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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: grampster on March 17, 2016, 09:33:47 AM
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Let’s check out Trump's presidential qualifications...
The Obama is against Trump... Check
The Media is against Trump... Check
The establishment Democrats are against Trump... Check
The establishment Republicans are against Trump... Check
The Pope is against Trump... Check
The UN is against Trump... Check
The EU is against Trump... Check
China is against Trump... Check
Mexico is against Trump... Check
Soros is against Trump... Check
BlackLivesMatter is against Trump... Check
MoveOn.Org is against Trump... Check
Koch Bro's are against Trump... Check
Hateful, racist, violent Liberals are against Trump.. Check
Bonus points!!!
Cher says she will leave the country... Check
Miley Cyrus says she will leave the country... Check
Whoopi says she will leave the country... Check
Rosi says she will leave the country... Check
Sharpton says he will leave the country... Check
Gov. Brown says California will build a wall... Check
What's not to like??
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Yup.
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Let’s check out Trump's presidential qualifications...
The Obama is against Trump... Check
The Media is against Trump... Check
The establishment Democrats are against Trump... Check
The establishment Republicans are against Trump... Check
The Pope is against Trump... Check
The UN is against Trump... Check
The EU is against Trump... Check
China is against Trump... Check
Mexico is against Trump... Check
Soros is against Trump... Check
BlackLivesMatter is against Trump... Check
MoveOn.Org is against Trump... Check
Koch Bro's are against Trump... Check
Hateful, racist, violent Liberals are against Trump.. Check
Bonus points!!!
Cher says she will leave the country... Check
Miley Cyrus says she will leave the country... Check
Whoopi says she will leave the country... Check
Rosi says she will leave the country... Check
Sharpton says he will leave the country... Check
Gov. Brown says California will build a wall... Check
What's not to like??
Stealing this!
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Wait, isn't Trump a hateful, racist, violent Liberal? Or are we supposed to ignore everything he's ever done or said, and focus on today's comments alone?
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To be honest, most of those people would be against Trump or Cruz or even the establishment Republicans.
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I thought the Koch brothers were libertarian?
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This is true. Trump's best endorsements are those who are against him. It's beautifully poetic.
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Wait, isn't Trump a hateful, racist, violent Liberal? Or are we supposed to ignore everything he's ever done or said, and focus on today's comments alone?
Both, depending on one's mood...
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I hate Trump because he tried to use the gov to seize an old woman's house to give to him (eminent domain).
I hate him because he has contempt for 4th amendment rights (warrant less wiretapping).
I hate Trump because he wants to loosen libel laws so he can sue people who say bad things about him.
I hate Trump because he has given enormous amounts of money to freedom hating politicians like Hillary, Rahm, Schumer etc.
I hate Trump because he constantly uses third grade insults publicly against people who disagree with him (Carson, Cruz, Fiorna).
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I hate Trump because he tried to use the gov to seize an old woman's house to give to him (eminent domain).
I hate him because he has contempt for 4th amendment rights (warrant less wiretapping).
I hate Trump because he wants to loosen libel laws so he can sue people who say bad things about him.
I hate Trump because he has given enormous amounts of money to freedom hating politicians like Hillary, Rahm, Schumer etc.
I hate Trump because he constantly uses third grade insults publicly against people who disagree with him (Carson, Cruz, Fiorna).
This. *expletive deleted*ck that worthless liberal shitstain
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I thought the Koch brothers were libertarian?
Do the Koch brothers even fit in with the rest of that group? Are they part of the illuminati or something?
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I hate Trump because he tried to use the gov to seize an old woman's house to give to him (eminent domain).
I hate him because he has contempt for 4th amendment rights (warrant less wiretapping).
I hate Trump because he wants to loosen libel laws so he can sue people who say bad things about him.
I hate Trump because he has given enormous amounts of money to freedom hating politicians like Hillary, Rahm, Schumer etc.
I hate Trump because he constantly uses third grade insults publicly against people who disagree with him (Carson, Cruz, Fiorna).
