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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ben on October 28, 2018, 12:29:42 PM
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I know we have these threads once in a while, to varying opinion. I like the concept of "small house" versus "tiny house" just because "tiny" is too often taken to extremes. Plus tiny houses always seem to be ridiculously priced - in a lot of the country you can by a 1500 sq ft stick built home for what a 150 sq ft tiny house goes for. Or just buy a pre-built ~800 sq ft modular home for way cheaper.
However, this Amazon thing is interesting in that the house kits, delivered to your door lot, are pretty reasonably priced. I would take #4 or #5 as vacation cabins in a heartbeat, and for a lot of people in apartments, ~400-500 sq ft is actually apartment sized, but in the right parts of the country, with "room to roam" vs adjoining neighbors.
https://www.apartmenttherapy.com/tiny-house-kits-263869
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BYN1N21/ref=sspa_dk_detail_2?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B07BYN1N21&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=f52e26da-1287-4616-824b-efc564ff75a4&pf_rd_r=S8Q4VD44QYMTARD3XDEN&pd_rd_wg=zrSOl&pf_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&pd_rd_w=7VVur&pf_rd_i=desktop-dp-sims&pd_rd_r=74e3e66b-dad2-11e8-bcf9-d56d64501878
The Avalon is nice: it includes bathroom and kitchen space. Which I consider essential for being able to live in.
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A number of years ago I spent a night in one of KOA's log cabins and I thought it was pretty nice. I found later that there are two companies who make (or made) those for KOA, and that us ordinary mortals can buy them. The larger one, with a separate bedroom, is large enough that it could include a small bathroom and a kitchen area. I liked it, but my recollection is that I thought they were overpriced.
https://conestogalogcabins.com/commerical-camping-cabin-kits/
http://www.oregontimberwerks.com/cabins.htm
https://lancasterlogcabins.com/
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I have long been interested in the tiny house concept, and some of the floor plans in Hawkmoon's links are very interesting. Some of the pictures reminded me of something: if I had a loft, I would want it accessed by stairs, not a ladder. The last thing my wife or I need is falling down the ladder at 0230 on our way to the bathroom or just getting up and down it as we get older.
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I have long been interested in the tiny house concept, and some of the floor plans in Hawkmoon's links are very interesting. Some of the pictures reminded me of something: if I had a loft, I would want it accessed by stairs, not a ladder. The last thing my wife or I need is falling down the ladder at 0230 on our way to the bathroom or just getting up and down it as we get older.
Yeah, that loft with ladder stuff is for twentysomething hipsters. If they want to also market these to "downsizing" older folks, they need to design appropriately.
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Pretty sure you could build that for a fair bit less than 33 grand.
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Wouldn't it be cheaper just to live in a van down by the river?
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Wouldn't it be cheaper just to live in a van down by the river?
You could cover the van windows with stickers for some privacy too ...
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I got the "tiny house" thing covered.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4294/35152831633_2c97efdce6_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Vyks92)
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I got the "tiny house" thing covered.
[img]https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4294/35152831633_2c97efdce6_b.jpg
(https://flic.kr/p/Vyks92)
A buddy of mine lived on his Catalina 25. About six months in he started getting sick of walking to the showers and harbor heads. He made it another six months before he got sick of not being able to stand up and finally quit it.
Of course now 30 years later he wants a tiny house. :laugh:
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For a hunting cabin or vacation (1-2 weeks), even that small one will do. I actually do like the one with the loft. Since I do dialysis, I don't have to get up and go pee in the middle of the night. (Or you could just bring the wide mouth Gatorade bottle up with you. Do note however that you can buy any flavour of Gatorade you wish except lemon-lime.)
We spend ten days in a camper that "sleeps 7" when we go deer hunting. I'm at one end, Robert at the other. We always seems to be in each other's way. Which is one other thing that would drive me nuts about a small or tiny house. If you ever watch the videos where they "demonstrate" where everything is, notice that it's all immaculately clean and organized. Trust me, after 3 days in the camper, it's not so clean and organized. And you have move, fold, twist, bend, turn, close and other manipulate six or seven different things to get to the one thing you wanted. I'm sure at some point you'll go "I need a pen." and then turn and look and realize that not only are there the eight regular steps you'd have to go through to open the drawer with the pen in it, but because you didn't clean, organize, put away the dishes, you now have to wash, dry and put them away before you even begin on the process for getting to the drawer.
