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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ben on February 21, 2022, 08:41:28 PM
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Holy crap, Amazon's Rings of Power is getting blasted from all directions.
I have to say that back when I first heard about it, I had high hopes that it would be one of the 1 out of every 100 Amazon productions that comes out really good. Sadly, it looks like they not only took the woke train, but are actually attacking Tolkien fans. Whoever is in charge of the production and PR is whack.
Amazon had a woke short up for a while, featuring "Tolkien Superfans", none of which were white males of course. In one snippet I saw on a Youtube review, the boneheads were actually wondering where the rings originated. Tolkien. "Superfans". Did. Not. Know. Where. The. Rings. Came. From.
The short was ratioed into oblivion.
Sadly, I think this is going to be a hot mess. Apparently Amazon put up a billion dollars for five seasons.
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The hackles of the fantasy community were already up over the rape of Wheel of Time by Amazon last year.
I'm a huge fan of Robert Jordan's 14 book Wheel of Time and was very excited to see a decent treatment of it. At $100 million for the first season's budget, hopes were high across the fandom.
And then they were dashed in the first 2 minutes of Moiraine's opening monologue. Anyone who has read the series knows how antithetical those lines were to Moiraine's character, to the Blue Ajah of the Aes Sedai (Aes Sedai are an order of sorceresses that basically rule the world) in general, and to the mythology of Jordan's world he created. Then we have Rand and Egwene copulating on a bar countertop outside of wedlock in a back country middle ages town that has a history of shotgun spearpoint weddings, and Myrdraal that are a cheap ripoff mish-mash of DeathEaters and Ringwraiths instead of being the unique creations they should look like.
Everyone in this back country town has disparate racial features. We have Maori, Irish, Huguenot, Australian Aboriginal, Italian, and the Creator alone knows how many other Earthly nationalities all crammed together in this isolated town at the ass end of no trade route that has no introduction of new blood, ever. All these people should be the same race. Doesn't matter which one, pick one. But after a thousand years of intermarrying they should all be the same (with the notable exception of Rand Al'Thor, which is explained later due to story reasons). But because the show runners screwed up the ethnicity of Emond's Field, Rand doesn't stick out like a sore thumb. Instead, everyone does.
The show spent an episode and a half exploring random side character #22 (named Steppin if you watched it) rather than critical early exposition elements. Technically, the first book has zero pages of content set in the city of Tar Valon (where the Steppin crap happens). But they chose to build a Tar Valon set and pursue made-up plot points there rather than the far more important elements that happen in a different city called Caemlyn, involving a Queen, a princess, and an Aes Sedai advisor named Elaida that meets Rand.
There is ENORMOUS resentment over the butchering of this series. Many of us have been waiting decades for this series to come to TV or movie format. There was already bad blood due to an IP-blocking hackjob by Red Eagle Entertainment when they made a short film called Winter Dragon back around 2015.
Those of us that feel betrayed by Wheel of Time and Amazon, see hallmarks of the same betrayal in the marketing tactics that surround this Tolkien adaptation. Tokenized black elves, turning female characters into action heroes that were never any such thing canonically, heterogeneous hair/skin tones and facial features in places that should be more uniform. We call it out and the first thing we get hit with is "racism." Next is usually "you just want a 1:1 adaptation and that's not realistic." Nevermind Jackson's LotR was not a 1:1, and even introduced female action characters that were not any such thing (Arwen/Glorfindel) and we have no problem there.
Amazon's Wheel of Time adaptation DESTROYED Jordan's core of the story. The misandry going on in that presentation is at the author/production level, it is not a component of the world and not being used as a storytelling device (which might be an acceptable deviation if that were the case). Every single upstanding male character from Jordan's story has been emasculated or converted into a villain in the Amazon adaptation, or cut altogether. Lan Mandragoran, Tam Al'Thor, Abell Cauthon, Agelmar Jagad, Elyas Machera. And that's just in the first season.
It's pretty well assumed that the Middle Earth adaptation will destroy Tolkien's core of his story, too.
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They showed the black elf and black dwarf woman (with no beard) in the trailer. It will feature hobbits or something similar at a time before hobbits existed. I think Amazon thought they were trying to create a bunch of new characters they could base a bunch of stories around since they only have the rights to a small portion of the Tolkien's work. I am not sure they have anyone involved that is capable of making it anywhere close to the LOTR trilogy. Maybe close to the Hobbit movies which are not near as good. It will probably look like a bad Dungeons and Dragons show.
