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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ben on July 09, 2015, 10:02:19 AM
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I generally avoid reading anything related to "celebrity gossip", but this was up front on Fox News this morning. I'm not even sure what this Arriana Grande does, other than I've heard her name lumped in with America hating celebrities.
Anyway, she and her boyfriend apparently licked a bunch of donuts at a donut shop (that they didn't buy). It was on video, and the shop employees reported it. Result: Law enforcement doesn't think it's a crime, but they sent health inspectors to the donut shop to see if they may have committed a crime by leaving donuts out.
It looked to me from the TMZ video that the donuts were just temporarily out as the single employee in front was getting donuts from the back and helping customers at the same time. I somehow think if one of us did this disgusting behavior, they wouldn't be investigating the donut shop.
Not to mention the fact that she did her "I hate Americans" thing claiming it was because she hates donut eaters, while she was in a donut shop. Every day is "The Onion" day in America.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/07/09/ariana-grande-out-mlb-all-star-concert-because-wisdom-teeth-demi-lovato/
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Grande was raised a Roman Catholic but abandoned Catholicism after becoming disillusioned with the church during the reign of Pope Benedict,[175] including the church's opposition to gay marriage.[3] Grande stated, "I lost faith when the Pope decided to tell me that everything I loved and believed in was wrong. I needed something else to believe in." She has followed Kabbalah teachings since at least the age of twelve, believing "the basis lies in the idea that if you're kind to others, good things will happen to you."
Shallow obnoxious pinhead diva is shallow pinhead.
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Stupid vapid twit that happens to be a "pop singer". Some call it music, but it's utter crap to my ears.
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Shallow obnoxious pinhead diva is shallow pinhead.
She has followed Kabbalah teachings since at least the age of twelve
Kabbalah. Of course.
And, she became "disillusioned" with the Church at the age of TWELVE? And, at twelve, she decided "I lost faith when the Pope decided to tell me that everything I loved and believed in was wrong. I needed something else to believe in."
Well, I can safely say she was never raised as a Roman Catholic. She likely identified as such, but not raised in the faith.
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I'm glad I'm not famous. I think I would go berserk when trying just to do a day to day mundane task and being hassled by the public.
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I'm glad I'm not famous. I think I would go berserk when trying just to do a day to day mundane task and being hassled by the public.
Not sure that maliciously licking donuts that other people are going to eat is an everyday mundane task. Maybe I'm living my life wrong.
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Not sure that maliciously licking donuts that other people are going to eat is an everyday mundane task. Maybe I'm living my life wrong.
She is rich enough to buy the entire donut shop and not even blink. She could afford to pay for them and then she could lick all she wanted.
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Kabbalah. Of course.
And, she became "disillusioned" with the Church at the age of TWELVE? And, at twelve, she decided "I lost faith when the Pope decided to tell me that everything I loved and believed in was wrong. I needed something else to believe in."
Well, I can safely say she was never raised as a Roman Catholic. She likely identified as such, but not raised in the faith.
I thought about commenting on that. I see a lot of similar comments about Christianity like that here and there. I get the impression most of them were never taught or never really learned much about it so when questions come up, they have no answers. They blame their ignorance on the Faith.
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I thought about commenting on that. I see a lot of similar comments about Christianity like that here and there. I get the impression most of them were never taught or never really learned much about it so when questions come up, they have no answers. They blame their ignorance on the Faith.
I've learned that every former Christian has read the entire Bible, and also attended Sunday School every day of their lives. But they asked questions that made the teacher break down in tears, and were then kicked out for displaying independent thought. Every. Single. Former. Christian.
Also, I am glad that the article included information about some other vocalist's new single. I found that particularly not relevant to the topic at hand.
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I've learned that every former Christian has read the entire Bible, and also attended Sunday School every day of their lives. But they asked questions that made the teacher break down in tears, and were then kicked out for displaying independent thought. Every. Single. Former. Christian.
Also, I am glad that the article included information about some other vocalist's new single. I found that particularly not relevant to the topic at hand.