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I know we have these threads once in a while, to varying opinion. I like the concept of "small house" versus "tiny house" just because "tiny" is too often taken to extremes. Plus tiny houses always seem to be ridiculously priced - in a lot of the country you can by a 1500 sq ft stick built home for what a 150 sq ft tiny house goes for. Or just buy a pre-built ~800 sq ft modular home for way cheaper.
With the tiny houses, you're crippled in that you still need all the appliances, and you're not getting a standard cheap stove/oven, you're getting a custom smaller one, same with other appliances.
Then there is that it is low volumes for everything, and the price jumps.
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2 adults, one cat, 32' motorhome, 6 months - time to find a house now!
Tiny house - no way in hell! 2,000 sqft is small enough thank you. (Could use another 500 sqft or so)
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You can find cabin kits that are larger for that much.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1592-sq-ft-10-swedish-coped-log-home-package-with-26x30garage/140917815371
Or how about a metal arch you can then build in
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Steel-S20x30x14-Made-in-USA-Prefab-Metal-Arch-Storage-Building-Garage-Barn-Kit/332837011387?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131231084308%26meid%3Debea705d407f43e4a3f3cee0e15ca104%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D140917815371%26itm%3D332837011387&_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109
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I'm still trying to figure out where you put the furnace and AC in those tiny houses.
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I'm still trying to figure out where you put the furnace and AC in those tiny houses.
They're small enough it's probably a window unit or ductless heatpump.
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I'm still trying to figure out where you put the furnace and AC in those tiny houses.
HVAC causes global warming, man! Reduce your carbon footprint by opening a window.
Do those tiny houses have windows that open?
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This is my version of the perfect tiny house: http://murphycodesign.com/new-homes/the-gatehouse
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This is my version of the perfect tiny house: http://murphycodesign.com/new-homes/the-gatehouse
That one is really cool.
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They're small enough it's probably a window unit or ductless heatpump.
Too cold in jan/Feb here for a heat pump.
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Too cold in jan/Feb here for a heat pump.
Some of these smaller places would be just right for a heat pump with a wood or pellet stove. A couple of logs would probably keep the place warm all day. :laugh:
Though probably a couple of oil-filled heaters would take care of those small spaces for not much cost.
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Houses that small and energy efficient would be perfect for in floor radiant electric.
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I would love a replica off a stone CCC cabin for a vacation house.
I have found a website that actually has plans for CCC buildings:
https://www.tsl.texas.gov/apps/arc/CCCDrawings/index.php?accNumber=&title=cabin&year=&architect=&parkName=&dosearch=Search
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I'm still trying to figure out where you put the furnace and AC in those tiny houses.
Wood stove for heating and cooking....hence the desire for a loft.
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I find myself wondering how any traditional stone or log cabin house can possibly be in compliance with the current energy code -- which I believe is mandated by the federal government even in jurisdictions that don't have otherwise strict building codes for houses.
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I would love a replica off a stone CCC cabin for a vacation house.
I have found a website that actually has plans for CCC buildings:
"CCC" ... translation, please?
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Civilian conservation corps
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Civilian Conservation Corps.
Part of the Depression-era New Deal.
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Ooh. My wife was talking about something along these lines for a office/studio, since we have zero workspace for her in our house.
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I have seen some gorgeous stone cabins and other structures in Washington state parks and other state facilities. They were generally built with rounded river rock from that location all painstakingly fitted and mortared together.
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Wood stove for heating and cooking....hence the desire for a loft.
One of the places where I put in an offer in Idaho had the killer wood cookstove/oven in the kitchen. Of course they specifically had a notation they were taking it with them when they moved, even though it must have weighed a million pounds.
I would love to have one of those as the main wood stove. The one in that house was placed just at the edge of the kitchen in an open floorplan, so it was a great location to actually use it for cooking, and also to distribute heat through most of the house.
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I'm still trying to figure out where you put the furnace and AC in those tiny houses.