The dark humor going around is What happened to all the black ones? They weren't around in the time of Frodo and Aragorn? Are they going to tell the story of the great holocaust?
I really hope it is better than it looks, but I have pretty low expectations.
The Jack Reacher series season 1 is pretty good. The entire season is retelling the book The Killing Floor. I hope the woke mob doesn't get hold of that show, but they probably will.
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We just finished Season 2 of Netflix's "Witcher" and it was woke enough to bother me and others. Multicultural, abortion, gays, you know, all that stuff that was normal at that time and place according to lore/history/cannon.
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. . . The dark humor going around is What happened to all the black ones? They weren't around in the time of Frodo and Aragorn? Are they going to tell the story of the great holocaust? . . .
Well, if they can colorize class B&W films from the '30s and '40s, digitally remove guns from E.T., and make it look like Han didn't shoot first in Star Wars, what's to stop them from colorizing some of the characters in LOTR? The movies need multiracial hobbits, dwarves, and elves, all in heroic roles. (Wouldn't you like to see a black Gandalf?)
As far as the Wheel of Time goes . . . haven't seen the series, but it does sound like they completely mucked it up. Maybe they figure most of the audience hasn't read the books. I myself read several of the books and liked them, but quit in disgust somewhere around the 5th or 6th book when it became obvious - painfully obvious - that Jordan realized by then that he was getting paid by the word and decided to maximize his payday. =(
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"Wouldn't you like to see a black Gandalf?"
Nope. When I think of Gandalf, I think of Ming the Merciless.
Only this time played by an actual Asian actor, not that racist Max von Sydow with yellow make up. :rofl:
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Funny thing is I have heard people mention there are hundreds of stories from African history and lore (or Asian history and lore) that they could choose from if they really wanted to go for the diverse story.
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For the next Black Panther movie, they need to create a diverse population for Wakanda. For fairness, there should be more non-black residents than black residents.
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For the next Black Panther movie, they need to create a diverse population for Wakanda. For fairness, there should be more non-black residents than black residents.
And maybe this time around when they want the White guy to shut up, they won't have the Black crowd hoot at him like a troop of baboons.
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For the next Black Panther movie, they need to create a diverse population for Wakanda. For fairness, there should be more non-black residents than black residents.
And have men allowed on that Amazon Island. Even have the queen be a trans
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Funny thing is I have heard people mention there are hundreds of stories from African history and lore (or Asian history and lore) that they could choose from if they really wanted to go for the diverse story.
The thing about all fantasy, is that it is inherently tribal.
It takes a major plot device to have a place where people of multiple ethnicities/races/species/etc gather peacefully.
Hobbits live in the Shire. Dwarves live in the Iron Hills, Erebor, and Moria. Elves live in Mirkwood, Lothlorien, and Imladris. Humans live in Gondor and Rohan, and do have peaceful settlements with the Dwarves at Erebor and with the Hobbits at Bree, but humans are also quite tribal and those of Gondor do not co-identify with the people of the Long Lake or Dale or Bree. To say nothing of the Haradrim or Southrons.
In the Wheel of Time, there are really only two locations in that world that are not racial/tribal in nature. The first is Tar Valon, the home of the Aes Sedai. It is a melting pot because of all the people that come there to deliver a daughter to be trained as Aes Sedai or a son to be trained as a Warder. Other than that, Shainarans stay in Shainar, Tairens stay in Tear, Cairhienen stay in Cairhien and so on. The other exception is Emond's Field after book 4, when one of the main 3 characters saves it from invasion and becomes an involuntary Lord of the region, and it becomes a refuge for displaced peoples from surrounding lands. But it took considerable war for that to happen, along with enormous generosity and welcoming spirit for the refugees.
Fantasy relies upon being able to identify a character's tribe by their immediate appearance. This new woke style fantasy makes that impossible since evidently there are blacks and latinos and asians and whatever else mixed into every city, village, town, hermitage and settlement in the fantasy world.
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Also, regarding the Elves, Tolkien himself specifically defined them as a "fair-skinned race".
