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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: roo_ster on December 07, 2015, 05:13:32 PM
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World Map of Muslim Support of the Death Penalty for Apostasy
http://www.unz.com/akarlin/map-death-for-apostasy/
These figures were derived on the basis of the percentage of Muslims who agreed that sharia should be the law of the land, and in turn on the percentage of sharia supporters who agree with capital punishment for apostates from Islam, as prescribed in tradition...
(1) A solid majority of Muslims in Egypt support the death penalty...This probably makes liberal democracy in Egypt all but impossible: Its either the mustachioed soldiers or the bearded preachers. Choose one...
Anyone who supports the death penalty for religious apostasy is, by definition, a fundamentalist. In many, perhaps most, Muslim countries, a majority or close to a majority qualifies as such.
There are very, very big and disturbing figures.
It is highly unlikely would find more than 1% of Christians in any country supporting the death penalty for apostasy, and even that 1% would as often as not be merely trolling the pollster...
This is why apples to apples comparisons of Islamic fundamentalism to extremism in other religions and feel good slogans like #NotAllMuslims are naive and facile at best.
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unzcloud.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F11%2Fmap-death-for-apostasy-in-islam-poll.png&hash=72a45532e7f16ff94e85f8a975eaa3adc483ed85)
Big honking version of above:
http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/map-death-for-apostasy-in-islam-poll.png
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unzcloud.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F11%2Fmoderate-muslims.jpg&hash=3cedcd188eacd158840e832918a6fb00a6407d7a)
"That famous “Moderate Muslim” infographic: Not the same thing as a moderate Christian or Buddhist."
More good data at the original post.
Too many in America, when they think of "religious moderate," picture a Baptist who allows his kids to go to the high school dance, not a muslim who is just not on-board with killing someone for apostasy but is A-OK with sharia as the law of the land.
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Looks like Trump read the 2013 PEW global survey of Muslim attitudes and is suggesting the appropriate measures:
Trump Calls for 'Complete Shutdown' of Muslims Entering the U.S.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-calls-complete-shutdown-muslims-entering-u-s-n475821
Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump on Monday called for a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States," the most dramatic response yet to the string of terrorist attacks that have Americans increasingly on edge.
Trump released a statement citing polling data he says shows "there is great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim population."
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And the main stream media goes crazy..... :laugh:
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I am more and more convinced he's trolling the American conservatives.
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I am more and more convinced he's trolling the American conservatives.
Some "conservatives" need to be trolled.
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I am more and more convinced he's trolling the American conservatives *let's not go there*.
fixed dat.
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"*let's not go there*"?
The hell...?
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"*let's not go there*"?
The hell...?
Had to look it up myself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*let's not go there* (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*let's not go there*)
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I give the current US Muslim citizens the benefit of the doubt and support the protection of all their rights.
But I am opposed to importing any more Muslims into the country until this current unpleasantness is sorted out.
There is no right to immigrate to the USA.
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There is no right to immigrate to the USA.
Correct. And prospective immigrants are not under the protection of the United States Constitution unless and until they are in the United States. While they are living in East Ratkrapistan they are subject to whatever passes for a constitution in East Ratkrapistan.
Further, there didn't seem to be anything unconstitutional about establishing quarantines and travel bans when we were trying to keep Ebola out. Maybe I'm not very smart, but if we can keep Ebola out, why can't we keep out people who want to kill us?
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They didn't do a real great job of keeping ebola out either.
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They didn't do a real great job of keeping ebola out either.
Agreed. But the liberals didn't make a stink about how unconstitutional it was to try.
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On the other hand, screened and vetted Muslims have killed a whole lot more Americans than ebola did.
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Further analysis on the topic:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/428146/more-than-few-islamic-extremists
o understand the Muslim edifice of hate, imagine it as a pyramid — with broadly-shared bigotry at the bottom, followed by stair steps of escalating radicalism — culminating in jihadist armies that in some instances represent a greater share of their respective populations than does the active-duty military in the United States. The base of the pyramid, the most broadly held hatred in the Islamic
In multiple Muslim nations, overwhelming majorities of Muslims support the death penalty for apostasy or blasphemy.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/428146/more-than-few-islamic-extremists
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On the other hand, screened and vetted Muslims have killed a whole lot more Americans than ebola did.
You left out an important word:
On the other hand, allegedly screened and vetted Muslims have killed a whole lot more Americans than ebola did.
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Note the deafening silence from our usual troll.
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Don't worry about it. No one on the no-fly list will be able to buy a gun so we can let them all in. No, they won't be on the no-fly list, but you will.
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Note the deafening silence from our usual troll.
I think that is unfair.
