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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: brimic on September 23, 2013, 09:18:47 PM
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I'd really like to kick this naive twit right in the &^%$ =(
http://trueslant.com/megancottrell/2009/10/21/do-white-families-deserve-the-crime-section-8-tenants-bring-with-them/
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maybe megan needs to move to the projects and put up or shut up
heres her profile
http://trueslant.com/people/megancottrell/
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2009?
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Maybe somebody needs to bring the crime to her...
Maybe we could bus some released felons to her house and let them break in and do what they do best.
Let's see how she feels after THAT. I mean, after all, a little raping, murder, stealing, kidnapping, that's for everybody to enjoy, isn't it?
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*expletive deleted*ck that little bitch. She knows about as much about crime as she does about real life.
Redlining? Gee, didn't we do away with that in the 1990's, and force banks to lend to everyone, regardless of their ability to pay? And didn't it work out oh-so-well?
I lived in an integrated area into which a lot of section 8 families and their gangbanger kids moved. I lived there nine years and lost money on a beautiful house. Is that what I and other white people deserve for something I've had nothing to do with?
She can kiss my pale white ass.
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May she reap what she sows and end up a slanted statistic.
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Unlike this poor excuse for a woman, I do not suffer from the phenomnon of "white guilt".
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*expletive deleted* that little bitch. She knows about as much about crime as she does about real life.
Redlining? Gee, didn't we do away with that in the 1990's, and force banks to lend to everyone, regardless of their ability to pay? And didn't it work out oh-so-well?
I lived in an integrated area into which a lot of section 8 families and their gangbanger kids moved. I lived there nine years and lost money on a beautiful house. Is that what I and other white people deserve for something I've had nothing to do with?
She can kiss my pale white ass.
Tell us how ya really feel why don't ya
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She can lead the way. Tradw her place with someone from the hood. Report back in a year
damn phone
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*expletive deleted* that little bitch. She knows about as much about crime as she does about real life.
Redlining? Gee, didn't we do away with that in the 1990's, and force banks to lend to everyone, regardless of their ability to pay? And didn't it work out oh-so-well?
I lived in an integrated area into which a lot of section 8 families and their gangbanger kids moved. I lived there nine years and lost money on a beautiful house. Is that what I and other white people deserve for something I've had nothing to do with?
She can kiss my pale white ass.
Thanks for saying what many of us were thinking.
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Actually, this is a perfect example of liberalism:
"WHITE people have had all kinds of benefits from this country. These WHITE people need to suffer some of the consequences of the other races who have suffered!"
...but the white people you are talking about are mostly poor or just barely middle class. They have none of the privilege you claim. They are just trying to eek by.
How about the white people, like you and your fellow liberals, do some of the suffering? Oh, that's right, WHITE people need to suffer, just so long as it's those WHITE people that aren't like you and your elite friends.
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If it weren't for white people, most of these people would be: living in places where people still defecated in the drinking water, having a life expectancy of about 35, having high infant mortality rates, engaging in constant tribal warfare.
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If it weren't for white people, most of these people would be: living in places where people still defecated in the drinking water, having a life expectancy of about 35, having high infant mortality rates, engaging in constant tribal warfare.
Ah, that's well less than half of Africa and a handful of tribes in the bush in some other places.. Most of the rest of the world is significantly more advanced than that.
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The half that vote Democrat probably deserve it.
Of course, they're mixed in with everyone else, wherein lies the problem.
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Ah, that's well less than half of Africa and a handful of tribes in the bush in some other places.. Most of the rest of the world is significantly more advanced than that.
They can go there then if they don't like living here :P
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Ah, that's well less than half of Africa and a handful of tribes in the bush in some other places.. Most of the rest of the world is significantly more advanced than that.
I believe his point is that even those countries are benefiting from the "white man".
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I believe his point is that even those countries are benefiting from the "white man".
I thought about that angle too but decided to let it rest. ;)
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I believe his point is that even those countries are benefiting from the "white man".
Consider what's been happening in Zimbabwe with Whitey's absence . . . =(
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I believe his point is that even those countries are benefiting from the "white man".
