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The ultimate knowledge backup archive for humanity
« on: February 25, 2019, 01:32:00 PM »
https://www.fastcompany.com/90311572/lunar-library-30-million-pages-of-backup-human-culture-head-to-moon

https://www.archmission.org/

I have read about this concept in various science fiction stories over the years, but had no idea anyone was actually doing it.  I was reading the mission descriptions about placing archive copies on the Moon, in orbit, on Mars and to Jupiter LaGrange points, but was thinking 'we need copies on Earth as well', when I read the description on the Earth Library to do exactly this.  I see also that one of their storage media can be read with an optical microscope, as opposed to a optical drive such as DVD.  It sounds as if they are really planning for a collapse of technological civilization, and a jump start to restore a technological civilization. 
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Re: The ultimate knowledge backup archive for humanity
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2019, 08:47:16 AM »
If our technological society collapses how will we get to space to find the knowledge we lost including where the knowledge is located?

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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2019, 09:11:55 AM »
If our technological society collapses how will we get to space to find the knowledge we lost including where the knowledge is located?

I had that thought, too, but I suppose the one on earth is supposed to fulfill that role. The ones in space must be planned for visitors in the far future once our species is gone.
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Re: The ultimate knowledge backup archive for humanity
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2019, 09:34:21 AM »
If the one of the moon has a lot of historical information, that could be priceless to a society that rebuilt itself.  Lots of that type of thing might have been lost.
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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2019, 09:50:49 AM »
These types of archives have always fascinated me. One of these days  I have to dig into how they set up their "access infrastructure".

Simply storing the data and some kind of power source to access it would work for say, a global EMP, asteroid strike, total war, etc., since it's likely it could be accessed before people lose their connection to current languages. However, if someone finds the data 100,000 years from now, I wonder if they have some type of instruction set that is not language based to allow/assist access and understanding?

If an interstellar visitor found it, they'd likely have the ability to access and translate given their advanced technology. How do you set it up for, as an example, the equivalent of a Bronze Age human to not only access it, but also not somehow destroy it, intentionally or unintentionally? In the Sci-Fi world, there are often "tests" that have to be completed to ensure the species accessing the data have advanced far enough to use it before the door is opened, so to speak.
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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2019, 11:15:28 AM »
^^^Poking around on the Arch mission website shows that they are working on means to teach our language, etc. in order to allow future people (or aliens, I guess) how to read and access the information.  Also, they are working on long-term storage of technology.  Very interesting to read about the various projects on the website.
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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2019, 11:17:40 AM »
^^^Poking around on the Arch mission website shows that they are working on means to teach our language, etc. in order to allow future people (or aliens, I guess) how to read and access the information.  Also, they are working on long-term storage of technology.  Very interesting to read about the various projects on the website.

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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2019, 12:39:08 PM »
Thgere's something strangely ironic about archiving Wikipedia as a snapshot in time.  Has anybody ever compared entries from a few years apart to see if the info got more accurate or even up to date?
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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2019, 12:49:05 PM »
These types of archives have always fascinated me. One of these days  I have to dig into how they set up their "access infrastructure".

Simply storing the data and some kind of power source to access it would work for say, a global EMP, asteroid strike, total war, etc., since it's likely it could be accessed before people lose their connection to current languages. However, if someone finds the data 100,000 years from now, I wonder if they have some type of instruction set that is not language based to allow/assist access and understanding?

If an interstellar visitor found it, they'd likely have the ability to access and translate given their advanced technology. How do you set it up for, as an example, the equivalent of a Bronze Age human to not only access it, but also not somehow destroy it, intentionally or unintentionally? In the Sci-Fi world, there are often "tests" that have to be completed to ensure the species accessing the data have advanced far enough to use it before the door is opened, so to speak.


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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2019, 04:05:38 PM »
The only way to truly preserve knowledge is through people. People would have to be educated on the knowledge, use the knowledge, pass the knowledge down through the generations, and expand upon it. Having text doesn't necessarily mean you will understand the text even if you can read it. Follow?
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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2019, 04:12:15 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2uHBhKTSe0

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHNEzndgiFI

While funny, that's a single generation, maybe two. Now think ten generations or more.

Though it does still boggle my mind that old timey tech is harder for these kids to understand than new timey tech is for me. Or old timey tech for me and many in my generation and earlier. We seem to have reached some tipping point where people born post 2000 can't grok old stuff.
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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2019, 04:27:51 PM »
The only way to truly preserve knowledge is through people. People would have to be educated on the knowledge, use the knowledge, pass the knowledge down through the generations, and expand upon it. Having text doesn't necessarily mean you will understand the text even if you can read it. Follow?
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Re: The ultimate knowledge backup archive for humanity
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2019, 04:34:48 PM »
I see you and raise you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHNEzndgiFI

While funny, that's a single generation, maybe two. Now think ten generations or more.

Though it does still boggle my mind that old timey tech is harder for these kids to understand than new timey tech is for me. Or old timey tech for me and many in my generation and earlier. We seem to have reached some tipping point where people born post 2000 can't grok old stuff.
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« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2019, 09:16:31 PM »
The only way to truly preserve knowledge is through people. People would have to be educated on the knowledge, use the knowledge, pass the knowledge down through the generations, and expand upon it. Having text doesn't necessarily mean you will understand the text even if you can read it. Follow?

This is also a common trope in science fiction.  The hereditary caste of historians or scientists after civilization collaps that would keep a written or oral history and pass it down through the generations.
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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2019, 11:03:47 PM »
This is also a common trope in science fiction.  The hereditary caste of historians or scientists after civilization collaps that would keep a written or oral history and pass it down through the generations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Canticle_for_Leibowitz
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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2019, 11:26:47 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Canticle_for_Leibowitz

One of my very favorite science fiction novels, and I am surprised it is never been made into a movie.
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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2019, 07:08:48 AM »
One of my very favorite science fiction novels, and I am surprised it is never been made into a movie.

+1. Recommended reading.
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Re: The ultimate knowledge backup archive for humanity
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2019, 01:55:00 PM »
One of my very favorite science fiction novels, and I am surprised it is never been made into a movie.

+1. Recommended reading.

+2.   One of my all-time faves.
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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2019, 02:50:31 PM »
One of my very favorite science fiction novels, and I am surprised it is never been made into a movie.

Ditto on the movie.  It was made into a radio series.  Our local NPR station used to air it, right after The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2019, 02:54:25 PM »
Another example of the trope:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kESfs3PQc3k
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