DS does have his hobby horses and hangups and tics, but many times injects something useful. Like how Bashar Assad is the obvious choice for ruler of Syria if you think religious and ethnic minorities ought not be ethnically cleansed from Syria. Listen to the MSM and various outlets of neoconnery and all you hear is "Bashar, Baaaaaaad!" Which he is, but he is hte least bad choice. And if you don;t want every Christian & Yezedi slaughtered, Bashar is your man.
And how the last 15 years' interventionism in the ME has been an absolute disaster for American and Christian interests.
But, yeah, DS likely doesn't have much to dispute the Pew polling numbers on bloodthirsty muslims.
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"*let's not go there*"?
The hell...?
The blogger VoxDay has done much to spread the term.
http://voxday.blogspot.com/
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B018ZHHA52/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B018ZHHA52&linkCode=as2&tag=rok0f-20&linkId=Y2GJXGNJZJLPVQTQ
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not a fan of "*let's not go there*" as it has some very ugly racial connotations, and in fact originates with the internet white supremacy community. IIRC it was used to describe Erick Erickson because he adopted a black child (or children).
Though I do understand the immediate draw when one first reads it.
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It's not in my vernacular either.
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not a fan of "*let's not go there*" as it has some very ugly racial connotations, and in fact originates with the internet white supremacy community. IIRC it was used to describe Erick Erickson because he adopted a black child (or children).
Though I do understand the immediate draw when one first reads it.
Meh, to hell with the simpering crapweasel "racsim"-flingers who do not like to be accurately described. They react so violently and the accusation cuts so deep because it is true.
I suspect the "conservatives" so associated with political/social/cultural cuckoldry are stealing from the lefty playbook and screaming "racism" in order to shut the other side up and avoid having to answer for standing by while lefties and their auxiliaries rape and steal the patrimony of Americans.
Besides, "cuckold" is old. Like, "There are statues in big museums sculpted by Italian renaissance masters depicting the horned cuckold" old.
After all, throughout history, the “cuckold” has typically been viewed as a fool, lacking in wit, power and general masculine wherewithal. It’s believed that the image of a cuckold as horned fool dates back to a legend of European villagers donning horns and parading around to humiliate betrayed husbands.
Symbolism, Imagery, Allegory
No—it's not a play on the word "horny." But it could very well have been—Shakespeare is all about the innuendo. "Horns" in Shakespeare's time symbolized that your wife was cheating on you; you were a cuckold.
Horns show up consistently in the play as a symbol of marriage (and the idea of a husband being whipped in marriage). Horns are an interesting symbol, because while they’re used in this context to denote a whipped guy, they’re also a thing that wild beasts have.
Don Pedro jokes about the "savage bull" with horns at the beginning of the play when Benedick refuses to marry (and again when Benedick has chosen to marry after all):
BENEDICK The savage bull may; but if ever the sensible Benedick bear it, pluck off the bull's horns and set them in my forehead, and let me be vilely painted, and in such great letters as they write "Here is good horse to hire," let them signify under my sign "Here you may see Benedick the married man." (1.1.257-262)
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I have a useless liberal arts degree, so I'm familiar with the origins of the word.
This was what clued me in, do with it what you will.
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/358061.php
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I have a useless liberal arts degree, so I'm familiar with the origins of the word.
This was what clued me in, do with it what you will.
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/358061.php
If the left succeeds in completely balkanizing the USA into grievance groups they may not like how it ends up.
So just how long do the Caucasian crowd sit on their hands and let the post modern crowd organize people by class and race against them without responding in kind?
If it comes I'll be sitting that "civil" war out someplace in the boonies thank you very much.
Interestingly enough though, I just heard on the radio that there is actually a surprising amount of support for Trump among Blacks and US Mexicans.
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I have a useless liberal arts degree, so I'm familiar with the origins of the word.
This was what clued me in, do with it what you will.
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/358061.php
The word #*let's not go there* is so offensive to the republican establishment (you know the one that says they are going to shrink government and stop illegal immigration but never do?) that they will go to great lengths to smear anyone who uses the perjorative term against them.
Screw the weasels, if their only response is to paint their former supporters as neo-nazis, then I hope they enjoy unemployment. Until someone can prove different, the term is a perfect fit to people like boehner, ryan, mcconnel, graham, and large numbers of others who talk a conservative game then go sit impotently in whatever corner the left tells them to while the left has its way with the american people.
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I have a useless liberal arts degree, so I'm familiar with the origins of the word.
This was what clued me in, do with it what you will.
