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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Grandpa Shooter on July 31, 2021, 09:27:31 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wIhXsxGkNo
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I dunno.
The video was uploaded on July 30 of this year, but the "news" about hospitals cancelling all but emergency surgeries, and those new hospitalization numbers, look a lot more like what was happening a year or 15 months ago, at the height of the original pandemic, and when nobody had a handle on the situation.
That newscast could have been recorded any time -- there's no time or date stamp on it.
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Hospitals over capacity and cancelling elective surgeries due to COVID is a very real thing in some parts of the country right now, due to the Delta variant.
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Hospitals over capacity and cancelling elective surgeries due to COVID is a very real thing in some parts of the country right now, due to the Delta variant.
So we ARE back to where we were a year ago, then?
That's not happy news.
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https://www.texastribune.org/2021/07/29/texas-covid-19-hospitals/
https://idahocapitalsun.com/2021/07/28/idahos-icus-are-filling-up-again-this-time-patients-are-in-their-30s/
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/07/20/central-florida-hospitals-close-to-icu-capacity-as-covid-19-cases-increase/
https://austintexas.gov/news/urgent-action-needed-community-number-staffed-icu-beds-reaches-critical-levels
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article252886768.html
https://missouriindependent.com/2021/07/14/as-covid-causes-hospitals-to-fill-springfield-asks-missouri-for-temporary-care-site/
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But are the Tik tok stripper nurses back? It’s not a real crises until then.
And last time didn’t hospitals artificially close rooms so they could inflate the “ermagahd we are at full capacity!” numbers?
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I didn't comment on my post because I wanted more time to think on it. I went out and mowed about half our pasture and came in for a break and some water and started a post with my thoughts and made a typo and when I went to correct myself, somehow deleted what I was typing. So I said the heck with it and went back out to mow some more. Then it started raining so I came back in and sat down to try to restate what I started to say. But now I am so tired I just want to know, does this mean I have to stock up on toilet paper, paper towels, canned goods, rice and beans again? We have a good pantry and could likely live out of it for a couple months, but essential goods, not so much. The two storage cabinets in the back hall aren't bulging yet, so I guess I need to go stock up after supper.
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So we ARE back to where we were a year ago, then?
That's not happy news.
In a way, that would be good news. In a way. It would mean that lockdowns, and all the other heavy-handed nonsense don't work, and can safely be abandoned.
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In a way, that would be good news. In a way. It would mean that lockdowns, and all the other heavy-handed nonsense don't work, and can safely be abandoned.
I agree that the "heavy-handed nonsense" as you put it, didn't work. However, do you really believe that the wannabe dictator governors won't reimpose lockdowns, social distancing and face mask requirements?
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If the general public were as aware of the healthcare staffing crisis as are the healthcare employees, it would be front page news and calls for government action. When you or a loved one go to the hospital, you expect to receive prompt and appropriate care. This is not now the case in many areas of the country.
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I agree that the "heavy-handed nonsense" as you put it, didn't work. However, do you really believe that the wannabe dictator governors won't reimpose lockdowns, social distancing and face mask requirements?
They are already starting to. Here in Ky and other places in the news, are already doing it. I guess I'll go stock up now, before the craziness starts.
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In a way, that would be good news. In a way. It would mean that lockdowns, and all the other heavy-handed nonsense don't work, and can safely be abandoned.
And in another way, it points out that virtually all the patients now being admitted for COVID were not vaccinated.
ETA: https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/31/health/fully-vaccinated-people-breakthrough-hospitalization-death/index.html
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And in another way, it points out that virtually all the patients now being admitted for COVID were not vaccinated.
Not vaccinated, or not vaccinated AND it's their first case of covid? That is two different populations.
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https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210513/over-_99-percent-hospitalized-2021-covid-patients-unvaccinated
If you don't think things will go straight back into lockdown, you haven't been paying attention to what has been going on in France. I think they are on their 6th wave. Unless you think the virus is different then it means we are not going to be over it quick, actually because the US is so spread out and yes, because we have vaccine hesitancy it's going to take us years to get through the equivalent of those 6 waves. Lots of people in France are vaccine hesitant too but not as many and lots of them are protesting their vaccine passport but they probably won't be able to stop it.