Eh, mixed bag. Europeans introduced technology that improved length and quality of life. Back in the day, they weren't exactly fluffy hippies. Now, they mostly do damage through volunteerism. Donate metric tons of food? Farmer is now screwed. Build homes for folks in Durkadurkastan? Think someone will take a free home, or a home built by locals who want to be paid? Textile industry? Not when "T-shirts for Durkadurkastan!" dumps 40 or 60 metric tons of donated old clothing on their market on an unpredictable basis. Combined with a corrupt, inefficient government unable to coordinate NGOs, along with either a stupid or hostile IMF, no wonder why poor countries stay poor.
Like everything in life, virtually no one is the hero or the villain. Yes, these days, the white man comes bearing medicine and cell phones, usually not even at bayonet point. He also comes bearing economic problems as well.
Official redlining is illegal. Unofficially, no one wants to invest or do business in slums. Not out of maliciousness, but because there's little to no economic incentive. No jobs, no growth cycle. Becomes a rather nasty cycle, that can only be broken by determination and will to make sacrifices that will only pay off in the distant future. Has near zero to do with race, but raw economics. Most of the country folks notice that you don't often see run down trailer parks near concentrations of high skill or high paying jobs.
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Most of the country folks notice that you don't often see run down trailer parks near concentrations of high skill or high paying jobs.
But you DO still see rusted-out pickup trucks. :D (for a variety of reasons. One is as a reminder of where you came from) I used to live near the Johnson Space Center, and wife-to-be worked for a while as a NASA contractor. She says one of the astronauts drove an old pickup even nastier than the one I had. (Guessing it was Crippen) It kept getting ticketed for parking in the reserved lot because the cops couldn't imagine that it belonged there, in spite of the sticker.
I don't know if that's true or not, but it ought to be.
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All of what Rev said
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I am all for moving the economically and socially disadvantaged to the suburbs - as soon as they begin to display suburban values and mores. Absent that, we are just expanding the geographical boundaries of the slums.
No, not all folks who live in the slums are criminals, or perverts, or drug addicts, or arsonists - all with body odor and bad teeth. But folks who survive in the slums have different ways of doing things and interacting with other folks, all of which helped them survive living in the slums. Until they learn suburban life skills and social interaction rules they are not going to be suburbanites.
Unfortunately, there are too many cognitively and morally impaired idiots who refuse to accept that, and who couple that refusal with some sort of emotional dysfunction expressed by the politically correct mantra of "white guilt".
Slavery sucked. I don't think anybody disagrees with that. But darned few of the folks living in suburbia grew up with a silver spon in their mouth. More likely they grew up the grandchildren (or great-grandchildren by now) of lower class peasant scum who immigrated here on the off chance that they might be able to rise a few inches out of the muck that was home, and who hoisted their kids on their backs where it was a bit drier and cleaner, who did the same with their children. The last generation or two of parents seem to have given up on that process, and have replaced elevating their own (who admittedly do have it pretty good) with wanting to elevate the folks who did not raise themselves out of the muck but without getting any of that on their nice, clean, and soft backs.
Name me an ethnic/national group that has pushed its way into America that has not, by the third generation, gotten away from living in the same social and economic morass as what they left. I can think of a few, and all of them are the social pariahs of society at large. Heck, some of them are hated by other pariah groups more than we the middle class feel about them. And until they drag themselves out of the muck and take on middle-class suburban values they will never be suburbanites, regardless of where their housing is located.
stay safe.
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It really is amazing how racist progressive people can be.
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It really is amazing how racist progressive people can be.
Your ironic (I'm assuming you meant it to be ironic) statement isn't really ironic. Progressivism has always been racist. We all know that the KKK was Democrat, that the racists of the south were Democrats, and that it was Democrats by and large who fought against the civil rights movement. Eugenics was embraced by progressives, and it was progressives who were fascinated with the ideas of fascism. Democrat policies have kept black people down. Eastern Europeans and asians, like other minority groups from decades past, made their way through immigration and assimilation on their own. In just a few decades, they've joined the ranks of the middle and upper class. No government handouts.
