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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: 230RN on July 27, 2017, 05:34:48 AM
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On cleaning my carry Smith, I found the Internal Lock System (ILS) had flipped over to "safe" (really "unsafe") condition. I shoot fairly heavy recoiling +P loads in it. I had been carrying it that way for an unknown, but probably long time.
I'm sure my face turned white on that discovery, then red from anger at Smith and the numb nuts who required that "safety" device.
There are some very good articles on how to remove the little plate and I have made arrangements for Son2 to do that operation for me some time in the future since I don't trust my fine motor skills any more.
In the meantime, I have "heard" that Loctite can be used to hold that little plate in the unlocked position. I would like to do that as a stopgap measure. However, I can't seem to find any detailed references to this beyond statements such as "use Locktite."
Or nail polish or whatever.
Seems simple enough, but does anyone have any real practical experience with that glue-down method?
Terry, 230RN
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I've only heard of the lock engaging on the very light scandium J-frames and big scandium N-frames, both with heavy recoiling (magnum) ammo.
Rather than loctiting anything, I'd either remove the mechanism and have the empty hole or remove the mech and get one of the purpose-made plugs.
With loctite, you risk affecting something else.
Chris
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Would S&W warranty service help you out with that?
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I am not sure how Loctite would work, but as a stop gap it may hold for a while. Of course the best option is to replace it with a filler plug.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/accessories-misc-sale-trade/527758-s-w-lock-delete-plug-hand-different-style-made-arizona-original-precision.html
bob
eta: You carry a wheel gun!?!?!? I am not sure whether that is really cool or if you are really old. ;)
says Bob who carrys a S&W 610 more often than not.
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Buy a Glock. ;)
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eta: You carry a wheel gun!?!?!? I am not sure whether that is really cool or if you are really old. ;)
says Bob who carrys a S&W 610 more often than not.
I have kept track, and I carry my Ruger LCR more frequently than the other eighteen handguns in the safe.
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Buy a Glock. ;)
Or just get the better gun to start with and buy a CZ. =)
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I've only heard of the lock engaging on the very light scandium J-frames and big scandium N-frames, both with heavy recoiling (magnum) ammo.
Rather than loctiting anything, I'd either remove the mechanism and have the empty hole or remove the mech and get one of the purpose-made plugs.
With loctite, you risk affecting something else.
Chris
That's one of my concerns, as well as which version of Loctite to use as a stopgap measure until I get together with Son2 for the removal operation.
As far as using yet another external "device" to lock it up and cover the hole, I prefer the long-term choice of removing the actuating mechanism altogether. Afterward, plugging the hole with just some kind of plain old "something" is the next problem down the road.
Chewing gum?
I do carry a belted semiauto in addition to the revolvolator in a pocket in cooler weather. What really pisses me off is that (supposedly) a revolvolator is more reliable than a semi, yet this effing ILS (FILS) renders that concept kaput.
I don't think Smith would handle this under some kind of repair policy. That's kind of hard to imagine, and I intensely dislike shipping guns around the country in these latter days of more intense paranoid regulation on that kind of thing. The last time I had to send a gun back, in days of yore, it was mail it to 'em, wait, get it back in the mail, and that was that.
Yes, I'm an old-timer (78+ yo), and I remember those shining days. Nowadays, the fusseration and frustration of moving guns (EEEK!) around the country is a pain in the ass. And expensive.
Besides, it took Smith many many many decades to finally recognize that the little cutout on the forcing cone was a design defect --just as this little doohickey is.
Terry
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I'm disappointed in this thread. I thought it was going to be a how to in keeping Hillary Clinton quiet.
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I'm disappointed in this thread. I thought it was going to be a how to in keeping Hillary Clinton quiet.
We know it can be done. She didn't say boo at the Javits Center.
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To dispel confusion... perhaps for our foreign readers... the "Hillary Hole" is the tiny hole above the cylinder latch through which the locking mechanism is accessed with a tiny key:
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Floungecdn.luckygunner.com%2Flounge%2Fmedia%2F686-lock-600x337.jpg&hash=bf7cf661682f93f5909672a01094b18b27692ea4)
The term is used because of Ms. Hillary Clinton's supposed role in demanding this extra totally unneeded "safety" on revolvers. This may be unfair, but the term Hillary Hole is standard slang terminology among gunnies here in the U.S.
Perhaps it was unwise of me to use that slang term in the thread title. :D >:D
ETA changed thread title ~1:30 PM MDT 28 Jul 17
With my abject apologies to Ms. Clinton for the shameful use of that terminology, I remain your devoted servant,
Terry, 230RN
Pic credit in properties, and thanks for the excellent photograph
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I removed all of mine. Easy to do. My one loctite gun experience went like this. Dial timney trigger in perfect. Remove setscrews while counting turns, apply loctite and reinstall. Yay! Perfect trigger forever! Well, perhaps a little anaerobic adhesive wandered a bit. Hello thirty pound trigger.
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Thanks, Joe. That was what I was afraid of... but it still beats a thirty-ton trigger.
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Perhaps it was unwise of me to use that slang term in the thread title. :D >:D
Yes. Especially since I misread "loctite" as "lactating" and damn near lost my cookies. [barf]
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I could think of worse places to install a couple gallons of Loctite.
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Yes. Especially since I misread "loctite" as "lactating" and damn near lost my cookies. [barf]
Porn so weird even the Germans and Japs skipped it. Gee thanks, now none of us has cookies while we ponder. Which hole?
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Do put some Loctite on the cylinder release screw at any rate; having it loosen up can lock up the revolver badly.
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I'm disappointed in this thread. I thought it was going to be a how to in keeping Hillary Clinton quiet.
Or sterile?
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Oh, drat. I went in and changed the thread title. Rule 34 has been confirmed. I honestly did not catch on to the other implications of the term "hole," it being a common slang term for that internal safety lock.
Terry "Not a prude, but..." 230RN
REF:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rule%2034
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Is there any potential legal ramifications to altering a revolver in this way?
While people involved with firearms know that most revolvers do not have this additional lock, what if - in the unfortunate and unlikely event of a self defense shooting - a prosecutor uses your deliberate defeating of a factory safety measure to attack your character or show premeditation?
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Is there any potential legal ramifications to altering a revolver in this way?
While people involved with firearms know that most revolvers do not have this additional lock, what if - in the unfortunate and unlikely event of a self defense shooting - a prosecutor uses your deliberate defeating of a factory safety measure to attack your character or show premeditation?
Not to say it could never happen, but given this kind of lock would always be disabled prior to carry regardless, I would say it is as likely as you being criticized for throwing away the gun lock that came with a gun.
Maybe more chance of being found liable in the case of an accidental shooting though?
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Is there any potential legal ramifications to altering a revolver in this way?
While people involved with firearms know that most revolvers do not have this additional lock, what if - in the unfortunate and unlikely event of a self defense shooting - a prosecutor uses your deliberate defeating of a factory safety measure to attack your character or show premeditation?
I wouldn't sell it without restoring it myself.