Because of the CDC recommendation on masks I am already seeing the changes. The library system used to require masks only for unvaccinated people and as of today it's back to 100% masks for everyone. And it's only the beginning of August...
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So, are these new masks certified to block the particles?
As an essential retail employee, Karen is VERY disappointed that I'm not dead.
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https://www.heraldnet.com/news/spitters-its-time-for-everyone-to-mask-up-indoors-again/
The current state of my county. I expect mandatory masking to resume due to the unvaccinated population, either by government order or private business requirements.
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https://www.heraldnet.com/news/spitters-its-time-for-everyone-to-mask-up-indoors-again/
The current state of my county. I expect mandatory masking to resume due to the unvaccinated population, either by government order or private business requirements.
It isn't "due to the unvaccinated population". It is because they are govt bureaucrats and want the Govt to do "something" even if it is largely ineffective. They realize they can't put a vaccination status collar around everyone's neck which may be a small blessing.
“The best way to make sure everyone who is unvaccinated wears a mask is just for everyone to wear a mask,” Spitters said. “The sign at the front door saying ‘If you’re unvaccinated please wear a mask,’ while well intended, is just not effective.”
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^^^I suspect the unvaccinated population will be cited as one of the reasons for new mandates. The Washington governor is already making noises about this.
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https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210513/over-_99-percent-hospitalized-2021-covid-patients-unvaccinated
If you don't think things will go straight back into lockdown, you haven't been paying attention to what has been going on in France. I think they are on their 6th wave. Unless you think the virus is different then it means we are not going to be over it quick, actually because the US is so spread out and yes, because we have vaccine hesitancy it's going to take us years to get through the equivalent of those 6 waves. Lots of people in France are vaccine hesitant too but not as many and lots of them are protesting their vaccine passport but they probably won't be able to stop it.
Because of the CDC recommendation on masks I am already seeing the changes. The library system used to require masks only for unvaccinated people and as of today it's back to 100% masks for everyone. And it's only the beginning of August...
At this point nearly everyone has atleast has had the opportunity to take the vaccination, and can still get it. It should no longer be the responsibility of those who are "vaxxed" to protect those who are not.
GET VAXXED!!!!
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^^^I suspect the unvaccinated population will be cited as one of the reasons for new mandates. The Washington governor is already making noises about this.
Yeah, they will get us on the boxcars one way or the other.
Gotta deflect blame on someone. Scapegoats be we.
I don't trust a word out of any government or mainstream media source. Or most doctors. They are pushing a political agenda.
And I have been hearing in multiple places of "vaccinated " people getting the virus. Both on the web and amazingly the CDC even said so recently. And the "vaccinated" are giving it to other "vaccinated" people. The masks are stupid- ineffective, shown by study pre-hysteria and also by mask-no mask examinations of case counts in different mandating counties with comparable populations.
If the "vaccine" actually protects , and someone is worried about corona, just get the shots. But don't spend all year telling us how effective the jab is, and then turn around and tell us it does not work because some person somewhere did not get jabbed.
It either works, or it does not.
IMO, This entire episode is a scam , every treatment option other than the big pharma $$$$$$$ meds censored, all the data corrupted ,the adverse effects of the jab denied, obfuscation all the way down in order to steal our civil liberties.
They are going to double and triple down and have us living in a cellblock before this is over. Hear what they are doing in Australia?
The virus is real, but insignificant to the survival of a civilization. It has been weaponized as a propaganda/fear tool to impose control. This fear/control method is as old as humanity and it astounds me people can't see it.
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At this point nearly everyone has atleast has had the opportunity to take the vaccination, and can still get it. It should no longer be the responsibility of those who are "vaxxed" to protect those who are not.
GET VAXXED!!!!
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If vaccinations went to 100%, do you think it would all go away? If so, you have a higher opinion of our govt bureaucrats and politicians than I do.
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What gets me is that now people seem to think that a VERY ineffective solution (the mask) is more effective than the science-based vaccine.
And... Seems like there are -cases- but again, about the only folks who die with it are people who are already hanging out in death's waiting room.
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The virus is real, but insignificant to the survival of a civilization. It has been weaponized as a propaganda/fear tool to impose control. This fear/control method is as old as humanity and it astounds me people can't see it.
This, in spades.
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GET VAXXED!!!!
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No.