That's just a partial list
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What BTR said. I don't care who's against him, I care about what kind of leader he's likely to be and what kinds of things he'll do in office. His past history says he will be a childish, narcissistic, power-hungry statist. Pass. He's wielded the government on his own behalf every time he's found it in his pocket, and not for causes I think anyone here agrees with.
I don't care if Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot all rise from the grave to speak out against him, I'm not willing to vote for the dude. Not voting for Hillary either, obviously, but I honestly can't say Trump would be any better for the country than Hillary; in some ways I think he'd be worse. Kind of like choosing to vote in Stalin or Hitler; I'll abstain. "But if you don't vote for Hitler, Stalin will win!" And?
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What BTR said. I don't care who's against him, I care about what kind of leader he's likely to be and what kinds of things he'll do in office. His past history says he will be a childish, narcissistic, power-hungry statist. Pass. He's wielded the government on his own behalf every time he's found it in his pocket, and not for causes I think anyone here agrees with.
I don't care if Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot all rise from the grave to speak out against him, I'm not willing to vote for the dude. Not voting for Hillary either, obviously, but I honestly can't say Trump would be any better for the country than Hillary; in some ways I think he'd be worse. Kind of like choosing to vote in Stalin or Hitler; I'll abstain. "But if you don't vote for Hitler, Stalin will win!" And?
Hitler offered better uniforms.
Whatever one's view of Trump, the OP illustrates how he arrived at the present juncture. The more people tore him down, the more other people liked him.
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What BTR said. I don't care who's against him, I care about what kind of leader he's likely to be and what kinds of things he'll do in office. His past history says he will be a childish, narcissistic, power-hungry statist. Pass. He's wielded the government on his own behalf every time he's found it in his pocket, and not for causes I think anyone here agrees with.
I don't care if Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot all rise from the grave to speak out against him, I'm not willing to vote for the dude. Not voting for Hillary either, obviously, but I honestly can't say Trump would be any better for the country than Hillary; in some ways I think he'd be worse. Kind of like choosing to vote in Stalin or Hitler; I'll abstain. "But if you don't vote for Hitler, Stalin will win!" And?
I think I've heard it on Limbaugh or somewhere several times in the past- you don't win elections by being 'the vote against someone else.' Trump is both the vote against the democrats and a vote against establishment republicans, which makes him a doubleplusnotgood candidate. He's a frankenstein monster that kicks clueless *let's not go there* rinos in the balls, but in the end, he's still a frankenstein monster.
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This primary is null and void due to Godwins Law.
Let's just not replace politicians at all once their terms expire.
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What BTR said. I don't care who's against him, I care about what kind of leader he's likely to be and what kinds of things he'll do in office. His past history says he will be a childish, narcissistic, power-hungry statist. Pass. He's wielded the government on his own behalf every time he's found it in his pocket, and not for causes I think anyone here agrees with.
I don't care if Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot all rise from the grave to speak out against him, I'm not willing to vote for the dude. Not voting for Hillary either, obviously, but I honestly can't say Trump would be any better for the country than Hillary; in some ways I think he'd be worse. Kind of like choosing to vote in Stalin or Hitler; I'll abstain. "But if you don't vote for Hitler, Stalin will win!" And?
Well, Stalin killed more people total, but I am not sure how it adds up on a per year basis.
Which one invaded more countries? I am tempted to give Hitler the nod, but I am not so sure.
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I tire of the exclamations of "Godwin's law!!!!!one!111eleventy" anytime "Hitler" appears in a conversation. Sometimes using Hitler or Stalin in a metaphor is simply the most communicative way to illustrate one's point. In this case it was a very clear "bad" vs "also bad" metaphor. In no way was an "Trump is as bad as Hitler" comparison implied. Reductio ad Hitlerum would be more like me claiming that Trump is bad because he did/wants to do something Hitler did/wanted to do. Or "You know who else did _____? Hitler!"
