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Iraq Parlaiment votes end foreign troop presence
« on: January 05, 2020, 09:53:56 AM »
It's trending on a bunch of sites but my work computer blocks most of them. The Iraq Parliament just held a vote and voted to withdraw the request for assistance from coalition forces, and remove foreign troops from Iraq.

So far I haven't seen the US response.

Should be an interesting week.

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Re: Iraq Parlaiment votes end foreign troop presence
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2020, 09:55:20 AM »
BBC
Not much yet but the link should be updated as they find out more.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50998065
« Last Edit: January 05, 2020, 11:55:46 AM by WLJ »
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Re: Iraq Parlaiment votes end foreign troop presence
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2020, 10:15:40 AM »
Would it be optimistic for me to think that we, one of the largest oil producers in the world, might use this as an opportunity to say FU to the ME and maybe start a real pullout that leaves them all to war amongst themselves?
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Re: Iraq Parlaiment votes end foreign troop presence
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2020, 10:28:29 AM »
What choice do we have?  Time to go.   Almost seems too easy.
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Re: Iraq Parlaiment votes end foreign troop presence
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2020, 10:31:21 AM »
Wait a minute.  Who are we against this week?  Are we for someone new now?
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Re: Iraq Parlaiment votes end foreign troop presence
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2020, 11:08:35 AM »
Civil war then Saddam ][ within the year.
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Re: Iraq Parlaiment votes end foreign troop presence
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2020, 11:21:08 AM »
Civil war then Saddam ][ within the year.

I agree, it won't be as bad as Libya but it won't be that far behind either.

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Re: Iraq Parlaiment votes end foreign troop presence
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2020, 11:46:06 AM »
Wait a minute.  Who are we against this week?  Are we for someone new now?

Well, that's part of the problem, isn't it? New aholes pop up every week and we have to decide if they're aholes we want to be allies with or enemies with.

There are no good leaders anywhere in the ME in the "Apple pie good guy" American sense. Only aholes that it's sometimes beneficial for us to work with. They all commit what we consider atrocities against their own people (or those factions of their people they've been disagreeing with for the last few thousand years).
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Re: Iraq Parlaiment votes end foreign troop presence
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2020, 11:50:39 AM »
Well, that's part of the problem, isn't it? New aholes pop up every week and we have to decide if they're aholes we want to be allies with or enemies with.

There are no good leaders anywhere in the ME in the "Apple pie good guy" American sense. Only aholes that it's sometimes beneficial for us to work with. They all commit what we consider atrocities against their own people (or those factions of their people they've been disagreeing with for the last few thousand years).

We keep playing Whack-A-Mole and the moles keep coming. Eventually your arm gets tired.
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Re: Iraq Parlaiment votes end foreign troop presence
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2020, 11:55:56 AM »
Yup, time for us to pull out. We also need to leave nothing we built to support our presence, nothing but ashes in our wake.
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Re: Iraq Parlaiment votes end foreign troop presence
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2020, 11:56:02 AM »
BBC
Not much yet but the link should be updated as they find out more.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50998065



They updated the article

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The non-binding resolution was passed by the Iraqi parliament after the caretaker Prime Minister, Adel Abdul Mahdi, called for an end to the foreign military presence in a speech to MPs.

Non-bindlng implies something just for show to me.
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Re: Iraq Parlaiment votes end foreign troop presence
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2020, 11:59:11 AM »
Yup, time for us to pull out. We also need to leave nothing we built to support our presence, nothing but ashes in our wake.

If pass history is any guide we'll leave billions of dollars worth of stuff that will soon be found in all corners of the world and will get used against us by someone somewhere.
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Re: Iraq Parlaiment votes end foreign troop presence
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2020, 12:03:45 PM »
If pass history is any guide we'll leave billions of dollars worth of stuff that will soon be found in all corners of the world and will get used against us by someone somewhere.
You're probably right. I'll say that RKL had the right idea a few posts up - leave nothing useful behind.
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Re: Iraq Parlaiment votes end foreign troop presence
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2020, 12:14:50 PM »
If pass history is any guide we'll leave billions of dollars worth of stuff that will soon be found in all corners of the world and will get used against us by someone somewhere.