In our 30' travel trailer, the furnace was the size of a suitcase and fit under the couch. It had floor ducts in each room and was quite cozy, even in sub-zero weather.
No tiny houses for us, though. We lived in that trailer for 11 months while the house was being built. When we moved into the new house, my wife said "I'm done camping". Three minute showers and a stove way too small to actually cook on. And if you did make a pot of soup in the winter, every window was dripping with condensation.
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Ooh. My wife was talking about something along these lines for a office/studio, since we have zero workspace for her in our house.
That seems to be a popular option nowadays for people with the space. You get a detached workspace to kind of separate yourself from work and home, and it can double as a guest house to give both you and your guests some space.
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One of the places where I put in an offer in Idaho had the killer wood cookstove/oven in the kitchen. Of course they specifically had a notation they were taking it with them when they moved, even though it must have weighed a million pounds.
I would love to have one of those as the main wood stove. The one in that house was placed just at the edge of the kitchen in an open floorplan, so it was a great location to actually use it for cooking, and also to distribute heat through most of the house.
I was thinking of something like this:
https://www.shoptinyhouses.com/products/spruce-cylinder-stove-by-colorado-cylinder-stoves?variant=1055245041691&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&gclid=CjwKCAjw39reBRBJEiwAO1m0OdWhB2QuAoX1657jm8kHOA53eGFcG2DnWVc_AwfUdLhLMBd8bMgq6BoCP4EQAvD_BwE
The standard wood burning stove from the 1800's would be a little on the large size for a tiny house/cabin. Again, I'm looking at it from the perspective of a hunting cabin/vacation home in the woods. Not for "Let's live here until we die" perspective. =D =D
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I was thinking of something like this:
https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/colorado-cylinder-stoves-stove-mat-tent-shield?a=1312991&pm2d=CSE-SPG-15-PLA&utm_medium=PLA&utm_source=Google&utm_campaign=CI&gclid=CjwKCAjw39reBRBJEiwAO1m0OW1Sxd_bou-Hx8CupLoQzU9yw_yfHgTMeAc4NBTp-1Z-94UEZilWYBoCHWwQAvD_BwE
The standard wood burning stove from the 1800's would be a little on the large size for a tiny house/cabin. Again, I'm looking at it from the perspective of a hunting cabin/vacation home in the woods. Not for "Let's live here until we die" perspective. =D =D
Yeah, the one I saw in that house would definitely take up 25% of the space in a tiny house. :laugh:
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I love the idea of the tiny house but I suspect I would hate the reality of living in one. I have entertained the idea of somehow, someway, putting one in my back yard and using it for guests and/or AirBnB.
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That seems to be a popular option nowadays for people with the space. You get a detached workspace to kind of separate yourself from work and home, and it can double as a guest house to give both you and your guests some space.
Yes, I have a fairly small house (~1100 sq ft) with 5 people living in it... but also just shy of 1.5 acre of land. My wife wants the barn to work in which is about 20'x20' but I need that to store the tractor, the motorcycles, and to do all of my metalworking. Her business is incorporated, so it makes sense for me to build it and have her INC rent it from me, rather than have her rent a small studio in town for a lot more money.
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I was thinking of something like this:
https://www.shoptinyhouses.com/products/spruce-cylinder-stove-by-colorado-cylinder-stoves?variant=1055245041691&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&gclid=CjwKCAjw39reBRBJEiwAO1m0OdWhB2QuAoX1657jm8kHOA53eGFcG2DnWVc_AwfUdLhLMBd8bMgq6BoCP4EQAvD_BwE
The standard wood burning stove from the 1800's would be a little on the large size for a tiny house/cabin. Again, I'm looking at it from the perspective of a hunting cabin/vacation home in the woods. Not for "Let's live here until we die" perspective. =D =D
A more vertical potbelly stove would take up less room. https://www.acehardware.com/departments/heating-and-cooling/wood-and-pellet-stoves/wood-and-pellet-stoves/4666590?x429=true&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIpoKe_r6s3gIVkQOGCh14sgv8EAQYASABEgJsCPD_BwE
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I live in an old school prefabricated tiny house.
It's called a trailer.