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/358061.php
People outside the political mainstream use some of the same political vernacular that folks inside the mainstream do...and may very well be on the same side of some issues as are regular folks. If I were wearing pearls, I would not have the urge to clutch them right about now.
As for the Ace of Spades fellow, he seems more concerned that folk on the left think him a swell guy than anything else. That is a good recipe for impotence.
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I don't need a silly name to describe the objects of my derision.
Republican Establishment works just fine.
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As for the Ace of Spades fellow, he seems more concerned that folk on the left think him a swell guy than anything else. That is a good recipe for impotence.
You deffo need to read more ace of spades.
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You deffo need to read more ace of spades.
Used to back around 2001 and on for a while. Got tired of the warbloggers after that.
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Used to back around 2001 and on for a while. Got tired of the warbloggers after that.
Hard to believe it's been that long.
And on the DS comment, My problem is that he injects his BS into any thread but the ones actually addressing his Favorite Topic Ever. I grow tired of being called a paranoid racist every time it's (correctly) assumed the Hajis are up to no good.
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"*let's not go there*"?
The hell...?
It's an ugly word; kinda reminiscent of "cocksucker" even tho' the etymology is totally different. I like it.
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I don't need a silly name to describe the objects of my derision.
Republican Establishment works just fine.
This. It is possibly the stupidest political insult of all time.
But I'ma let you finish...
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Hard to believe it's been that long.
And on the DS comment, My problem is that he injects his BS into any thread but the ones actually addressing his Favorite Topic Ever. I grow tired of being called a paranoid racist every time it's (correctly) assumed the Hajis are up to no good.
Pointing out basic facts (like that Syria's dictatorship is secular, not religious) is not an injection of bs.
Roo sters chart is hard to argue. The problem is that when you dig into the cause, it's impossible to deny the role of Saudi cash in bringing about that state of affairs in the Muslim world.
The answer to the question "why are many religious Muslims practicing extremism?" Isn't "because that's islam." The answer is "because extremists control all the cash in Muslim hands, and they do so specifically because of their alliance with the United States and Britain."
Your tax dollars are paying for people to learn this.
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More hatefacts:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/christophermassie/democratic-congresswoman-i-got-stats-on-muslims-from-harvard#.vpeJeZzb8
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Pointing out basic facts (like that Syria's dictatorship is secular, not religious) is not an injection of bs.
Roo sters chart is hard to argue. The problem is that when you dig into the cause, it's impossible to deny the role of Saudi cash in bringing about that state of affairs in the Muslim world.
The answer to the question "why are many religious Muslims practicing extremism?" Isn't "because that's islam." The answer is "because extremists control all the cash in Muslim hands, and they do so specifically because of their alliance with the United States and Britain."
Your tax dollars are paying for people to learn this.
That is a significant cause, but insufficient to explain it. It is also part and parcel of the old anti-colonialist view that swarthy and brown and black people have no agency and can only re-act to the actions of America or the West.
Factors, in estimated order of significance.
1. "Extreme" Islam is orthodox Islam.
The art and statue-destroying, infidel raping, and head-chopping muslims have the better argument that their reading and application of the Koran, Hadith and such are closer than those of muslims who are not queer-defenestrating head-choppers. Without Islam, there is no Islam of any sort, from butterflies-and-korandy-canes Islam to crucify the infidels Islam. You can see the power of this in the figures above. Mayeb only a small number of muslims will act, but they have broad support by those who agree with them.
2. Contemporary commo both electronic and physical
Seeing how Islam is done in Mecca and actually doing it while visiting has a profound, homogenizing influence on Islam. Quirky heterodox Islam that developed over the last 1300 years in particular locations out from under the influence of the guardians of muslim orthodoxy is fading relative to the real deal as muslims can see the real deal on their screens or in person.
3. Petrodollars
Saudis and such do not need the gov't of the USA & UK to make gigabucks selling Texas Tea. Along with those discretionary dollars comes the desire to spend some on one's religion.
4. The Saudi / Petro-Muslim Example
Saudis and wildly rich petromuslims live the life many muslims think they ought: a life of leisure on top with their lessers--especially non-muslims--doing all the heavy lifting.
5. US, UK, and Western (Im)Moral Support
Close ties with petromuslims has given them legitimacy and cover. And has likely kept many, many attempts at their replacement stillborn.
6. US, UK, and Western Monetary Support
Yep, our tax dollars have been spent in support of the Saudi and Gulf Arab regimes. I think this less significant than the above, to include the gassy words and actions in support of petromuslims. Main reason is that the huge military subsidies and access to western military tech are wasted on Arabs organized into state armies.
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Used to back around 2001 and on for a while. Got tired of the warbloggers after that.
You should definitely go back and look around.