And somebody probably will become rich facilitating the ones who end up with all the new toys.
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Re: Iraq Parlaiment votes end foreign troop presence
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2020, 12:34:29 PM »

They updated the article

Non-bindlng implies something just for show to me.

My understanding of the Iraqi Governmental workings is shaky at best, but, from what I gather, it is non-binding until the Prime Minister signs it.  Once you have the act of Parliament, signed by the Prime Minister, the government is obligated to act on it.

Points to remember: 

This Prime Minister is a "caretaker" because he resigned in November over protests that he, and this government, were puppets of Iran.

I'm reading reports that the parliament did reach a quorum, but also that no Sunni or Kurdish MP's showed up.  How this plays out on the "will of the Iraqi people" narrative remains to be seen.

If we actually start making concrete preparations to leave, the various militia groups are likely to start killing each other sooner rather than later.  This could also effect the narrative.

If this goes through and we start to withdraw we are likely to find out exactly how much operational control the Iranians have over the militias.  Politically seeing us out of Iraq is a win for them, but it's not what the various fighters mean when they vow revenge.  They want blood.  If Iran can't keep them under control, this could still get kinetic.


To RKL's and WLJ's comments, if we follow the plan we did in withdrawal from northern Syria, we won't leave much of anything useful behind.  We pretty much leveled those bases on the way out.

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Re: Iraq Parlaiment votes end foreign troop presence
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2020, 12:52:01 PM »
Yup, time for us to pull out. We also need to leave nothing we built to support our presence, nothing but ashes in our wake.

Perhaps we should leave agricultural salt behind in the few productive fields there...
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Re: Iraq Parlaiment votes end foreign troop presence
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2020, 12:58:55 PM »

To RKL's and WLJ's comments, if we follow the plan we did in withdrawal from northern Syria, we won't leave much of anything useful behind.  We pretty much leveled those bases on the way out.

That's encouraging to know.
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Re: Iraq Parlaiment votes end foreign troop presence
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2020, 02:32:25 PM »
Perhaps we should leave agricultural salt behind in the few productive fields there...
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Re: Iraq Parlaiment votes end foreign troop presence
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2020, 02:55:35 PM »
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Some 5,000 US soldiers are in Iraq as part of the international coalition against the Islamic State (IS) group.
We don't really have that many troops in Iraq itself.  I would be curious what our total is in the ME outside Afghanistan.
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Re: Iraq Parlaiment votes end foreign troop presence
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2020, 03:41:23 PM »
You know, NO one has addressed this issue... the US, the Iraqis, etc...

What was this guy doing in Baghdad? In Iraq? Which tacitly a US ally?

It seems as if he was there pretty openly.
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Re: Iraq Parlaiment votes end foreign troop presence
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2020, 03:43:35 PM »
You know, NO one has addressed this issue... the US, the Iraqis, etc...

What was this guy doing in Baghdad? In Iraq? Which tacitly a US ally?

It seems as if he was there pretty openly.

I don't know about his original plans, but it appears that he is now attending a wake.
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Re: Iraq Parlaiment votes end foreign troop presence
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2020, 03:58:11 PM »
Or what's left of him.  Apparently they had to tentatively ID him from a ring he wore and follow it up with DNA testing.

Was it a Hellfire?  About 20lb of HE?  Probably hamburglarized the automobile's contents.
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Re: Iraq Parlaiment votes end foreign troop presence
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2020, 04:22:43 PM »
You know, NO one has addressed this issue... the US, the Iraqis, etc...

What was this guy doing in Baghdad? In Iraq? Which tacitly a US ally?

It seems as if he was there pretty openly.
Kind of like bin Laden in Pakistan . . . except a bit less discreet.
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Re: Iraq Parlaiment votes end foreign troop presence
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2020, 06:25:35 PM »
I don't know about his original plans, but it appears that he is now attending a wake.


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Re: Iraq Parlaiment votes end foreign troop presence
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2020, 07:20:08 PM »
You know, NO one has addressed this issue... the US, the Iraqis, etc...

What was this guy doing in Baghdad? In Iraq? Which tacitly a US ally?

It seems as if he was there pretty openly.

He has openly been in Iraq, like many Iranian government folk, for the entirety of the war and post war. Iran and Iraq have public and official links.

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