The thing about those tiny houses is it's only a little less for the sticker price (which doesn't include foundation), less square feet and a layout that sucks for more than one person (unless they are a very close couple) than a traditional trailer (which comes with the hot water heater, HVAC and appliances)
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A tiny house is just a trailer without the stigma
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A more vertical potbelly stove would take up less room. https://www.acehardware.com/departments/heating-and-cooling/wood-and-pellet-stoves/wood-and-pellet-stoves/4666590?x429=true&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIpoKe_r6s3gIVkQOGCh14sgv8EAQYASABEgJsCPD_BwE
Yeah, but I like to eat hot meals. With that, you can have one pan or small skillet going. On the one I linked to you can have a couple things going at different temps.
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A tiny house is just a trailer without the stigma
pretty much
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A tiny house is just a trailer without the stigma
... and on a dollars-per-square-foot basis, you're usually better off with the trailer.
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... and on a dollars-per-square-foot basis, you're usually better off with the trailer.
But is the build quality of a tiny house better than a trailer? We have several friends who own trailers and RV's, and they can tell some horror stories about them.
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My 32' boat has a solid fuel heater similar to this-https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|6880|2061076|2061078|2061091&id=48881 (https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|6880|2061076|2061078|2061091&id=48881)
That is in addition to the AC/reverse cycle heat system. I't also got a LPG 3 burner cook top/oven.
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I was thinking of something like this:
https://www.shoptinyhouses.com/products/spruce-cylinder-stove-by-colorado-cylinder-stoves?variant=1055245041691&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&gclid=CjwKCAjw39reBRBJEiwAO1m0OdWhB2QuAoX1657jm8kHOA53eGFcG2DnWVc_AwfUdLhLMBd8bMgq6BoCP4EQAvD_BwE
The standard wood burning stove from the 1800's would be a little on the large size for a tiny house/cabin. Again, I'm looking at it from the perspective of a hunting cabin/vacation home in the woods. Not for "Let's live here until we die" perspective. =D =D
We have a cast iron boxwood stove at MN deer camp, it will roast you out of a 750sq ft cabin. I found the stove for $20 on craigslist a few years ago. It replaced a oil barrel wood stove that finally burned a hole in the bottom. It likes to eat the wood since it has a small fire chamber but you can damper it down to get about 3-4 hours of heat out of it.
Cooking on a heating wood stove sucks, hard to regulate the temps. Cooking on a wood cook stove is awesome once you figure out how to run the grates, intake and damper, but you got to constantly feed it wood and it doesn't do a great job for heating since you are burning small pieces of wood.
The stove you linked to its like the stoves you use in wall tents, they consume a lot of wood for their size and don't hold heat like a heavy cast iron stoves does. Your going to be constantly feeding it wood.
Someday I do want a cabin in the woods with a wood cook stove for the winter months.
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A column stove would be perfect for a place like these.
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Drool... https://www.lehmans.com/product/waterford-stanley-irish-wood-cookstove/
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A column stove would be perfect for a place like these.
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anyone still make those?
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Can someone explain this craze, please? I mean, I get that it makes for lower utility costs, but what will you do with the money you save? You can't collect widgets (no room), make widgets (no room), and how many hobbies can you pursue, with no room to store equipment/materials/tools? Not to mention no room for kids. Is this mostly for writers, or people that do all their work on an ipad? Is it for people saving to get a real house? Is it for business owners that work 18 hours a day, and only come home to sleep, and shower? Is it for people constantly on the road?
'Cuz I live in a very small house, and it's pretty far from ideal.
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Can someone explain this craze, please? I mean, I get that it makes for lower utility costs, but what will you do with the money you save? You can't collect widgets (no room), make widgets (no room), and how many hobbies can you pursue, with no room to store equipment/materials/tools? Not to mention no room for kids. Is this mostly for writers, or people that do all their work on an ipad? Is it for people saving to get a real house? Is it for business owners that work 18 hours a day, and only come home to sleep, and shower? Is it for people constantly on the road?
'Cuz I live in a very small house, and it's pretty far from ideal.
I would want one for a weekend hunting/fishing cabin, not a primary residence. Before I got married I lived in a 2 bedroom 700 sq ft cottage, it was plenty of room for my dog and me. I'd probably be living in a place of similar size if I was still a bachelor.