If you prefer, here is a Hitler(though, unfortunately not Hillary)-free rendering:
I don't care if [well known extreme statists, gun grabbers, communists, and SJWs] rise from the [grave, recliner, or other place of rest] to speak out against him, I'm not willing to vote for the dude. Not voting for Hillary either, obviously, but I honestly can't say Trump would be any better for the country than Hillary; in some ways I think he'd be worse. Kind of like choosing [between steamed bear scat and poached dog feces for dinner]; I'll abstain. "But if you don't [choose the feces they'll serve the scat]!" And?
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I tire of the exclamations of "Godwin's law!!!!!one!111eleventy" anytime "Hitler" appears in a conversation. Sometimes using Hitler or Stalin in a metaphor is simply the most communicative way to illustrate one's point. In this case it was a very clear "bad" vs "also bad" metaphor. In no way was an "Trump is as bad as Hitler" comparison implied. Reductio ad Hitlerum would be more like me claiming that Trump is bad because he did/wants to do something Hitler did/wanted to do. Or "You know who else did _____? Hitler!"
Me too. 'godwin's law' is not only a stupid meme to meant to shut down otherwise unassailable points (especially when the points are to point out the flaws in socialism), but its also a logical fallacy most of the time.
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The use of the Nazi/Hitler comparison regarding Trump is over the top.
Considering the USA is already well on the way to being a fascist state it shouldn't surprise us that so many of our politicians are little Hitlers.
Go ahead and keep using the analogy if you want. I just think it conveys way less actual information about the subject at hand than most folks who use it think it does.
Any real information is lost in the noise of "Hitler/Nazis=Bad!!!!"
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The use of the Nazi/Hitler comparison regarding Trump is over the top.
Considering the USA is already well on the way to being a fascist state it shouldn't surprise us that so many of our politicians are little Hitlers.
Go ahead and keep using the analogy if you want. I just think it conveys way less actual information about the subject at hand than most folks who use it think it does.
Any real information is lost in the noise of "Hitler/Nazis=Bad!!!!"
Meh, the Nazi/Hitler comparison would have been over the top when applied to Hitler in 1933 as well....
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Again, I wasn't comparing Trump to Hitler, the metaphor was about the choice between candidates, not about the candidates themselves.
Any real information is lost in the noise of "Hitler/Nazis=Bad!!!!"
I don't think it's that noisy, I think it's just a convenient handle to grab onto when one disagrees with the author of a post that uttered the H word. It lets you attack the metaphor instead of the point of the metaphor. Reason enough for me to try to avoid using it in the future, I suppose, but in reality it doesn't change anything. Some other fallacy will be selected. I have yet to see anyone on here respond to the criticisms of Trump's past (and present) actions and words. They just repeat the "But look how many liberals hate him! Look how much the establishment hates him!" argument.
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He has stated he would attack civilian targets to “take away their (ISIS’s) wealth”. In one sentence, a candidate for President of the United States publicly used the same rationale as the stated perpetrators of the September 11th attacks.
Simultaneously, he stated he would wage war to take natural resources from an occupied country, a violation of international law.
He supports the government’s domestic spying program.
He promised a return to a militarized domestic police force to target citizens.
He has advocated the use of torture and “worse”.
He’s promised a “deportation force” to round up 11 million people and ship them off. He’s never explained what happens to their children, who may be US citizens by birth.
He wants to be able to punish those who criticize him.
He would force specific companies to manufacture in the United States, even though he has no power to do so.
He proposed a “one-time tax” in which the government simply levies money from whoever it chooses, starting with the rich.
He said “I happen to agree with it 100 percent,” when speaking of using eminent domain to seize land from private citizens.
He promised to murder the families of suspected terrorists.
He expressed the desire to execute US citizens who resist government tyranny by peace or by force.
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I'm not a Trump supporter, and most of that list seems pretty bad, but a few of the points mislead.
Simultaneously, he stated he would wage war to take natural resources from an occupied country, a violation of international law.
I assume that refers to Trump's statements about how we should have been rewarded with Iraqi oil, when we toppled the Hussein regime. That is much different from saying that we should go to war with a country simply to take their stuff.