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Well, if they can colorize class B&W films from the '30s and '40s, digitally remove guns from E.T., and make it look like Han didn't shoot first in Star Wars, what's to stop them from colorizing some of the characters in LOTR?
So . . . digital blackface?
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The disappearing "superfan" video got worse. There are at least six different versions in six different countries and surprise surprise, all the "superfans" followed a common script focused on diversity and representation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O2dL_WOnyI
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The disappearing "superfan" video got worse. There are at least six different versions in six different countries and surprise surprise, all the "superfans" followed a common script focused on diversity and representation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O2dL_WOnyI
Can't stop the signal.
Nerdrotic just dropped his fisking of that steaming heap of dogshit and it was fun.
https://youtu.be/oxHjg8pJUwY
I'm so thoroughly sick of that group of degenerates being put on a dais to be worshiped.
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I watched the first couple of minutes of that...
Holy *expletive deleted*ck it killed off the last of the synapses that survived my college drinking days...
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I watched the first couple of minutes of that...
Holy *expletive deleted*ck it killed off the last of the synapses that survived my college drinking days...
The real pro tip is to never stop, makes life hurt less.
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Holy *expletive deleted*ck it killed off the last of the synapses that survived my college drinking days...
Based on your post history, I know that to be a blatant lie.
:P
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Based on your post history, I know that to be a blatant lie.
:P
You're right, compared to you jackwads I'm Albert fugging Einstein.
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All these people should be the same race. Doesn't matter which one, pick one.
I had the same beef with His Dark Materials and the Gyptians, who were supposed to be an extremely insular community akin to our Romani.
It didn't matter which race, in order to be that kind of community, they have to be pretty homogenous.
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Amazon Confirms Orcs In 'Rings Of Power' Will Be Wearing MAGA Hats
https://babylonbee.com/news/amazon-confirms-rings-of-power-orcs-will-be-wearing-maga-hats
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1) They will not learn from their mistakes, because they are not mistakes, but instead are reverberation from badthinking trumpers.
2) They will do something even more horribler...
3) If you don't like it, that is because you are an ignorant racist bumpkin, and should be purged.
They are a very visible part of a pseudoreligion, with a pre-prepped dogmatic catechism which _must_ be followed, and, as time passes, augmented.
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As you all know, this "stupidity" isn't limited to Amazon.
The CW network has come out with their "new" version of Tom Swift. In much the same way the reboot of "Battlestar Galactica" changed Starbuck to a female, and "Dr. Who" is also a woman, the new "Tom Swift" is both black and gay. I watched about 1/2 hour as I grew up reading those books by Victor Appleton II and wanted to see what they did with it.
Half an hour was all I could stomach. [barf]
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Amazon's "The Boys" couldn't start off season 3 without sloppy homo kissing in the first five minutes, as far as a more disgusting and disturbing followup scene.
I liked it when it first came out, but I'm not sure I'll make it through season 3 (I just watched the first episode today).
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Amazon's "The Boys" couldn't start off season 3 without sloppy homo kissing in the first five minutes, as far as a more disgusting and disturbing followup scene.
I liked it when it first came out, but I'm not sure I'll make it through season 3 (I just watched the first episode today).
Didn't have that in the 1st season within the first couple episodes? They were showing some orgy party the super heroes were involved in.
That show is pretty weird and warped similar to the way South Park does their comedy.
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As you all know, this "stupidity" isn't limited to Amazon.
The CW network has come out with their "new" version of Tom Swift. In much the same way the reboot of "Battlestar Galactica" changed Starbuck to a female, and "Dr. Who" is also a woman, the new "Tom Swift" is both black and gay. I watched about 1/2 hour as I grew up reading those books by Victor Appleton II and wanted to see what they did with it.
Half an hour was all I could stomach. [barf]
I actually prefer Katee Sackhoff's Starbuck to Dirk Benedict's. I thought that character in particular needed an overhaul if they were going to shed the 70's goofiness, and Katee did a good job of it. I also don't think it deserves to get lumped in with the more recent woke character swaps, because BSG did it right, by writing a strong character that made sense in that world. It wasn't just a diversity check box to be filled.
I've neither read nor watched Tom Swift, so I can't speak to that casting.
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"and "Dr. Who" is also a woman"
So?
Would you be equally offended if the Doctor's regeneration brought him back significantly younger or older than his previous self?