Blacks have been kept on the plantation, and for cheap. Reliable votes for people who've already stabbed them in the back.
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Your ironic (I'm assuming you meant it to be ironic) statement isn't really ironic. Progressivism has always been racist. We all know that the KKK was Democrat, that the racists of the south were Democrats, and that it was Democrats by and large who fought against the civil rights movement. Eugenics was embraced by progressives, and it was progressives who were fascinated with the ideas of fascism. Democrat policies have kept black people down. Eastern Europeans and asians, like other minority groups from decades past, made their way through immigration and assimilation on their own. In just a few decades, they've joined the ranks of the middle and upper class. No government handouts.
Blacks have been kept on the plantation, and for cheap. Reliable votes for people who've already stabbed them in the back.
Yep the blacks sold themselves into a new form of chains...steady votes in exchange for welfare and "attention", not to mention being kept down by their new masters. Any of them that try to rise out of the cycle of bullshit get ridiculed, mocked, attacked by the black community as "actin' white!"
Pathetic...
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I do love how the author, and others, basically assumed it was automatically talking about blacks. Plenty of whites, Latinos, Asians, etc are in Section 8 housing as well.
Around here, the problem is quite simple. If the folks who give a *expletive deleted*it leave and only people who don't give a *expletive deleted*it stay, you end up with a spreading problem. Part of Lancaster, PA turned ghetto from a single Section 8 housing project. Folks moved away from Water St, which made buildings nearby cheap, which Section 8 tenants moved into. Folks near the former projects tenants moved out. Repeat. It spread. You can see amazing old buildings in sections of Lancaster that look like they were shelled and then inhabited by refugees. Same thing happened in Coatesville. Near the entire town moved out, except for people that couldn't afford to do so.
That is how middle class Americans deal with crime and poverty, they move away from it. That is why property, class and culture become so linked to geographical zones.
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I do love how the author, and others, basically assumed it was automatically talking about blacks. Plenty of whites, Latinos, Asians, etc are in Section 8 housing as well.
I had some Section 8 tenants when I first got into residential rentals (a couple of them came with the rentals). I stopped doing Section 8 early on for a lot of reasons. While I had a a few good tenants (a couple of elderly ladies and a single mother and child), the couple with a kid and the couple with no kids were worthless. Interestingly, all five tenants were white. I think the author is maybe a little racist.
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My wife's elementary school has some Section 8 housing within the school boundaries. Consistent with the population of our county, the overwhelming majority of the Section 8 housing residents are white, with Hispanic a distant second.
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My wife's elementary school has some Section 8 housing within the school boundaries. Consistent with the population of our county, the overwhelming majority of the Section 8 housing residents are white, with Hispanic a distant second.
Also, my white Section 8 tenants were in an area of CA that's 50% Hispanic / 50% white, so she should stick that into her demographics.
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If it weren't for white civilized people, most of these people would be: living in places where people still defecated in the drinking water, having a life expectancy of about 35, having high infant mortality rates, engaging in constant tribal warfare.
FTFY
Skin color has little to do with barbaric behavior. Lack of education is the primary culprit compounded by greed.
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at one point managed 40 rentals scattered around mannassas. about 1/2 section 8. i had more trouble from the "regular " tenants than the section 8 folks. and ironically the only folks i ever had to take to court to get em to go were white.
i wonder whats the articles authors experience was if any
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That is how middle class Americans deal with crime and poverty, they move away from it. That is why property, class and culture become so linked to geographical zones.
Which is why the Left loves Section 8: they can target it at folks they hate who already un-azzed the AO.
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I'm sure she doesn't live in a
ghetto neighborhood where they plunk Section 8 housing.
Here's where she started to lose me (other than her opening paragraph, of course):
I can’t deny that that’s a real phenomenon. While I don’t think Section 8 tenants can be blamed on the whole, I think there’s real evidence that one unintended consequence of the Section 8 housing program is moving crime and disorder to new places as families try to break the cycle of poverty.
