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Will we know the winner Election Day?

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Voting closed: November 07, 2012, 01:35:33 AM

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Re: Will We Know Today?
« Reply #50 on: November 06, 2012, 11:55:25 PM »
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Since it didn't matter anyway, I wish I would have voted Gary Johnson

Instead, I wasted a vote on a RINO who should have easily won this election but couldn't, nominated by a spineless party

I will never... Never vote republican again

My thoughts are on the same track.
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Re: Will We Know Today?
« Reply #51 on: November 07, 2012, 12:19:17 AM »
Well that didn't take long


This loss is the GOPs fault. Not people who voted their principles

Since it didn't matter anyway, I wish I would have voted Gary Johnson

Instead, I wasted a vote on a RINO who should have easily won this election but couldn't, nominated by a spineless party

I will never... Never vote republican again


Do you think maybe if those that had said that 4 years ago had voted, maybe Romney might have won?  
Think.

 
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Re: Will We Know Today?
« Reply #52 on: November 07, 2012, 12:45:47 AM »
Dissapointed, sad, maybe even a little depressed but not terribly surprised. Buckle up folks it's going to get interesting.
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Re: Will We Know Today?
« Reply #53 on: November 07, 2012, 12:47:43 AM »
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Do you think maybe if those that had said that 4 years ago had voted, maybe Romney might have won?  
Think.

Would it really matter all that much?
There aren't too many differences between romney and obama to start with, I find it amusing that republicans pinned their hopes on a candidate that passed socialist medicine before obama did.

I went to the polls, held my bile down and voted for romney with nothing more than 'hope' that he wouldn't screw things up worse than obama, and had no illusions that he'd fix or even want to fix the problems caused by obama.

In WI, we ended up with a rino candidate for senate because the party of stupid was too dumb to double down on another candidate cut from the same solid conservative bar stock as Ron Johnson, so now we present to America an empty headed whack-job socialist for a senator in tammy baldwin. [barf] [barf]I feel a lot more let down about that than obama winning.
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Re: Will We Know Today?
« Reply #54 on: November 07, 2012, 12:50:57 AM »
Would it really matter all that much?
There aren't too many differences between romney and obama to start with, I find it amusing that republicans pinned their hopes on a candidate that passed socialist medicine before obama did.


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Re: Will We Know Today?
« Reply #55 on: November 07, 2012, 12:53:42 AM »
On the slightly less dim side, Oklahoma is the reddest of the red states. not a single county went for  [barf] Obama.
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Re: Will We Know Today?
« Reply #56 on: November 07, 2012, 12:56:16 AM »
Would it really matter all that much?
There aren't too many differences between romney and obama to start with, I find it amusing that republicans pinned their hopes on a candidate that passed socialist medicine before obama did.

I went to the polls, held my bile down and voted for romney with nothing more than 'hope' that he wouldn't screw things up worse than obama, and had no illusions that he'd fix or even want to fix the problems caused by obama.

In WI, we ended up with a rino candidate for senate because the party of stupid was too dumb to double down on another candidate cut from the same solid conservative bar stock as Ron Johnson, so now we present to America an empty headed whack-job socialist for a senator in tammy baldwin. [barf] [barf]I feel a lot more let down about that than obama winning.
There were plenty of differences between Romney & Obama.  Romney has actually RUN a business or two and understands how to make them work while Obama couldn't run a lemonade stand -- he's NEVER run a lemonade stand!

Romney's health care plan applied to a few % of the people and had no new taxes, Obama's applies to everyone and has 21 new taxes.
Look, I'm too pissed off right now to continue.  Just understand how wrong you are in my opinion.
It's a little pointless to get into a deeper pissing constest as we're both in the same boat -- and it is sinking.
 










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Re: Will We Know Today?
« Reply #57 on: November 07, 2012, 01:41:05 AM »
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...this country made it through a Great Depression and a World War.

It also barely made it through a civil war. I just hope there's not another, but the odds against it get slimmer every day.

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Re: Will We Know Today?
« Reply #58 on: November 07, 2012, 01:42:24 AM »
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There were plenty of differences between Romney & Obama.  Romney has actually RUN a business or two and understands how to make them work while Obama couldn't run a lemonade stand -- he's NEVER run a lemonade stand!

Romney's health care plan applied to a few % of the people and had no new taxes, Obama's applies to everyone and has 21 new taxes.
Look, I'm too pissed off right now to continue.  Just understand how wrong you are in my opinion.
It's a little pointless to get into a deeper pissing constest as we're both in the same boat -- and it is sinking.
 