If not, why not?
I mean, how in all that is holy can a young doctor regenerate into an old doctor, or vice versa! It's just not natural or right!
The difference between Dr. Who and Tolien's characters is that the Doctor's character didn't come from a previously existing body of work, to be adapted from book form and taken to the big or small screen.
*expletive deleted*it, when Dr. Who started out the Doctor's regeneration hadn't even been conceived of, it was only developed several seasons in when they needed to move past William Hartnell.
The big difference between the BBC and whomever is developing Amazon's Rings?
The BBC is moving past white male doctors to expanding the doctor's universe, NOT to jam a *expletive deleted*ing woke agenda down our throats as Amazon is doing.
If the BBC WERE doing that the Doctor wouldn't have regenerated as a white woman, it would have been a transgender Octaroon touch typist in a wheelchair with a lisp.
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. . . If the BBC WERE doing that the Doctor wouldn't have regenerated as a white woman, it would have been a transgender Octaroon touch typist in a wheelchair with a lisp.
I'm not a Dr. Who fan (at all!) but those who are may be keeping their fingers crossed that BBC writers don't read APS - you may be giving them ideas. :O
;)
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"and "Dr. Who" is also a woman"
So?
Would you be equally offended if the Doctor's regeneration brought him back significantly younger or older than his previous self?
If not, why not?
I mean, how in all that is holy can a young doctor regenerate into an old doctor, or vice versa! It's just not natural or right!
The difference between Dr. Who and Tolien's characters is that the Doctor's character didn't come from a previously existing body of work, to be adapted from book form and taken to the big or small screen.
*expletive deleted*it, when Dr. Who started out the Doctor's regeneration hadn't even been conceived of, it was only developed several seasons in when they needed to move past William Hartnell.
The big difference between the BBC and whomever is developing Amazon's Rings?
The BBC is moving past white male doctors to expanding the doctor's universe, NOT to jam a *expletive deleted*ing woke agenda down our throats as Amazon is doing.
If the BBC WERE doing that the Doctor wouldn't have regenerated as a white woman, it would have been a transgender Octaroon touch typist in a wheelchair with a lisp.
I have zero issues with the doctor being a womb carrier. There's nothing in the history of DW that said he couldn't be one at some point.
Part of the issue I do have is they that also decided to completely rewrite the doctor's history so that he was always a womb carrier and his time as a man was treated as a mistake that needed correcting And they decided to take a big fat dump on Time Lords history as well
That and the change was accompanied by absolutely terrible writing as if they felt they didn't even need to try anymore since the Dr. being a woman was enough to carry the show. The show flat out sucked and it had very little to do Jodie Whittaker. I doubt Tom Baker could have carried the show with this level of god awful writing.
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"Part of the issue I do have is they that also decided to completely rewrite the doctor's history so that he was always a womb carrier and his time as a man was treated as a mistake that needed correcting And they decided to take a big fat dump on Time Lords history as well"
You know, in all of the episodes of Dr. Who I've watched, and it has been every one since the relaunch starting with Christopher Eccelston, I have never once heard or seen the assessment that "he" was always a "woman." You're going to have to explain that one.
And, women Time Lords is a thing that goes back into the earliest days of Dr. Who in the 1960s, starting with Susan, the very first of the Dr.'s companions, who was also his granddaughter.
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"Part of the issue I do have is they that also decided to completely rewrite the doctor's history so that he was always a womb carrier and his time as a man was treated as a mistake that needed correcting And they decided to take a big fat dump on Time Lords history as well"
You know, in all of the episodes of Dr. Who I've watched, and it has been every one since the relaunch starting with Christopher Eccelston, I have never once heard or seen the assessment that "he" was always a "woman." You're going to have to explain that one.
And, women Time Lords is a thing that goes back into the earliest days of Dr. Who in the 1960s, starting with Susan, the very first of the Dr.'s companions, who was also his granddaughter.
"The Timeless Children" - The End of Doctor Who
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlGQgfXtC40
They basically rewrite both the Doctor's and Time Lord history in general.
Think William Hartnell was the first doctor? Nope, it's was a woman.
Yes Susan was a Time Lord, so was Romana, and there were other female Time Lords in other episodes. Not sure what that has to do with this.
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"They basically rewrite both the Doctor's and Time Lord history in general."