The US is one of the only first world countries to insist on vaccines both for those who haven't had and have had covid. The more peer reviewed research that I read (and sadly much of it comes from international researchers because the MSM and big tech seem to put a lid on it here), the more evidence I see that this covid results in the same robust immunity as SARS/covid1, which is to say likely lifetime.
Unless this vaccination craze ends up creating a platform for significant virus mutation, in which case neither the vaccinated who have never had covid, nor those with natural immunity are safe from a significant mutation.
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Yeah. Just keep telling me the vax is effective. Sure, I'll believe you eventually. Uh-huh.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html
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https://www.vhha.com/communications/virginia-hospital-covid-19-data-dashboard/ (https://www.vhha.com/communications/virginia-hospital-covid-19-data-dashboard/) We all gonna die!!! VHHA was putting up ICU capacity stats but they are gone, that can only mean they are empty.
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Yeah. Just keep telling me the vax is effective. Sure, I'll believe you eventually. Uh-huh.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html
No argument for or against the vaccine from this data. in terms of judging the efficacy of the vaccine, this is nonsense. Literal noise. I believe it's an example of Simpsons paradox. Yet it's been a hobby of the media to post the % of hospitalized people as if it's meaningful, fully knowing that their readers will not be able to draw correct conclusions from the numbers. If there were any accountability (ha!) they would be punished for posting these numbers at all.
You cannot judge vaccine efficacy by % of hospitalized people that are vaccinated. You also need to know something (a lot actually) about the vaccine rates in the population, and also specifically in the sub-population coming in for hospitalization.
If we had a city with 100.0% vaccination rate and the vaccine was say 99% effective we might still have people coming into the hospital, and by definition 100% of the hospitalized people would be vaccinated. It doesn't mean anything against the efficacy of the vaccine.
Similarly if we have 80% of a certain city vaccinated but the 20% of the population that's not vaccinated are all black, let's say for example, and everyone being admitted to the hospital is black, technically we will have 100% if the people hospitalized being unvaccinated, and technically that doesn't mean the vaccine works either! It could be that the vaccines are actually sugar water, and totally ineffective, and it just so happens that the outbreak is happening around people that are vaccinated at a lower rate than the general population, and the people who are vaccinated are all working from home or something, so they aren't getting it. You literally cannot tell much from %hospitalized who are vaccinated alone.
For the record, I think the vaccines seem pretty effective. Recently Cleveland clinic published that 99.7% of its hospitalizations were unvaccinated, and the overall vaccination rate for Ohio is/was about 45%. To me this is a strong indicator that vaccines are working but it proves nothing by itself and we would need to know a lot more about how vaccines are distributed in the population at large, a lot more about how the hospitalized population demographics and contact patterns, and mixing patterns within the two. Some studies show very limited physical mixing between political factions and between classes, and also we can assume distribution of vaccines is similarly split between political factions and classes. So if the highly vaccinated people are just staying away from the unvaccinated people then it can explain why we might see one hospital with 99% unvaccinated admissions and one hospital with 84% vaccinated admissions.
What matters is what are my chances of the vaccine protecting me. The best data is a controlled study which was done with about 40,000 randomized, placebo controlled people during the vaccine trials, which showed good effectiveness, like essentially 100% against death, 90%+ for hospitalization and 70% for getting symptoms but all the vaccines are slightly different. The question is what is it against delta variant now and I think we need another controlled trial to know.
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The data published Friday was based on 469 cases of Covid associated with multiple summer events and large public gatherings held in July in Barnstable County, Massachusetts, which encompasses Cape Cod and is just outside Martha’s Vineyard. The events were held in Provincetown, according to NBC News. Approximately three-quarters, or 74%, of the cases occurred in fully vaccinated people who had completed a two-dose course of the mRNA vaccines or received a single shot of Johnson & Johnson’s.
Roughly 97% of new hospitalizations and 99.5% of deaths in the U.S. are among unvaccinated individuals, U.S. health officials repeated this week.
IMO, there are two problems. First, the vaccine is not full proof. Second, the rate of hospitalization is very low in the first place so that makes it harder to get much out of the numbers in the first place.
That said, if your hypothetical was true and hospitals were filling up with vaccinated people, that would be an issue even if the overall numbers were low compared to the population.
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Lets take a break for a minute.
