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Re: We are *expletive deleted*ed
« Reply #225 on: November 08, 2012, 09:16:01 PM »
Words have specific meanings, including secession. You don't get to just redefine it as you see fit.

Indeed.  Nor do you.  I don't think it is a mystery what we are talking about.  A formal, willed separation.
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« Reply #226 on: November 08, 2012, 09:20:09 PM »
:lol:

It's a fracking shame, too... assuming people didn't suck up there, the Olympic Peninsula would be my ideal home.  Or one of the islands in the Sound.  Vashon, Orcas... something with some small town charm to it.

Wouldn't Orcas be a bit too New Agey for you?  :)
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« Reply #227 on: November 08, 2012, 10:41:02 PM »
And I get to pick who performs that service. Just like I got rid of my yard service today. Are you the forum police?  Are you telling me that I need to leave this forum?  Look. If you don't like what I do or say, please exercise your right to ignore me and stay away from me. With my personal life and professional life I have choices to make. Personally I choose to spend my money with folks who are like minded. I'm just extending that to my professional life.

I take it you are not used having your points of view criticized.

I was really rubbed very hard when you equated wages as a gift to the people you employee. That is very similar to the philosophies that many dictators have. You post something on a public forum that may not agree with everyone, you better be open to some sort of criticism.

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Re: We are *expletive deleted*ed
« Reply #228 on: November 08, 2012, 11:41:26 PM »
I take it you are not used having your points of view criticized.

I was really rubbed very hard when you equated wages as a gift to the people you employee. That is very similar to the philosophies that many dictators have. You post something on a public forum that may not agree with everyone, you better be open to some sort of criticism.



Where did I equate wages paid as a gift. 

Critize all you want. I choose to draw a line in the sand.
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« Reply #229 on: November 08, 2012, 11:44:25 PM »
Where did I equate wages paid as a gift. 

Critize all you want. I choose to draw a line in the sand.

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To give equates a gift. I read it as your gave (gift) wages to people.
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Re: We are *expletive deleted*ed
« Reply #230 on: November 08, 2012, 11:49:13 PM »
I could have worded it better. And yes, you took it wrong. I will re word it here. I am not going to employ folks who vote against my interest and who want to have a socialist nation. Period.

I get to do that. I work in an area where what I say either happens or your gone. Period. Thats the way it has been in my career field for decades. Like it or not. I will weed out folks around me, personally and professionally that prefer and advocate for a left leaning nation.
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Re: We are *expletive deleted*ed
« Reply #231 on: November 08, 2012, 11:52:49 PM »
I was really rubbed very hard when you equated wages as a gift to the people you employee. That is very similar to the philosophies that many dictators have.


Actually, he was just using the word in the way that most people use it, when they say things like, "I won't give my money to Hollywood," or "I won't give my money to Such-and-such Corporation that doesn't support [political position]." The money is being earned in all three of those cases, but people have a tendency to use inexact wording.

And if we could stay on the realism train for a few more stops, I might point out that there is nothing particularly extreme or unpleasant about avoiding entanglements with people that oppose one's own goals, interests, or well-being. Or with people that make moral choices one finds extremely offensive. What the Battle Monkey has proposed is nothing more than a boycott.

That being said, is adding these Democrats to the ranks of the unemployed a good option? Would it be better for the Battle Monkey to have a meeting with his employees, where he explains how government policies endanger their business?  ???
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Re: We are *expletive deleted*ed
« Reply #232 on: November 08, 2012, 11:55:42 PM »
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That being said, is adding these Democrats to the ranks of the unemployed a good option? Would it be better for the Battle Monkey to have a meeting with his employees, where he explains how government policies endanger their business? 


Traveled that road. It's no use.
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« Reply #233 on: November 08, 2012, 11:59:52 PM »
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« Reply #234 on: November 09, 2012, 01:23:22 AM »
I'm thinking that in ten years, the map of the US will look more like a wargame board. Things like borders and suchlike won't firm up until further long than 10 years.

And if you want to know how "the revolution" will look, if it comes to open insurrection, watch the last few minutes of Reservoir Dogs. That's our next civil war, in microcosm
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« Reply #235 on: November 09, 2012, 02:36:48 AM »
All of this is one of the reasons I moved to Alabama. I wanted to live in a conservative state, after 50+ years of living in a semi-socialist one. It was nice to see just a handful of Obama bumper stickers, and no Obama lawn signs. Not one. I didn't have to listen to anyone sing his praises.

When I hired employees, I hired those I knew to be at least moderately conservative. No flaming liberals. It's not petty and it's not discriminatory. If I have to be around someone, I want the interactions to be pleasant, not adversarial.

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« Reply #236 on: November 09, 2012, 04:26:36 AM »
I was talking about the possibility--and viability--of secession.  Read carefully.   I have never advocated war or revolution. I have talked about activism or a sober decision to separate.  If war arose from that it would be precipitated by the other side.

I think you have to come to terms with the fact that there is already a war going on. In fact it started at least 50 years ago. And it is against people like us.

I think you need to stop trying to use semantic tricks to avoid saying what you mean. And there are few things I hate more than people calling things that are not wars, a war.
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« Reply #237 on: November 09, 2012, 04:31:30 AM »
Indeed.  Nor do you.  I don't think it is a mystery what we are talking about.  A formal, willed separation.