When your opening premise is an irrelevancy, why not pile on a few more? "Idiot you've never heard of acts inappropriately and bloviates ignorant opinion. By the way, someone else you've never met prefers loose underwear."
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I've learned that every former Christian has read the entire Bible, and also attended Sunday School every day of their lives. But they asked questions that made the teacher break down in tears, and were then kicked out for displaying independent thought. Every. Single. Former. Christian.
Also, I am glad that the article included information about some other vocalist's new single. I found that particularly not relevant to the topic at hand.
I have read the Bible several times, attended CCD (Confraternity of Christian Doctrine, sorta like Sunday school, but written in 1562) and asked a lot of questions without receiving good answers. No tears (nuns don't cry) and wasn't kicked out, as far as I remember. I was however encouraged to not ask so many questions, and it was hinted on the down low that if I read something other than the Catechism and didn't ask questions, it would not be reported upon so long as the paperwork went smooth. Pretty sure nuns knew I was a heretic from the get-go, but wanted to make the process easier for both of us.
I don't know if I count as a "former Christian" or not. The second part is slightly modified because old school Catholic nuns are made of sterner stuff.
Other than those minor quibbles, I guess I fit that stereotype to a T.
That said, it's fine that she's all disappointed in Catholic doctrine, but licking someone else's food should be punished significantly.
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Not sure that maliciously licking donuts that other people are going to eat is an everyday mundane task. Maybe I'm living my life wrong.
Yea, but going to get a donut and cup of coffee, without being pestered because you're famous, is a normal activity. Become famous and simple things like that are hard to do anonymously.
I'm not saying what she did was right, but fame makes people do really weird stuff.
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Yea, but going to get a donut and cup of coffee, without being pestered because your famous, is a normal activity. Become famous and simple things like that are hard to do anonymously.
I'm not saying what she did was right, but fame makes people do really weird stuff.
Certainly having a coterie of hangers-on who feed off your celebrity or money constantly telling you how special you are and the normal standards don't apply can't help one stay humble and well adjusted.
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Yea, but going to get a donut and cup of coffee, without being pestered because your famous, is a normal activity. Become famous and simple things like that are hard to do anonymously.
This is true, and I'd hate to be followed down the street doing normal activities. I can't tell that any customers in that donut shop recognized her though, at least from the video. Obviously someone knew her to make the ID.
Maybe another question is how some of these idiots even qualify as celebrities. Kind of a statement on our society. I wouldn't give the time of day to 50% of them.
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I've learned that every former Christian has read the entire Bible, and also attended Sunday School every day of their lives. But they asked questions that made the teacher break down in tears, and were then kicked out for displaying independent thought. Every. Single. Former. Christian.
So I said to myself: donut reply. It's not worth it and nobody wants to hear about my painful church experiences.
I think I've grown :angel:
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Certainly having a coterie of hangers-on who feed off your celebrity or money constantly telling you how special you are and the normal standards don't apply can't help one stay humble and well adjusted.
She came up through the Disney farm leagues for pop-stardom. Some seem to be relatively well adjusted and successful long-term, others have crashed and burned spectacularly.
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So I said to myself: donut reply. It's not worth it and nobody wants to hear about my painful church experiences.
I think I've grown :angel:
I am glad you did not fritter away your personal growth.
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Point 1
I made nuns cry
Point 2
Some chef waiter bartender or cook is gonna give her payback on the donut licking
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Point 1
I made nuns cry
Point 2
Some chef waiter bartender or cook is gonna give her payback on the donut licking
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I've had a long-standing rule: Be nice to the people who clean up your s%$@ and cook/serve your food.
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I've had a long-standing rule: Be nice to the people who clean up your s%$@ and cook/serve your food.
this is a very good rule to have.
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I have read the Bible several times, attended CCD (Confraternity of Christian Doctrine, sorta like Sunday school, but written in 1562) and asked a lot of questions without receiving good answers. No tears (nuns don't cry) and wasn't kicked out, as far as I remember. I was however encouraged to not ask so many questions, and it was hinted on the down low that if I read something other than the Catechism and didn't ask questions, it would not be reported upon so long as the paperwork went smooth. Pretty sure nuns knew I was a heretic from the get-go, but wanted to make the process easier for both of us.