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If vaccinations went to 100%, do you think it would all go away? If so, you have a higher opinion of our govt bureaucrats and politicians than I do.
I don't think THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN - - - - - - oooops, covid19 is going to go away. I think that it will likely mutate into a E or F variant that will be more like a common cold and not as fatal as the current versions, and be around until Armageddon 2.0 gets us all.
I have every faith in both bureaucrats and politicians - - - to lie to us, sc**w us over, ignore us, berate us, insult us, and in multiple ways, make our lives just generally miserable ..... assuming, that is, that they let us live to begin with .. :-[.
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No.
The US is one of the only first world countries to insist on vaccines both for those who haven't had and have had covid. The more peer reviewed research that I read (and sadly much of it comes from international researchers because the MSM and big tech seem to put a lid on it here), the more evidence I see that this covid results in the same robust immunity as SARS/covid1, which is to say likely lifetime.
Unless this vaccination craze ends up creating a platform for significant virus mutation, in which case neither the vaccinated who have never had covid, nor those with natural immunity are safe from a significant mutation.
Seriously, only YOU can determine if YOU need to be vaccinated. If you have had, and recovered from THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN - - - - -oooops, covid19, then >I < would not take it, as I've heard it can cause a bad reaction.
OTOH, I have not had the beer disease ( :angel: ) and at my age and condition, I thought it wise to get the "jab." Two, actually, the Phyzer. No problem , just an achy shoulder for the rest of the day.
As I said in the immediate prior post, I believe this will evolve into a variant that is less fatal. I think this is already happening in the D variant, which is @ 1/6th as fatal, but much more transmissable.
I suppose it could mutate into something more like THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN. [popcorn] If it does I want to call dibs on the movie rights!!!!!! [tinfoil]
Until then I am not going to panic ..... which is I think what our puppet master overlords want us to do. But I ain't no myrmidon. >:D
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At this point nearly everyone has atleast has had the opportunity to take the vaccination, and can still get it. It should no longer be the responsibility of those who are "vaxxed" to protect those who are not.
GET VAXXED STUFFED!!!!
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FIFY !! >:D
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FIFY !! >:D
Sensitive, aren't we??? ;/ ;)
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Lets take a break for a minute.
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So stolen!
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So... How are those influenza numbers this year?
Things to consider...
The 'Rona v. 1.0 was VERY contagious, right? So a lot of people had it, and beat it like a rented stepchild... Now, this is even more contagious... And I'm guessing that about as many folks have managed to catch it and beat it.
And I'm wondering about how many of the "hospitalizations" are for anything more than "We're gonna keep you overnight, because we can bill that insurance company."
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Sensitive, aren't we??? ;/ ;)
Not really. It is just that I disliked being "ordered" to be somebody's "guinea pig". I know, they call it the "practice of medicine" but let them "practice" on themselves and not ME !!
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OTOH, I have not had the beer disease ( :angel: ) and at my age and condition, I thought it wise to get the "jab." Two, actually, the Phyzer. No problem , just an achy shoulder for the rest of the day.
Just as my research of peer reviewed literature has cemented my decision to not get a vaccine as someone who has had the virus, that same research suggests that if I hadn't had the virus, I most likely would be vaccinated now.
The burr under my saddle is all about those of us who have attained natural immunity, but are treated like Indian Untouchables in the US covid culture.
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Yeah, if you've had and recovered from the disease you already have the antibodies. In fact, I think it's beginning to be recognized that a recovered person actually shouldn't get a vaccination. Some who have have had bad reactions.
:facepalm: Our dystopian "one size fits all" bureaucratic mentality ...... :mad: :old: :old: ;/
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Yeah, if you've had and recovered from the disease you already have the antibodies. In fact, I think it's beginning to be recognized that a recovered person actually shouldn't get a vaccination. Some who have have had bad reactions.
Not bad as in I almost died but I did feel miserable for a few days. I suspected, but no actual proof, I had had it.
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... It should no longer be the responsibility of those who are "vaxxed" to protect those who are not.
GET VAXXED!!!!
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What responsibility does someone who is vaccinated have to protect someone who isn't vaccinated?
Woody
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What responsibility does someone who is vaccinated have to protect someone who isn't vaccinated?