He has advocated the use of torture and “worse”.
Nothing misleading about this one. It's just that it doesn't make sense to rule out all torture altogether, unless one also rules out ever harming an enemy, for any reason. There's a case to be made for torture, in very specific circumstances. Being entirely opposed to torture is actually hard to justify, rationally.
He’s promised a “deportation force” to round up 11 million people and ship them off. He’s never explained what happens to their children, who may be US citizens by birth.
Trump can't be blamed for the fact that children suffer when their parents break the law.
He would force specific companies to manufacture in the United States, even though he has no power to do so.
OK, but most politicians in America seem to promise this. Doesn't make it right. Just sayin'
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from Facebook
He has stated he would attack civilian targets to “take away their (ISIS’s) wealth”. In one sentence, a candidate for President of the United States publicly used the same rationale as the stated perpetrators of the September 11th attacks.
Simultaneously, he stated he would wage war to take natural resources from an occupied country, a violation of international law.
These two are a bit daft. The first one has been (and remains) a staple of war policy for everyone, we just pretend that they are somehow enemy combatants / collateral damage now.
The second is something that your country, mine, and most of the others was built on.
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Errm, the OP was a joke. :lol:
The fact of the matter is that Trump is a result of the Neo-Liberal/Left Wing/Statist/Oligarchy/Progressive/RINO ruling class. He is the Fronkenshteen Monster created by The Silent Majority who doesn't give a rat's behind what Trump was/is/will be because they are mightily pissed at the aforementioned N-LLWSOPR ruling class and how they have trampled all over the American Dream. The blame for his populist disheveled/half-sentence/disorganized boloney rests quite nicely in their laps.
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I think I've heard it on Limbaugh or somewhere several times in the past- you don't win elections by being 'the vote against someone else.' Trump is both the vote against the democrats and a vote against establishment republicans, which makes him a doubleplusnotgood candidate. He's a frankenstein monster that kicks clueless *let's not go there* rinos in the balls, but in the end, he's still a frankenstein monster.
Everyone says that every election year, but it doesn't apply to Trump. Trump supporters seem to want to vote FOR Trump.
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Everyone says that every election year, but it doesn't apply to Trump. Trump supporters seem to want to vote FOR Trump.
This. I hear normally rational people parroting his slogans and ignoring his actual past
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The progressives control of the education system has dumbed down the population so effectively that folks are more readily susceptible to the power of emotional persuasion.
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This. I hear normally rational people parroting his slogans and ignoring his actual past
Narrative over facts is a hallmark trait
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I do not like Trump. I am not in the hater class either. undecided whether I would vote for him or abstain. I figure there is a 2% chance Trump becomes a great president because he is mostly an actor and suddenly decides he should act all presidential. There is a zero percent chance on the other two across the fence. Trump may spark a domestic shooting war, but Hillary comes with cattle cars eventually, so come on SMOD!
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I do not like Trump. I am not in the hater class either.
I'm with you that far. If he makes it to the general, I would vote for him, as I'm enjoying the desperation of the old-line GOP, so far.
As for him provoking a shooting war, LOLwut?
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I'm still of the opinion that the GOPe will committee suicide before they let Trump (or Cruz) get the nomination.
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Trump is a CEO. A bombastic one at that. He hires COO's. I see him doing the same thing if President in critical positions. I don't see him going along with the status quo because his ego couldn't stand the bashing if he fails to shake things up.
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I'm with you that far. If he makes it to the general, I would vote for him, as I'm enjoying the desperation of the old-line GOP, so far.
As for him provoking a shooting war, LOLwut?
The well-funded bombthrowers of the left will make urban areas untenable. Uh, I mean spontaneous peaceful protests will take place peacefully.
Some evilbitterclingerracistjesus will tire of all this peaceful and shoot a bunch of them completely unprovoked.