Yes there are plenty of differences- romney had better hair, romney would probably appoint a couple of Roberts clones to SCOTUS, romney was from massachusetts which is known to be a lot more conserv... wait, nevermind....

Repeat this mantra: The party of stupid only wins when it nominates conservatives.
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Re: Will We Know Today?
« Reply #59 on: November 07, 2012, 02:27:34 AM »
A real conservative might win but conservatives cannot carry a country where half the population is anything but.
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Re: Will We Know Today?
« Reply #60 on: November 07, 2012, 12:14:03 PM »
Yes there are plenty of differences- romney had better hair, romney would probably appoint a couple of Roberts clones to SCOTUS, romney was from massachusetts which is known to be a lot more conserv... wait, nevermind....

Repeat this mantra: The party of stupid only wins when it nominates conservatives.

I agree with your last statement, but I don't even understand your  opening statement.  Romney was certainly a moderate Republican.
I guess I've listened to too many talking heads on the radio whining that the repubs have gone too conservative.  It's so much B.S.  One guy on radio was saying Romney lost because Ryan was too conservative. [tinfoil]
Who the *** cares about Romney's hair.   JFK had better "hair" than Nixon. 
But Romney has better hair than Obama....who hardly even has hair at all.
 [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] [popcorn] ......................................  [barf]

Look, the country had a choice.  A president who gives people free telephones and runs up a $6 trillion dollar debt after promising to cut it in half, and a less-than-perfect governor (but who has good hair) who actually has turned around failing enterprises and made them work and actually had some plan for righting the ship of state and doing something about this country's fiscal asshattery.
The right person lost, the wrong person won, game over, THAT'S IT.
And in the weeks and months to come we will reap what we've sown. :'(
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Re: Will We Know Today?
« Reply #61 on: November 07, 2012, 02:06:32 PM »

I'm consoling myself with the confirmation that the guy I voted for in 1992 turned out to be right.  He predicted the current state of things, nobody wanted to hear it, and he was right in ways that are still being fulfilled.

"But nobody is listening." 

Still true today.
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Re: Will We Know Today?
« Reply #62 on: November 08, 2012, 12:12:34 PM »
When we stop trying to convert the "pagans" we might actually get somewhere.

Yeah, I know, Hispanics are all going to become Republicans.  Sure they are.  Just as they were where they came from.
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Re: Will We Know Today?
« Reply #63 on: November 08, 2012, 12:51:24 PM »
If it is not possible to change people's ideas, then we are all screwed.
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Re: Will We Know Today?
« Reply #64 on: November 08, 2012, 12:57:23 PM »
I'm consoling myself with the confirmation that the guy I voted for in 1992 turned out to be right.  He predicted the current state of things, nobody wanted to hear it, and he was right in ways that are still being fulfilled.

"But nobody is listening." 

Still true today.

Pardon my lack of recollection, but I was only 14 back then.  '92 was obviously Bush I vs Clinton, with Perot as a spoiler.  Was it Perot, and what speech is it you are referring to?  Genuinely curious.
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« Reply #65 on: November 08, 2012, 01:05:17 PM »

Pardon my lack of recollection, but I was only 14 back then.  '92 was obviously Bush I vs Clinton, with Perot as a spoiler.  Was it Perot, and what speech is it you are referring to?  Genuinely curious.


Yes, Perot.  There were ads he did, involving charts and stuff, but IIRC there was also a debate in which he enumerated the results of the current vectors if they remained uncorrected.

There's a YouTube video that has that debate, but I'll have to look it up.
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« Reply #66 on: November 08, 2012, 01:08:09 PM »
It was Perot.  I don't recall any specific speech, just that he made a lot of points back then that are coming true now.

I worked for his company in the mid to late 90s and met the man multiple times.  He's pretty sharp and down-to-earth.  We could have done much worse than him as president.  Too late now.

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« Reply #67 on: November 08, 2012, 02:08:27 PM »
If it is not possible to change people's ideas, then we are all screwed.

You can change people's ideas--if you're motivated enough.

From what I see the motivated people, politically speaking, are mostly on the Left. 
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« Reply #68 on: November 08, 2012, 02:09:15 PM »
It also barely made it through a civil war. I just hope there's not another, but the odds against it get slimmer every day.