Woody
IMO, the only responsibility I might want someone to take up is for people who are sick to not go out and spread it around. I don't know why vaccinated or unvaccinated would have any responsibility beyond that.
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What responsibility does someone who is vaccinated have to protect someone who isn't vaccinated?
Woody
None, really, now that the vaccine is so available. That was kind of my point .... =D
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https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/every-hospital-is-quite-full-in-washington-as-delta-variant-of-coronavirus-spreads/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=owned_echobox_f&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1627960175-1
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https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/every-hospital-is-quite-full-in-washington-as-delta-variant-of-coronavirus-spreads/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=owned_echobox_f&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1627960175-1
Does anyone actually believe the Delta variant is causing all those new hospitalizations? The document I posted in another thread says that they would have to specifically test every patient to see which variant he/she has. I doubt they are doing that.
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Does anyone actually believe the Delta variant is causing all those new hospitalizations? The document I posted in another thread says that they would have to specifically test every patient to see which variant he/she has. I doubt they are doing that.
It's probably fair to believe most are, since the delta version is more easily trsnsmissable. I'm sure the original version is still around, off in a corner sulking as it watches it's new improved version take over ..... [tinfoil] [popcorn] ;)
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Does anyone actually believe the Delta variant is causing all those new hospitalizations? The document I posted in another thread says that they would have to specifically test every patient to see which variant he/she has. I doubt they are doing that.
Why would it be unbelievable that a particularly infectious variant that is not as well controlled by the existing COVID vaccines might be increasing hospitalizations?
FWIW, the Washington State hospital information is available via the Washington State COVID 19 dashboard here: https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/COVID19/DataDashboard
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As I drove into work this morning, I was interested to hear a report that more and more of the local healthcare facilities/systems in western Washington will be requiring COVID vaccination for the healthcare employees. Most systems are allowing opting out for medical or religious grounds, but otherwise, no vaccination will likely mean no work.
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I just wonder how many of the hospitalized casedemic are there because they are worth money... "We better keep you for observation. Yeah, I know it feels like a bad cold, but better safe than sorry. You like being safe, right? Everyone should be safe."
Also... Most of the cases are younger people...
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/covid-19/data/index.cfm
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If the "vaccine" actually protects , and someone is worried about corona, just get the shots. But don't spend all year telling us how effective the jab is, and then turn around and tell us it does not work because some person somewhere did not get jabbed.
It either works, or it does not.
Very few things in life are that black and white. Medicine & healthcare almost never is.
Yeah, if you've had and recovered from the disease you already have the antibodies. In fact, I think it's beginning to be recognized that a recovered person actually shouldn't get a vaccination. Some who have have had bad reactions.
Didn't Trump get the vaccine after already recovering from the disease? I suppose he may have had unique circumstances that warranted it.
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What if... the vaccine is pretty much just a placebo, and what we're seeing is basically just a summer cold?
Oh, and... the curve of cases this summer looks very similar to the curve of cases last summer...
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/covid-19/data/index.cfm
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Didn't Trump get the vaccine after already recovering from the disease? I suppose he may have had unique circumstances that warranted it.
Unique circumstances, or best available medical data at the time, or political agendas at the time. Sadly, any could have played into the decision.
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.... Didn't Trump get the vaccine after already recovering from the disease? I suppose he may have had unique circumstances that warranted it.
I think so. Probably at the time there was no evidence to show a bad reaction was possible.
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I just wonder how many of the hospitalized casedemic are there because they are worth money... "We better keep you for observation. Yeah, I know it feels like a bad cold, but better safe than sorry. You like being safe, right? Everyone should be safe."
Also... Most of the cases are younger people...
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/covid-19/data/index.cfm
Can't speak for St Louis, but in the Tampa area effectively none of the admits are like that. They are again running out of beds and medical providers, so unless you need acute care, they slap a wifi (or cellular, I'm not sure) blood O2 meter on you and send you home to isolate. They monitor your stats remotely in case the case goes bad.
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I'll keep being cynical - I know a guy from the largest hospital in the metro area who told me that most of the place was shut down during the first panics...
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I'll keep being cynical - I know a guy from the largest hospital in the metro area who told me that most of the place was shut down during the first panics...
Are you talking about BJC ?
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I just wonder how many of the hospitalized casedemic are there because they are worth money... "We better keep you for observation. Yeah, I know it feels like a bad cold, but better safe than sorry. You like being safe, right? Everyone should be safe."