I once worked for a public housing agency in a medium-sized city. Our agency had (at the time I was there) about 3500 government-owned units that we rented out, (mis)managed, and (mal)maintained. We also administered the Section 8 program, but I wasn't involved in that so I have no idea how many units fell under Section 8.
What I DO know is that there were no public housing residents, in our units or in Section 8, who were trying to "break the cycle of poverty." Au contraire, we were dealing with third and fourth generation public housing residents -- and this was 30 years ago. They didn't want to break the cycle of poverty, they wanted to perpetuate it. To them it was a gravy train.
And, at least in this city, nothing has changed (for the better) in the ensuing 30 years.
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Section 8, at least in CA, is not limited to the "bad parts" of town. It is often right in the middle of "two kids and two cars" suburbia, likely due to higher housing costs. While not a fan of Section 8, I have to say in the county where I had experience with them, they actually had very strict controls. during annual inspections, I would be written up if a closet door squeaked when it opened. Tenants were inspected several times throughout the year and every scratch they made recorded. I even had one inspector write a tenant up for the house being too cluttered.
Section 8 apparently varies across states and counties though, as to where you will find it and how strict they are regarding screening and monitoring those that apply.
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If section 8 came to her hood Im sure she would be among the first protestors...
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In 1980 Berkley Breathed lost his one and only paying cartooning job from a newspaper when he drew (and they published) his Star Trek Movie spoof "Honkey Trek- The White Flight". (Which I, sadly, cannot find on the Interwebz.)
That is precisely what happened in Chicago. All the original ethnicities (Italians, Irish, Poles, Jews, and Germans) packed up and moved to the greener pastures of the suburbs in the late 60's-early 70's as Chicago schools declined, and the city became a liberal hell.
Now, the do-gooders in their continuing inability to think and use logic (only "feel"), and urge the suburbs to embrace "affordable housing". Which means section 8, which means that the two sets of multiple apartment complexes at the east and west ends of Roosevelt Rd. (how appropriate) that are all section 8 also look like bullseye bookends when the police blotter report comes out in the weekly newspaper.
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....What I DO know is that there were no public housing residents, in our units or in Section 8, who were trying to "break the cycle of poverty." Au contraire, we were dealing with third and fourth generation public housing residents -- and this was 30 years ago. They didn't want to break the cycle of poverty, they wanted to perpetuate it. To them it was a gravy train.
And, at least in this city, nothing has changed (for the better) in the ensuing 30 years.
My family lived in a sec. 8 apartment complex for four years when I was a kid, living in Maine, in the early 80's (The location eliminates there being a racial angle to my observation, as that part of Maine at that time was all white). I personally only know of TWO families, mine being one of them who showed an eagerness to 'break the cycle of poverty' and get out.
This was an entire apartment complex, over a period of four years. Two families. Other families (typically not with a working dad) came and went, but always just to another section 8 situation down the road or across town.
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You want to know what's worse than the Section 8 For Life crowd?
Those that have gotten kicked out of Section 8 and are bouncing from motel to motel and then campground to campground after managing to pull the miracle of getting kicked out of their Section 8 housing. Those people are the most fun to deal with.
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I'll add to my observation above...
My family and the other family I mentioned (who got out) were the only families I can recall that had two stable parents that didn't have something glaringly wrong with their ability to self support. I can think of four other two parent families, one with both adults crippled, and three with no reliable income due to 'lifestyle choices'.
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You want to know what's worse than the Section 8 For Life crowd?
Those that have gotten kicked out of Section 8 and are bouncing from motel to motel and then campground to campground after managing to pull the miracle of getting kicked out of their Section 8 housing. Those people are the most fun to deal with.
GOD YES!!
the folks we have worried quite a bit about getting tossed off. they waited a long time on waiting list and if booted no second chances
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You want to know what's worse than the Section 8 For Life crowd?
Those that have gotten kicked out of Section 8 and are bouncing from motel to motel and then campground to campground after managing to pull the miracle of getting kicked out of their Section 8 housing. Those people are the most fun to deal with.
And you are more than welcome to them. NIMBY,L,SB,P,OT.*
*-Not In My Backyard, Library, Starbucks, Parks, Or Town.