I think some people are enamored by them because they want to divest themselves of crap, or work part time with a place to live they can afford. Some people just don't want kids, so buying a big house to fill with offspring isn't in their plans. Might be for folks who live in areas of high real estate prices and high rents, and a 400 sq ft tiny house without sharing a wall with neighbors sounds a lot nicer than the 400 sq ft studio apartment they are living in?
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anyone still make those?
Likely not. The benefit of a column stove is that it wouldn't take up nearly as much floor space in such a small house.
Something like this would be perfect, I'd think...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/REDUCED-Rare-German-Antique-Store-Munich-1890s-Parlor-Coal-Stove-Cast-Iron-Swobo/132820154313?_trkparms=aid%3D888007%26algo%3DDISC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131227121020%26meid%3D9234e58f81e14d44b62c9cadcb8483da%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D263891442175%26itm%3D132820154313&_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982
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My parents have a log house; it's from a Canadian company and the roof is more insulated than any other house I have personally seen. They heat it with wood-fired radiant floor heat on the first floor only. 8 inches of white cedar has a pretty good R value.
About the tiny houses; back home we have had those for a long time, except they come partially furnished and outfitted, and they have wheels so you can easily put them wherever you want to.
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1400 sq feet with a basement and 2 car garage seems about the right size to me as a single guy with a lot of gear intensive hobbies.
I’d like to have a tiny house/cabin in the wilderness though.
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"8 inches of white cedar has a pretty good R value."
Only about 10-12, actually, depending on whether it's considered a hardwood or softwood.
One of the more interesting tricks I saw on a "log cabin" was the logs, interior and exterior, were split and veneered onto a well insulated wall structure. Added to the cost and complexity, but made it much easier to run services in the walls and really cut down on the tendency of log cabins to settle a LOT.
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"8 inches of white cedar has a pretty good R value."
Only about 10-12, actually, depending on whether it's considered a hardwood or softwood.
Cedar is a softwood. And white cedar is softer than red cedar.
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One of the more interesting tricks I saw on a "log cabin" was the logs, interior and exterior, were split and veneered onto a well insulated wall structure. Added to the cost and complexity, but made it much easier to run services in the walls and really cut down on the tendency of log cabins to settle a LOT.
That's what my parents have. Maintenance sucks. Every year you have to go over the whole house with a big caulk gun, peel out any loose caulk and redo it. It needs a fresh coat of oil stain regularly too.
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I'm in climate zone 5A under the 2015 Model Energy Code and International Residential Code. The requirements for this zone are R-20 for the walls, R-49 for the ceiling, and R-30 for the floor. I just don't see how anything like a log cabin can come close to meeting that. They would be great for a camp cabin that doesn't qualify as a permanent residence, but they couldn't be built as a primary residence in this climate. Farther north, it gets worse. In zone 6 the requirements jump to R-20+5 or R-13+10 for walls, R-49 for the ceiling, and R-30 for the floor.
Those are for frame walls. There's a separate column for mass walls, which is what a log cabin would be IF the wall weighs at least 20 pounds-per-square-foot. For zone 5, mass walls require "13/17," which means (and I'll quote):
“15/19” means R-15 continuous insulation on the interior or exterior of the home or R-19 cavity insulation at the interior of the basement wall. "15/19” shall be permitted to be met with R-13 cavity insulation on the interior of the basement wall plus R-5 continuous insulation on the interior or exterior of the home. “10/13” means R-10 continuous insulation on the interior or exterior of the home or R-13 cavity insulation at the interior of the basement wall.
So you can't build a log cabin and leave the logs exposed on both the interior and the exterior.
Zone 6 for mass walls is R-15/20. Northern Michigan and northern Minnesota get into zone 7.
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I would want one for a weekend hunting/fishing cabin, not a primary residence. Before I got married I lived in a 2 bedroom 700 sq ft cottage, it was plenty of room for my dog and me. I'd probably be living in a place of similar size if I was still a bachelor.
I think some people are enamored by them because they want to divest themselves of crap, or work part time with a place to live they can afford. Some people just don't want kids, so buying a big house to fill with offspring isn't in their plans. Might be for folks who live in areas of high real estate prices and high rents, and a 400 sq ft tiny house without sharing a wall with neighbors sounds a lot nicer than the 400 sq ft studio apartment they are living in?