An attempt at secession would lead to war as you well know, and saying "Well the other guys started it!" makes no difference.

And war shouldn't be used as a metaphor for anything you don't like being done anymore than rape should. It cheapens the real thing when folks use it that way.
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« Reply #238 on: November 09, 2012, 04:54:11 AM »
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That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
 

We're not there.
Yet.

Nor do I think as a country there are enough "hardy souls" to carry out a war of secesion. at present it seems that over half the population likes things they way they are going and of the slightly less than half that don't only a tiny fraction would be willing to actually do something about it, besides America's got new next top survivor idol will be on and after that the big game comes on so ya know maybe next time OK.
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Re: We are *expletive deleted*ed
« Reply #239 on: November 09, 2012, 05:24:50 AM »

And if you want to know how "the revolution" will look, if it comes to open insurrection, watch the last few minutes of Reservoir Dogs. That's our next civil war, in microcosm

.....or Bosnia, in macrocosm.....with drones.....
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« Reply #240 on: November 09, 2012, 10:16:50 AM »
We're not there.
Yet.

Nor do I think as a country there are enough "hardy souls" to carry out a war of secesion. at present it seems that over half the population likes things they way they are going and of the slightly less than half that don't only a tiny fraction would be willing to actually do something about it, besides America's got new next top survivor idol will be on and after that the big game comes on so ya know maybe next time OK.

This. The soft, weak Americans of today have almost nothing in common with the folks who risked their lives to flee to a country for economic opportunity and religous freedom.
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Re: We are *expletive deleted*ed
« Reply #241 on: November 09, 2012, 10:25:48 AM »
I had a talk with a neighbor last night while we both took our trash carts to the street. We got on to the subject of politics, and eventually to the discussion of what to do, including some form of revolution or secession.

This guy is a prominent businessman, a former president of the local chamber of commerce, and very influential in politics. When someone like that starts talking about revolution or secession, you know things have gone too far.

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« Reply #242 on: November 09, 2012, 11:28:19 AM »
What's ironic is that were an employer to terminate a forum member here for owning guns and being a 2A supporter, they'd be all butt-hurt and screaming foul - even though there's no official protection against that sort of discrimination.

However, now we have folks saying they'd terminate employees for exercising their constitutional right to vote, regardless of ticket, and that's ok?

As for canning somebody who's Democrat - I bumped into some nice gun-owning pro-2A folks who were laid off by Romney's Bain goons.  Can you guess why they voted the way they did?

Hint - it wasn't because they wanted to create a socialist utopia...   [tinfoil]




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« Reply #243 on: November 09, 2012, 12:32:26 PM »
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However, now we have folks saying they'd terminate employees for exercising their constitutional right to vote, regardless of ticket, and that's ok?

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« Reply #244 on: November 09, 2012, 12:37:14 PM »
The freedom of association pretty much went out the window with wide scale incorporation of everything and everyone.

Eventually even churches will have to fall in line with the state. These creatures of the state will only be allowed to preach government approved messages.
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Re: We are *expletive deleted*ed
« Reply #245 on: November 09, 2012, 12:48:15 PM »
What's ironic is that were an employer to terminate a forum member here for owning guns and being a 2A supporter, they'd be all butt-hurt and screaming foul - even though there's no official protection against that sort of discrimination.

However, now we have folks saying they'd terminate employees for exercising their constitutional right to vote, regardless of ticket, and that's ok?

As for canning somebody who's Democrat - I bumped into some nice gun-owning pro-2A folks who were laid off by Romney's Bain goons.  Can you guess why they voted the way they did?

Hint - it wasn't because they wanted to create a socialist utopia...   [tinfoil]

I already work at a company where an airing of my political views might get me fired.  Where was the great G98 and his call to stir up civil and criminal legal shenanigans when corporations went PC?  If lefties finally get similar treatment, turn about is fair play.

OTOH, do I have the right to refuse my labor as a potential employee to a company whose politics I disagree with?  If yes, why doesn't an employer have a similar right to deny employment to an employee whose politics he disagrees with?

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Re: We are *expletive deleted*ed
« Reply #246 on: November 09, 2012, 12:52:48 PM »
An attempt at secession would lead to war as you well know, and saying "Well the other guys started it!" makes no difference.

And war shouldn't be used as a metaphor for anything you don't like being done anymore than rape should. It cheapens the real thing when folks use it that way.

No metaphors intended.  The war is on now and has been for years.  The real thing.  It's just unfolding step by step by step.
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« Reply #247 on: November 09, 2012, 12:55:36 PM »
I already work at a company where an airing of my political views might get me fired.  Where was the great G98 and his call to stir up civil and criminal legal shenanigans when corporations went PC?  If lefties finally get similar treatment, turn about is fair play.

OTOH, do I have the right to refuse my labor as a potential employee to a company whose politics I disagree with?  If yes, why doesn't an employer have a similar right to deny employment to an employee whose politics he disagrees with?



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« Reply #248 on: November 09, 2012, 01:02:59 PM »
No metaphors intended.  The war is on now and has been for years.  The real thing.  It's just unfolding step by step by step.

You're obviously unfamiliar with actual war then.
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« Reply #249 on: November 09, 2012, 01:04:17 PM »
You're obviously unfamiliar with actual war then.

War is merely policy continued through other means.
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