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I do not like Trump. I am not in the hater class either. undecided whether I would vote for him or abstain. I figure there is a 2% chance Trump becomes a great president because he is mostly an actor and suddenly decides he should act all presidential. There is a zero percent chance on the other two across the fence. Trump may spark a domestic shooting war, but Hillary comes with cattle cars eventually, so come on SMOD!
I don't see Trump starting a "domestic shooting war."
However, I do think there is a possibility Hillary might.
What I wonder about Trump is what he'll do when he finds out that the president cannot simply "order" walls built, illegals deported, Muslims banned, and so forth.
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This primary is null and void due to Godwins Law.
Let's just not replace politicians at all once their terms expire.
[I know I'm a day late] Godwin's Law only states that in any online discussion, if it goes on long enough eventually someone will make a comparison to Hitler or Nazis. It does not say anything about the argument being lost at that point; occasionally (perhaps rarely) the comparison is apt.
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The progressives control of the education system has dumbed down the population so effectively that folks are more readily susceptible to the power of emotional persuasion.
Amen ++11eleventY !!111YAY.
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Here's his campaign managers second faux Paul
http://www.weaselzippers.us/262533-trump-defends-campaign-manager-accused-of-pulling-protesters-collar-i-give-him-credit-for-having-spirit/
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Here's his campaign managers second faux Paul
http://www.weaselzippers.us/262533-trump-defends-campaign-manager-accused-of-pulling-protesters-collar-i-give-him-credit-for-having-spirit/
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Thinking that Trump will self destruct is a big reason why Trump has made it this far. Everyone assumed he would say something stupid and his support would evaporate. Well, he and his people have said and done stuff and his support stayed strong largely because he didn't meekly apologize and bow out.
I admire that determination to not quit, but I wonder how voters will feel come November when all the hundreds of skeletons in his closet get blasted across the public media. Many of them are not unknown, just people haven't talked about them.
I begin to think he is the Bill Clinton of the Republican Party. I am not sure what that means if he is elected.
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If, in the extremely unlikely event, Trump get the nomination I'd really like to see him unload on Hillary about the very public skeletons in her closet the no one talks about- Benghazi, email server, backroom deals to buy the services of Secretary of State, Clinton foundation...
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Baio's on board:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/20/entertainment/scott-baio-endorse-trump-feat/index.html
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I got a coworker who is a big fan of Trump for president. He has told me time and time again that Trump is acting just like he says he does in his book, Art of the Deal, goes for the extreme position so he can negotiate down to what he really wants.
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I got a coworker who is a big fan of Trump for president. He has told me time and time again that Trump is acting just like he says he does in his book, Art of the Deal, goes for the extreme position so he can negotiate down to what he really wants.
You don't have to be a trump fan (my choice would be Cruz) to recognize that behavior as a persuasive technique...and one he has wholly admitted to using in the past.
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Heck, even some Democrats are looking at Trump as the alternative to Hillary.
http://nypost.com/2016/03/19/why-its-time-for-a-trump-revolution/
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You don't have to be a trump fan (my choice would be Cruz) to recognize that behavior as a persuasive technique...and one he has wholly admitted to using in the past.
It's a technique that has been working for the gun control advocates ...
"Why won't you compromise with us just this once? We don't want to take away all your guns, we only want to eliminate assaault weapons semi-automatic handguns large magazines semi-automatic rifles handguns bolt action rifles centerfire firearms shotguns BB guns pictures of firearms ..."
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He has admitted to using that technique during the campaign.
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Trumps speech today at AIPAC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHmINZRwiZU
A real stem winder.
If he is the nominee he will destroy Clinton.
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Trumps speech today at AIPAC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHmINZRwiZU
A real stem winder.
If he is the nominee he will destroy Clinton.
Fixed it for you.
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I thought Rick Astley was an Australian but it seems he is English. Ineligible to run for President. Which means he could only run as a Democrat.
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Fixed it for you.
Thanks, I fixed my link.
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I thought Rick Astley was an Australian but it seems he is English. Ineligible to run for President. Which means he could only run as a Democrat.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: