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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2020, 08:36:50 PM »
Those numbers are actually quite significant.

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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2020, 03:13:13 AM »
SCOTUS has accepted the case and has given the defendant States until 3PM Thursday to respond. This just got a lot more interesting......
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2020, 07:12:35 AM »
Even if SCOTUS overturns the results because the elections were in fact illegal per the Constitution, I strongly doubt the state legislatures will change the result.  Much more likely they will meet and confirm Biden and move on.

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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2020, 08:13:51 AM »
Even if SCOTUS overturns the results because the elections were in fact illegal per the Constitution, I strongly doubt the state legislatures will change the result.  Much more likely they will meet and confirm Biden and move on.

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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2020, 10:17:19 AM »
I had heard a few states would officially support the lawsuit.  17 is quite a bit.  Might not matter, but it might grab more attention.  I guess the impression the judicial branch is trying hard to ignore the whole thing and hope it goes away.  


The federal courts stick their nose in just about every part of our lives and our Govt these days.  I don't know why elections would be special. 

Perhaps because we are a common law nation vs. civil law?
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2020, 12:21:19 PM »
Even if SCOTUS overturns the results because the elections were in fact illegal per the Constitution, I strongly doubt the state legislatures will change the result.  Much more likely they will meet and confirm Biden and move on.

So the 4 states who are getting sued and whose legislatures are Republican and 2 of the 4 have asked to be called back into session wouldn't want to change the result?
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2020, 12:26:03 PM »
Perhaps because we are a common law nation vs. civil law?
I take it back.  Leftist judges generally seem to have no issue deciding elections.  I am sure they will make up a good reason for whatever they do.
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2020, 12:32:51 PM »
So the 4 states who are getting sued and whose legislatures are Republican and 2 of the 4 have asked to be called back into session wouldn't want to change the result?
Want to?  Sure.
Willing to face the riots and violence from the terrorist arm of the Democratic party if they "change the popular vote" (whether that term is in fact accurate or not)?  I doubt it. 

I'm willing to be proven wrong, though.

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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2020, 12:33:23 PM »
So the 4 states who are getting sued and whose legislatures are Republican and 2 of the 4 have asked to be called back into session wouldn't want to change the result?

Do they need a court ruling if that's really what they want to do? I understand it would provide some political cover, but that would still put quite a spotlight on them. I suppose at this point (already certified, after safe harbor date) they might, but they probably could have done more earlier if they were willing to.
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2020, 12:35:09 PM »
Want to?  Sure.
Willing to face the riots and violence from the terrorist arm of the Democratic party if they "change the popular vote" (whether that term is in fact accurate or not)?  I doubt it. 

I'm willing to be proven wrong, though.
If they are truly not willing to act out of fear of rioters, they ought to just resign.  That is pretty much against their oath of office.
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2020, 01:32:20 PM »
Want to?  Sure.
Willing to face the riots and violence from the terrorist arm of the Democratic party if they "change the popular vote" (whether that term is in fact accurate or not)?  I doubt it. 

I'm willing to be proven wrong, though.

I have to agree. Right or wrong is way down the list here. They are deathly afraid of Portland being played out across the country. Sad.
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2020, 02:39:56 PM »
I have to agree. Right or wrong is way down the list here. They are deathly afraid of Portland being played out across the country. Sad.

Let it play out in flyover country, I don't think the outcome would suit the democrats.
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2020, 02:58:23 PM »
While it is really cool that Texas is taking this course with the help of so many other states, SCOTUS will likely punt on this case, as well.  They have no stomach for choosing who wins the election.
In addition, the conservative wing of the court is likely wanting to appease the Democrats in the hope they won't pack the court after January, 2021.  The Democrats have made it abundantly clear that is their intention, regardless of what the justices themselves desire.
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2020, 03:01:31 PM »
If they invalidate those states elections no one would have 270 and it would punt to the house.
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2020, 03:10:49 PM »
If they invalidate those states elections no one would have 270 and it would punt to the house.

Correct. Invalidating the elections simply causes the existing legal process to play out. It's a matter of whether the elections are invalid as a matter of fact and law. Both fact and law seem pretty straightforward, so unless the court can come up with some real gymnastics... we'll see.
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2020, 03:25:13 PM »
While it is really cool that Texas is taking this course with the help of so many other states, SCOTUS will likely punt on this case, as well.  They have no stomach for choosing who wins the election.
In addition, the conservative wing of the court is likely wanting to appease the Democrats in the hope they won't pack the court after January, 2021.  The Democrats have made it abundantly clear that is their intention, regardless of what the justices themselves desire.

I think if they were going to punt it, they would have.  Instead of requiring a response from the defendant States.

Speaking of.... it's 1530.  Did anyone see what the Defendant's response was?
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2020, 03:58:54 PM »
It seems to me that lower level judges deciding the election already happened by allowing Governors/State Judges to change election laws/rules at the last minute.  The question is whether SCOTUS will invalidate that and push those state legislatures to act. 
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2020, 04:06:07 PM »
If they invalidate those states elections no one would have 270 and it would punt to the house.

Might as well just get used to saying President Biden
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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2020, 04:11:23 PM »
Might as well just get used to saying President Biden

If it goes to the House the thought among the pundits is it will almost certainly flip.  Each state only gets one vote, and [I'm told} there are more republican delegations in the house.

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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #45 on: December 10, 2020, 04:40:41 PM »
If it goes to the House the thought among the pundits is it will almost certainly flip.  Each state only gets one vote, and [I'm told} there are more republican delegations in the house.

Yes:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/09/28/how-the-house-could-decide-the-presidential-election-electoral-college-tie-contingent-election/?sh=60d7b1f21bb6

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ETA: even if the House votes to elect Biden, the Senate is almost certain to elect Pence for VP.  So if Biden resigns or is otherwise unable to fulfill his Presidential duties ...


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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #46 on: December 10, 2020, 05:07:58 PM »
Once this debacle is finally over, I hope The History Guy on YouTube does a video on it.

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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #47 on: December 10, 2020, 05:22:13 PM »

ETA: even if the House votes to elect Biden, the Senate is almost certain to elect Pence for VP.  So if Biden resigns or is otherwise unable to fulfill his Presidential duties ...


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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #48 on: December 10, 2020, 05:23:19 PM »

ETA: even if the House votes to elect Biden, the Senate is almost certain to elect Pence for VP.  So if Biden resigns or is otherwise unable to fulfill his Presidential duties ...




I didn't realize the Senate voted for VP.  This is my new favorite possible outcome.  Oh Gods, the lulz.

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Re: Texas Sues GA, MI, PA and WI in USSC
« Reply #49 on: December 10, 2020, 06:44:48 PM »
I didn't realize the Senate voted for VP.  This is my new favorite possible outcome.  Oh Gods, the lulz.

Biden gets 25th'd before he can even swear in.  :P