That war started in the '60s.  Headline: We lost.
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Re: Will We Know Today?
« Reply #69 on: November 10, 2012, 01:04:46 PM »
If it is not possible to change people's ideas, then we are all screwed.

To have ideas to change at all requires one to think.  Takers do not think for the most part.  At best they emote.
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« Reply #70 on: November 10, 2012, 01:10:26 PM »
It was Adults versus Children in touch football.  The kids won.
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« Reply #71 on: November 10, 2012, 06:17:08 PM »
To have ideas to change at all requires one to think.  Takers do not think for the most part.  At best they emote.

If you gennuinely think that 50% of your own countrymen need only to be thought of as some kind of evil, and stupid, 'takers' that cannot be reasoned and bargained with, you do not deserve political victory.

And indeed, Romney literally thought this way, and did not deserve political victory, and did not win.

And people like Romney do not deserve to win. It is just sad that Obama was the other candidate.
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« Reply #72 on: November 10, 2012, 06:40:54 PM »
Who says they are evil?  Better to call them "human all too human."  Create a system that encouorages weakness and corruption, subsidize it every which way from Sunday, and you will over time destroy the soul of a nation. 

It is not just the "takers" who are the problem here.  It is the well-off liberals who really believe they are entitled because of presumed moral and intellectual superiority to trample on the rights of everyone else an drag us, willing or not, into their Utopia.  I know a bunch of people who think exactly like this.
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« Reply #73 on: November 10, 2012, 06:59:31 PM »
If you gennuinely think that 50% of your own countrymen need only to be thought of as some kind of evil, and stupid, 'takers' that cannot be reasoned and bargained with, you do not deserve political victory.

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« Reply #74 on: November 10, 2012, 07:46:35 PM »
If you gennuinely think that 50% of your own countrymen need only to be thought of as some kind of evil, and stupid, 'takers' that cannot be reasoned and bargained with, you do not deserve political victory.

And indeed, Romney literally thought this way, and did not deserve political victory, and did not win.

And people like Romney do not deserve to win. It is just sad that Obama was the other candidate.

This is sure enlightening.
Romney didn't "deserve" to win because he somehow painted the "moocher" class as "evil? ? ?"
I don't seem to have a clear memory of Romney calling the moocher, or "taker" class evil.  Nor do I recall him saying they couldn't be reasoned with.  I have certainly seen examples of these people on YouTube I would guess couldn't be reasoned with, one comes to mind of one lady who thought being required to work to earn a living was "oppressive" or slavery, for example.  That is a very unreasonable opinion.  A certain other tape of a woman excitedly yapping about her "Obamaphone, another.
But I'm sure that there some who could be reasoned with.
What Romney is worried about is a 16 trillion debt and an entitlement - minded society.  
Listening to people criticize Romney for his remark is often either enlightening or annoying.  Fox New's liberal "talking head" Bob Beckel got all offended and retorted about how many were  retired and receiving social security.
Well, it might be unfair to refer to retired people as "moochers," but does Beckel realize social security is headed into insolvency?  It's basically an intergenerational Ponzi Scheme and demographics are going to bring it down.  When it started each retired person could be supported by dozens of workers.  It's easy to spread out the expense that way and each worker has to contribute er, be ripped off of only a small amount of $$.  But things are changing and there are far more retired people, soaking up much more benefits.  
While each retiree does receive back monies he put in, those are gone very quickly and very soon he is actually being supported by the few other workers that are paying into SS.  This is been accelerated with our current level of unemployment.  Politicians play games with numbers and shift the date SS will collapse around, but it's still out there.  Like it or not, it is not really completly unreasonable to refer to retirees on SS as "takers" but I understand how many will see it as harsh.
More clear cases are people who are completly dependant on (often proudly so) the teat of federal government welfare checks.

So Romney didn't "deserve" to win?  Does America "deserve" the economic ruin that it is heading into if we can't do something about both the entitlements and the mindset of millions of Americans who actually do believe it is the job of the govt. to support them?
Yes.  America does deserve it.

 >:D

It's just such a shame so many Americans who still maintain the classic moralities of rugged individualism, free enterprise, small (unintrusive) government will also suffer mightily right along with all the rest as the hollowed sow of America collapses and rots from within, those clinging to the teats whining and shrieking in agony as their free meals dry up and blow away in the wind.

But we've made our choice.  The mesmerizing community organizer remains in office four more years, triumphing over the droll, boring, unimpressive but evil business tycoon, Mitt Romney.


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