And as far as I can tell, it's pretty uniformly been rejected by Whovians everywhere. Supposedly even Chibnal wasn't happy with it, and allegedly the arc will continue into the next Doctor's incarnation.
My guess is that it's going to be as quickly written out of the canon.
Hartnell was the first doctor, because the doctor is a character invented by writers at the BBC in the early 1960s and originated by Hartnell.
But right now we're arguing trivialities.
Again, I believe that the Whoverse is going to continue to reject the arc they've attempted to take the doctor on.
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Eminem is playing Sauron.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8-j6OFMMjk
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The most important thing is the diversity
The 2nd Diversity
3rd Diversity
4th ditto
5th yep diversity again
6th Can you guess?
"We are redressing the balance within the film and television, television industry and of course, this franchise and I hope, lots of franchises moving forward.”"
The Lord Of The Rings: The Rings Of Power Actors Confirm Show Aims To Erase Tolkien’s Work For The Sake Of Modernity
https://boundingintocomics.com/2022/07/25/the-lord-of-the-rings-the-rings-of-power-actors-confirm-show-aims-to-erase-tolkiens-work-for-the-sake-of-modernity/
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That Sauron pic alone would make not to watch it
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What the flipping heck?
Sauron is Eminem with boobs
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Aragorn Is Now A Black Man & The Lord Of The Rings: The Rings Of Power Continues To Be Embarrassed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RuoXiJgq1A
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Eminem is playing Sauron.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8-j6OFMMjk
From what I have heard, that is not Sauron. That is some elf person hunting for the wizard in the show.
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Launching a sodomite Doctor Who during the monkey pox epidemic in the gay community seems like a poor choice of timing.
The leftardity of the franchise killed it a few seasons into the relaunch, it is dead to me.
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"They basically rewrite both the Doctor's and Time Lord history in general."
And as far as I can tell, it's pretty uniformly been rejected by Whovians everywhere. Supposedly even Chibnal wasn't happy with it, and allegedly the arc will continue into the next Doctor's incarnation.
My guess is that it's going to be as quickly written out of the canon.
Hartnell was the first doctor, because the doctor is a character invented by writers at the BBC in the early 1960s and originated by Hartnell.
But right now we're arguing trivialities.
Again, I believe that the Whoverse is going to continue to reject the arc they've attempted to take the doctor on.
I have my doubts they will change course. I haven't seen much evidence that these entertainment groups are prepared to move away from the trend. Over here at least, Disney and others just keep pumping them out. First crack may be Warner Bros, but we will see.
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That’s Gandalf, right?
https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/23/23318098/gandalf-rings-of-power-trailer
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'Rings Of Power' Showrunners Clarify That Any Resemblance To The Works Of Tolkien Is Purely Coincidental
https://babylonbee.com/news/rings-of-power-showrunners-clarify-that-any-resemblance-to-the-works-of-tolkien-is-purely-coincidental
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Tangent, but a pretty convoluted liberal article about why it was wrong to make black people Targeryans in the new House of the Dragon series. Not because the Targeryans are supposed to be an inbred white and white haired clan, but because the Targereyans subjugate "lesser peoples" and it doesn't look good diversity-wise to have a black actor playing that role. ;/
https://www.newsweek.com/when-diversity-casting-hurts-plot-it-hurts-black-actors-viewers-opinion-1736903
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Drinker's Chasers - That Terrible Rings of Power Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLbtgfz9vTY
In the comments
The Rings of Power is the tv show equivalent of Monkeypox.
:rofl:
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"The Timeless Children" - The End of Doctor Who
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlGQgfXtC40
They basically rewrite both the Doctor's and Time Lord history in general.
Think William Hartnell was the first doctor? Nope, it's was a woman.
Yes Susan was a Time Lord, so was Romana, and there were other female Time Lords in other episodes. Not sure what that has to do with this.
They proved it could work by having the Master regenerate into a woman, "Missy". That worked because Missy got good writing. The Doctor has had terrible writing since about Peter Capaldi. Jodie Whittaker has done a fine acting job, but the material is so bad the show sucks. I don't think a male actor would do any better with it. (is Jodie still the Doctor? I've quit watching the show)
"The Timeless Child" retcons the Doctor into an immortal. Immortals are boring because they have nothing at risk.