Hehe. I got an 'F' in religeon class and I went to a Catholic grade school. It wasn't that I was rebelling or questioning, I just didn't give a crap. The praying to statues, Mary, and Saints simply didn't make sense to me so I tuned it all out.
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I've learned that every former Christian has read the entire Bible, and also attended Sunday School every day of their lives.
Nah; some were just raised Seventh Day Adventist. It's apparently the fastest path ever to Hateism.*
*Most fall in that group who claim to both disbelieve God's existence and despise Him at the same time.
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Maybe another question is how some of these idiots even qualify as celebrities. Kind of a statement on our society. I wouldn't give the time of day to 50% of them.
I bet my parents felt the same way about some of the famous people I adore/adored.
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I bet my parents felt the same way about some of the famous people I adore/adored.
I wouldn't give half the celebrities from my youth the time of day either. I was never one to "adore" celebrities. I certainly looked up to astronauts, scientists, soldiers, and others who actually deserved to be treated the way celebrities are, though I suspect most of them wouldn't want to be. Liking music someone does, or their role in a movie, is different than being awestruck by the actor or muscian.
To me, the person working the counter at the Salvation Army donation store deserves a thousand times more of my respect than a Kim Kardshian, or even a Tom Selleck, who's a celebrity that I would give the time of day to.
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I've had a long-standing rule: Be nice to the people who clean up your s%$@ and cook/serve your food.
Absolutely.
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I've had a long-standing rule: Be nice to the people who clean up your s%$@ and cook/serve your food.
I include folks cutting my hair in that group.
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I include folks cutting my hair in that group.
What hair? ;)
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What hair? ;)
Hair in the singular, not plural. I may have only one, but I am very proud of it.
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Result: Law enforcement doesn't think it's a crime, but they sent health inspectors to the donut shop to see if they may have committed a crime by leaving donuts out.
Leaving any health-specific laws aside, wouldn't that count as vandalism, seeing as how they rendered the donuts unsuitable for sale?
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Leaving any health-specific laws aside, wouldn't that count as vandalism, seeing as how they rendered the donuts unsuitable for sale?
Sure seems that way to me. Misdemeanor destruction of property. Felony if Bavarian cream.
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Sure seems that way to me. Misdemeanor destruction of property. Felony if Bavarian cream.
There's a man after my own heart. :laugh:
Only I might call for a firing squad.
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Nevermind
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Leaving any health-specific laws aside, wouldn't that count as vandalism, seeing as how they rendered the donuts unsuitable for sale?
At least. TX ups the penalty group somewhat when it comes to messing with a food product that is being offered for sale, but I'm not sure what lesser states do.
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At least. TX ups the penalty group somewhat when it comes to messing with a food product that is being offered for sale, but I'm not sure what lesser states do.
That's why I said 'health-specific', I'm not a lawyer, but I view it as incredibly likely that vandalism is the least they could be arrested for.
Then the lawyers take a dip into the code books and come up with this -
http://law.justia.com/codes/california/2009/hsc/110545-110655.html
110545. Any food is adulterated if it bears or contains any
poisonous or deleterious substance that may render it injurious to
health of man or any other animal that may consume it. The food is
not considered adulterated if the substance is a naturally occurring
substance and if the quantity of the substance in the food does not
render it injurious to health.
-Spit/Saliva counts, as it can be a factor for disease transmission.
110625. It is unlawful for any person to adulterate any food.
http://www.weblaws.org/california/codes/ca_penal_section_382
Adulterating food is a misdemeanor.
Finally: If Alaska, California, and Texas all have more or less the same rules*, I figure all 50 states probably have them.
*California's adulteration laws are an OOM larger than Alaska's, getting into the nitty-gritty with lead, wine bottles, candies, etc...
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Hehe. I got an 'F' in religeon class...