Also... Most of the cases are younger people...
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/covid-19/data/index.cfm
Does anybody know if the fed.gov is still subsidizing hospitals for every covid patient they treat?
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Are you talking about BJC ?
Yup. I'm about four or five miles from there down Kingshighway. He said that most of it was a ghost town. Yeah, there were wings. But most was just shut down.
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Yup. I'm about four or five miles from there down Kingshighway. He said that most of it was a ghost town. Yeah, there were wings. But most was just shut down.
That fits what MillCreek and others have been saying all along. Namely that most of a given hospital is not ICU or Emergency and that COVID admits require specific docs, nurses, and possibly facilities/equipment. During the worst of the pandemic you might shut down the cancer ward, the dermatology clinic, etc., and still not have enough beds or trained staff for COVID patients.
The situation gets worse as the same staffing problem that is impacting your store is impacting hospitals. Too bad we have absolutely no idea what is causing it. ;/
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I wonder how many people have died/will die because of limited services due to concentrating on supercold?
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Yup. I'm about four or five miles from there down Kingshighway. He said that most of it was a ghost town. Yeah, there were wings. But most was just shut down.
I'm confused. What did you think "Canceling elective procedures and shutting down non-essential services" looked like in a hospital? You understand that even if they wanted to, and could staff it, not every room can be an infectious disease room, right?
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Hospitals need to operate at x-capacity to stay operating. And with the spectre of nosocomial transmission, pretty much every room needs to be treated as an "infectious disease" room. In the labs, if we had a bug get loose, everything went into the furnace, and the room and furnishings got a serious bleach bath. Remember the "stadium" wards, and so on, which were shut down after not being used? We had some of that here in St. Louis... Handwavium at its finest...
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Hospitals need to operate at x-capacity to stay operating. And with the spectre of nosocomial transmission, pretty much every room needs to be treated as an "infectious disease" room. In the labs, if we had a bug get loose, everything went into the furnace, and the room and furnishings got a serious bleach bath. Remember the "stadium" wards, and so on, which were shut down after not being used? We had some of that here in St. Louis... Handwavium at its finest...
That's.....not how it works. There are places where you can have effective engineering controls to prevent spread, and places where you can not. Even the stadium wards hat hot and cold sides, and controlled access and air (either controlled air, or outside). You can't just say "poof. this ortho room is safe for infectious diseases".
As for your lab protocols, what is appropriate for an accidental release is unsustainable for everyday infection control.
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I wish I'd bought a hood when the company auctioned a bunch of stuff... I could use that for parkerizing... We had both lights and alarms on the roof outside the hepa filtration system.
I don't know of any local hospitals, ranging from BJC to Mercy to SSM, who were turning away 'Rona patients.
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In local news, as a response to increased case rates, Amazon will now not bring employees back to the office until sometime in 2022, and Microsoft will require all employees returning to the office to be vaccinated.
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In local news, as a response to increased case rates, Amazon will now not bring employees back to the office until sometime in 2022, and Microsoft will require all employees returning to the office to be vaccinated.
THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN - - - ooooops, covid19 is sure feeding the fear factor. Everyone is running in circles pulling out their hair. [tinfoil] ;/ ;/ [barf]
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My workplace is going to start forcing all of us to wear those stupid masks again- even those of us that are vaccinated. ;/
Covid is never going away.
If the vaccine works, I don't need the mask.
If it doesn't, I'm going to get it no matter what I do, and I'd just as soon get it over with.
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If the vaccine works, I don't need the mask.
If the vaccine works, there's certainly no call to require anyone to wear a mask, or get a vaccine. The argument that everyone must be required to mask/vax to protect those around them - it's simply not plausible when every adult can get the vax to protect themselves.
Funny how the people assuring us the vax is effective also assure us we need mandates.
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The "cases" graphic that they have here in St. Louis looks a LOT like last summer...
I think we're up to 0.171% overall for City residents.
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THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN - - - ooooops, covid19 is sure feeding the fear factor. Everyone is running in circles pulling out their hair. [tinfoil] ;/ ;/ [barf]
You are describing "F.U.D." - Fear - Uncertainty - Despair.
This is what liberals/progressives/socialists are so good at dishing out.