Yup. Plus there is some "hipster/eco" lifestyle thing about how small of a space you can use efficiently. I'm in the "hunting/fishing cabin" camp. Other than as Scout mentioned, if you've ever seen the way they design these, there are a lot of "moving walls" and stuff. In some of them it's like solving a Rubik's Cube to get to the shower.
For a cabin, I'd rather go up a couple hundred square feet and not have to solve a puzzle to take a shower. However I think one of the deals with these things is being able to move them from place to place, as there is a segment of younger people that want to be able to move their home every year or so and see new things, so they want to keep them as compact and efficient as possible. Also making them "not real houses" apparently lets them "park" on cheaper land.
And yes, I recognize that the above could also describe a motor home. :laugh:
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For a cabin, I'd rather go up a couple hundred square feet and not have to solve a puzzle to take a shower.
Cabin, I'd probably be off the grid. Solar w/battery bank. Composting/incinerating toilet or outhouse. I'd have a water buffalo to haul water into camp. Propane for range, fridge and water heater. I'm not living there year round plus an outhouse and outdoor shower scares a lot of people from inviting themselves for a week/weekend.
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Can someone explain this craze, please? I mean, I get that it makes for lower utility costs, but what will you do with the money you save? You can't collect widgets (no room), make widgets (no room), and how many hobbies can you pursue, with no room to store equipment/materials/tools? Not to mention no room for kids. Is this mostly for writers, or people that do all their work on an ipad? Is it for people saving to get a real house? Is it for business owners that work 18 hours a day, and only come home to sleep, and shower? Is it for people constantly on the road?
'Cuz I live in a very small house, and it's pretty far from ideal.
Too small for me to use for anything. My wife needs a small studio to do decor arrangements/displays and photograph them for sale along with resale stuff she does. We literally do not have a square foot to spare in the house with my stuff, her stuff, plus her inventory.
I showed her this last night along with a few other models and she went nuts over it.
I would not want to live in one.
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I'm in climate zone 5A under the 2015 Model Energy Code and International Residential Code. The requirements for this zone are R-20 for the walls, R-49 for the ceiling, and R-30 for the floor. I just don't see how anything like a log cabin can come close to meeting that. They would be great for a camp cabin that doesn't qualify as a permanent residence, but they couldn't be built as a primary residence in this climate. Farther north, it gets worse. In zone 6 the requirements jump to R-20+5 or R-13+10 for walls, R-49 for the ceiling, and R-30 for the floor.
Those are for frame walls. There's a separate column for mass walls, which is what a log cabin would be IF the wall weighs at least 20 pounds-per-square-foot. For zone 5, mass walls require "13/17," which means (and I'll quote):
So you can't build a log cabin and leave the logs exposed on both the interior and the exterior.
Zone 6 for mass walls is R-15/20. Northern Michigan and northern Minnesota get into zone 7.
Hawkmoon, I can't claim to be a code expert, but you got me wondering, because I've seen new log homes be built. So I googled "new Log Homes" which led me to this company that sells new log homes and has a handy section on energy performance: https://coventryloghomes.com/aboutUs/energyPerformance.html
They have some links on that page, but the TL:DR seems to be that log homes are exempted from the R requirements of the IECC and are rather given min wall thicknesses based on region. There's a PDF (https://coventryloghomes.com/downloads/Understanding%20the%20Energy%20Code%20and%20Log%20Homes.pdf)
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I wonder how people ever survived before building codes....
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I wonder how people ever survived before building codes....
People say things like that all the time, but life expectancy is a lot higher now...
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People say things like that all the time, but life expectancy is a lot higher now...
No, higher life expectancy is due to HOAs...
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And sugar in cornbread...
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And sugar in cornbread...
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That especially...and abortions.
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Cabin, I'd probably be off the grid. Solar w/battery bank. Composting/incinerating toilet or outhouse. I'd have a water buffalo to haul water into camp. Propane for range, fridge and water heater. I'm not living there year round plus an outhouse and outdoor shower scares a lot of people from inviting themselves for a week/weekend.