And in spelling. :P
I just wanted to clarify my earlier post. Obviously, it's hyperbole. It's just that I've had way too many people tell me they've "read the Bible from cover to cover." Having done a fair amount of Bible-reading myself, I think 90% of them are lying, or at least exaggerating. It's a long read, with a lot of really boring parts. I don't think most believers have read all of it.
Plus, I've heard a lot of people bragging about being so much smarter and more skeptical than the nuns/Sunday School teachers, whatever. I suspect most of them are, again, exaggerating. Either that, or they were just being disruptive, as some kids are.
I now return you to your donuts and vapid pop stars thread.
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*shrug* I went through a religion phase, went to Sunday school, attended a christian summer camp for a couple years.
I've read significant portions of the Bible and have studied Christianity (and other religions) from an academic standpoint rather than a religious one.
For me, it was the Christians making me cry that was probably the ultimate sinker. I was already headed away from the whole idea as not being something that worked for me, but having two Bible thumper types sit down, harrass and bully me for over an hour was pretty much the end to any interest I had in being involved in religion or the Christian faith.
The fact that they sincerely were trying to save me was what made it horrible. I seriously cannot understand or comprehend how a person can like, respect and care for other people but truely believe that those other people are going to end up in hell because they don't believe in God or Jesus.
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My experience is similar to fistful's. Many Christians can be woefully ignorant of their theology(1), but to get some truly farcical "The Civil War began after the Nazis bombed Pearl Harbor" Biblical buffoonery one must generally go to the atheist/former Christian who "read the Bible from cover to cover."
I seriously cannot understand or comprehend how a person can like, respect and care for other people but truely believe that those other people are going to end up in hell because they don't believe in God or Jesus.
Maybe you should ask someone who exhibits these seemingly inexplicable traits. It has been my experience that many are willing to talk about it. Some even cite appropriate supporting documents. For example:
Mother Theresa did more than "like, respect and care for other people" and yet was in accord with Roman Catholic doctrine which holds that belief in Christ was a necessity to avoid eternal damnation. She left behind much documentation and is not mysterious.
(1) It does not help that many mega-churches have forsaken exegesis for self-help-book-Christianity and many mainline denominations have forsaken the text almost completely.
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It's a long read, with a lot of really boring parts.
It helps to lick some donuts while trying to get through all the "begats" =D
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It helps to lick some donuts while trying to get through all the "begats" =D
I could try that, but I'm pretty sure I'd just start eating them. (The donuts; not the begats. (I ain't Ezekiel.))
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My experience is similar to fistful's. Many Christians can be woefully ignorant of their theology(1), but to get some truly farcical "The Civil War began after the Nazis bombed Pearl Harbor" Biblical buffoonery one must generally go to the atheist/former Christian who "read the Bible from cover to cover."
Maybe you should ask someone who exhibits these seemingly inexplicable traits. It has been my experience that many are willing to talk about it. Some even cite appropriate supporting documents. For example:
Mother Theresa did more than "like, respect and care for other people" and yet was in accord with Roman Catholic doctrine which holds that belief in Christ was a necessity to avoid eternal damnation. She left behind much documentation and is not mysterious.
(1) It does not help that many mega-churches have forsaken exegesis for self-help-book-Christianity and many mainline denominations have forsaken the text almost completely.
You misunderstood me. Perhaps I wasn't clear.
I don't understand how because I find the concept of judging someone based on such things repellent and morally wrong.
And yes, that includes Mother Teresa.
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Nah; some were just raised Seventh Day Adventist. It's apparently the fastest path ever to Hateism.*
*Most fall in that group who claim to both disbelieve God's existence and despise Him at the same time.
You have an interesting concept of most. I'm well acquainted with several SDA folk and none match that description. Otoh, I know some former SDA turned Church of Christ who are some of the most hateful bastards I've ever met.
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You have an interesting concept of most. I'm well acquainted with several SDA folk and none match that description. Otoh, I know some former SDA turned Church of Christ who are some of the most hateful bastards I've ever met.
Could be a regional thing. Probably doesn't help that we're in a heavily Baptist area, so nearly everything other than restaurants is closed on Sundays, meaning the SDAs are limited to WalMart for weekend activities. I could see that breeding some resentment.