
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The thing feels very narrow on a CVN. With the overhang of the carriers you can often look straight down and see dirt. Favorite 1MC announcement was to order the cessation of hitting golf balls off the flight deck. Couple of officers had a piece of astroturfing, golf kit, and a solid firing solution on a guy riding a camel down the east bank.
Over the ten years I went through that thing lots of changes were noticeable. In the late 90s it was still very much a war footing. Most of the wrecked ships were gone but the equipment and dug in outposts on the West Bank were ready to go. Still lots of bridging equipment stacked the last time I went through but less militarized each time.
Post 9/11 was always more tense, a few trips through on the amphib and the ship would always drive humvees up to the flight deck to provide more guns available.
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It moved: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1415753/Suez-Canal-ship-moves-EverGiven-stuck-video-watch-evg
Stern partially free. That may allow them to tow it backwards out of the east bank.
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Good stuff!
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Interesting article. I skimmed over the fake news about the female captain (who isn't a captain but a second officer, and doesn't sail on the Ever Given) and scrolled down to the discussion of the problem. There's an image showing the extent of the backup -- looks like there's no room anywhere in the northern red Sea for another ship.
https://www.revolver.news/2021/03/the-meme-god-that-failed-suez-crash-was-not-caused-by-first-woman-captain-from-egypt/
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Was Diana Troy by chance at the helm?
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Sue's canal is still blocked? She get a toy stuck up in there or what?
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/HMS_Howe_%2832%29_passing_Suez_Canal_1944.jpg/1280px-HMS_Howe_%2832%29_passing_Suez_Canal_1944.jpg)
HMS Howe in the Suez Canal in 1944 on her way to fight in the Pacific theater.
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The revolver article is still weak. Not sure how merchant traffic does it but we always took aboard canal pilots for the transit. Same with harbors. The captain is still responsible for sure but there is a local expert advising the controls. They also dismiss the wind. A forty knot wind is not nothing, especially if intermittent. That ship has a huge sail area and you would have quite the correction inputted to keep it tracking straight.
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Do those container ships have bow thrusters? Or stern thrusters?
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Do those container ships have bow thrusters? Or stern thrusters?
This ship has a bow thruster on each side.
They usually require tugs in port. Cruise ships use azipods and have excellent maneuverability but cargo ships typically just have the direct drive screw and some bow thrusters.
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https://istheshipstillstuck.com/ (https://istheshipstillstuck.com/)
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/HMS_Howe_%2832%29_passing_Suez_Canal_1944.jpg/1280px-HMS_Howe_%2832%29_passing_Suez_Canal_1944.jpg)
HMS Howe in the Suez Canal in 1944 on her way to fight in the Pacific theater.
Was that after Italy surrendered?
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The canal makes for some interesting photos at times
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"Was that after Italy surrendered"
Yes. She went to the Pacific theater after escorting a number of surrendered Italian ships to Alexandria.
Howe provided naval gunfire support for US landings on Okinawa.
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Looks like Suez Canal traffic has resumed. The Ever Grounded was refloated and is being moved down the canal.
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Looks like Suez Canal traffic has resumed. The Ever Grounded was refloated and is being moved down the canal.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/suez-canal-ship-stuck-ever-given-successfully-refloated/
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New problem:
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OMG! How are they going to deliver their Yorkshire pork pies?
Oh the humanity!
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There goes oil prices again
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It's a bloody epidemic!
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There is a new problem out in Utah.
Photo of Issue (https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMseYf3v31OjUVy9XZSRXI4_-S4fRHh7MLiSdZsYRZU-ld7LIu1oyxRRqhde_g-fw/photo/AF1QipNVMNWOiNrRRhI_3kzB0Ba9B0yFlDUsjX_f9wTp?key=S2xHdkE1VjlDWmR1Q2dYeVA1NUdpOWJMRjVCM25n)
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There is a new problem out in Utah.
Photo of Issue (https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMseYf3v31OjUVy9XZSRXI4_-S4fRHh7MLiSdZsYRZU-ld7LIu1oyxRRqhde_g-fw/photo/AF1QipNVMNWOiNrRRhI_3kzB0Ba9B0yFlDUsjX_f9wTp?key=S2xHdkE1VjlDWmR1Q2dYeVA1NUdpOWJMRjVCM25n)
Cue Close Encounters of the Third Kind music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTcKFCw2MO0
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I was going to make a joke about the Suez Canal, but that ship has sailed.
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There is a new problem out in Utah.
Photo of Issue (https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMseYf3v31OjUVy9XZSRXI4_-S4fRHh7MLiSdZsYRZU-ld7LIu1oyxRRqhde_g-fw/photo/AF1QipNVMNWOiNrRRhI_3kzB0Ba9B0yFlDUsjX_f9wTp?key=S2xHdkE1VjlDWmR1Q2dYeVA1NUdpOWJMRjVCM25n)
That's not a problem, it's a mystery .... or a bad joke. [popcorn]
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-28/progress-made-in-moving-ship-more-vessels-diverted-suez-update
video at: https://www.newsweek.com/suez-canal-update-ever-given-container-ship-freed-floating-1579356
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Update: The Suez canal authority plans to widen that stretch of the canal by 40 meters,a d deepen it by 2.5 meters.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-12/suez-canal-widened-ever-given-cargo-ship/100134036
In other news, the Ever Given is still being held in the lake midway through the canal.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-14/ever-given-held-in-suez-canal/100067374