In that case....
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Best-Barns-Common-12-ft-x-24-ft-Interior-Dimensions-11-42-ft-x-23-42-ft-Lakewood-Gambrel-Engineered-Storage-Shed/1000406185?cm_mmc=SCE_PLA_ONLY-_-LumberAndBuildingMaterials-_-SosOutdoorStorage-_-1000406185:Best_Barns&CAWELAID=&kpid=1000406185&CAGPSPN=pla&k_clickID=go_625849125_34614214270_111133222990_pla-263592203692_c_9007592&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIr9Lctv6w3gIVDUwNCh0ZlAmzEAQYBSABEgKOj_D_BwE
You could easily insulate, panel and modify this into a hell of a hunting cabin.
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Hey charby, how would you feed the water buffalo? :facepalm:
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Hey charby, how would you feed the water buffalo? :facepalm:
Probably with a fork and spoon (https://www.amazon.com/Jacobson-Hat-Company-23292-Buffalo/dp/B00OBVTQY0)
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Hey charby, how would you feed the water buffalo? :facepalm:
With a garden hose at home
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In that case....
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Best-Barns-Common-12-ft-x-24-ft-Interior-Dimensions-11-42-ft-x-23-42-ft-Lakewood-Gambrel-Engineered-Storage-Shed/1000406185?cm_mmc=SCE_PLA_ONLY-_-LumberAndBuildingMaterials-_-SosOutdoorStorage-_-1000406185:Best_Barns&CAWELAID=&kpid=1000406185&CAGPSPN=pla&k_clickID=go_625849125_34614214270_111133222990_pla-263592203692_c_9007592&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIr9Lctv6w3gIVDUwNCh0ZlAmzEAQYBSABEgKOj_D_BwE
You could easily insulate, panel and modify this into a hell of a hunting cabin.
Something that seems to be getting popular is the home within a shop. I ran into a guy in Idaho who is the Wyoming rep for Morton Buildings.
https://mortonbuildings.com/
I guess they have been popular in the Northeast and South for a good while, and are getting popular out West. I really like the concept and if you check out the website, there are some beautiful examples of home/shop combos, including things like ginormous aircraft hangers, etc. coupled with pretty near luxury homes.
That said, my realtor took me to one of them (not a Morton building) when I was still shopping, and I wasn't super impressed by it. Partly because it wasn't finished, but also, going to the upstairs loft/family room/office, it was blazing hot, and that was in May. Not that it couldn't be fixed, but I think you have to super insulate these kinds of buildings to make them living spaces. I watched some Morton videos where they show how they do it, and they seem to have a good system for making living spaces liveable, but also notice is hard as hell to find out the building costs on a Morton building.
Again, I think it's an awesome concept, but I think it has to be "done right", which may make other options more fiscally reasonable.
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Hey charby, how would you feed the water buffalo? :facepalm:
I think Charby is referring to one of these:
http://www.vintagemilitarytrucks.com/Military_Water_Buffalo_Trailer.htm
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In that case....
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Best-Barns-Common-12-ft-x-24-ft-Interior-Dimensions-11-42-ft-x-23-42-ft-Lakewood-Gambrel-Engineered-Storage-Shed/1000406185?cm_mmc=SCE_PLA_ONLY-_-LumberAndBuildingMaterials-_-SosOutdoorStorage-_-1000406185:Best_Barns&CAWELAID=&kpid=1000406185&CAGPSPN=pla&k_clickID=go_625849125_34614214270_111133222990_pla-263592203692_c_9007592&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIr9Lctv6w3gIVDUwNCh0ZlAmzEAQYBSABEgKOj_D_BwE
You could easily insulate, panel and modify this into a hell of a hunting cabin.
I've thought of that, rather stick build one from the ground up.
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I've even thought about a permanent ice house too. About the time later deer season ends, the hard water is ready.
Build something like there. Basically a camper that can be dropped down onto it frame to sit on the ice.
https://icecastlefh.com/
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Bringing this one back to link to an article showing one of the downsides to these tiny homes on wheels:
https://apnews.com/d4589b96ea154a968ffd5c2945cd3865
Yep -- she parked her tiny home, and somebody hitched up and drove away with it.