North American Union, Tinfoil Hattery, or Not?

[Zed]

Read, Watch, Vote then Post.

What is the "North American Union"?

It is the "Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North America" ("SPP" for short) Act that was signed into law by Bush, Fox & the former Canadian Prime Minister in 2005.

What information is available is somewhat ambiguous, but seems to be referring to something that under US law would be outright Treason.
The Merging of Canada, the US & Mexico into a socialist super-state similar to the EU, which would effectively be the end of the USA.
(Would also be the end of the US Constitution, BOR & most likely RKBA)

Here is some Information links on the subject, most of which are recordings of news items.

Official USGOV SPP website:
www.spp.gov

A column from Texas Republican Congressman Ron Paul:
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst082806.htm

Intresting Article:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman/publish/article_4213.shtml

News Videos:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3983625668137040445
http://youtube.com/watch?v=u5036nm5M1g
http://youtube.com/watch?v=AxCeWQ9Ge38

New Currency??? :
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cQ2uedN9Qrg

And Comments from a Canadian Politician:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0uyWiGQ_tgM

so what do you think?

[LAK]

Anyone can invent all the reasons, excuses and explanations for what has been painfully clear for many years now. As in the early years of the European Union, when it began as the European "Common Market" in the 1950s, note the insistant lie that it is all "just about trade".

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[Creeping Incrementalism]

This question asinine.

The EEC, back in the day, really was about free trade--it started as an agreement about trading coal.  The North American Union is about importing cheap labor.  I mean, I could see a U.S.-Canada treaty as really being about trade.  When you throw Mexico in, it is about labor.  Petromex oil and tequila don't come close.

........ this next comment is a little off the topic of this post, but I don't feel like starting a new thread about it.  I go to the Rose Parade most New Years, to the same spot on Colorado that my Grandfather first started going to back in the 30s.  When the Marine Corps band went by, they got a respectible amount of claps, if you compare the volume to the various high school schleps that walk by with ranks curving like they got drunk the night before, got no sleep lining up with the floats at 6 am, and were always into music more than marching in the first place.  The Marines go by in lock-step every year, and blare out the music in precision, despite the fact that the band is just an amalgamation of bands from various SoCal Marine Units.

But when a band goes by from Mexico, they get 10 times the cheers that the Marines do, despite the fact they aren't noticeably better than any of the various high schools bands that go by.  Hell, they get about 5 times the chears that the USC band did.

[The Rabbi]

I forgot that free movement of labor and capital is really a communist plot to deprive us of rights.

[stevelyn]

It's real alright. Jerome Corsi has spoken about it in interviews on Coast to Coast AM and he even has a regular column on the http://www.augustreview.com which a site dedicated to providing information on all things NAU.

This is one of the reasons Presidente El Diablo is reluctant and tap dancing on the border issue. He knows it would be a set-back for the NAU.

Tinfoil hattery? Pass me the Reynold's Wrap.

 

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

I forgot that free movement of labor and capital is really a communist plot to deprive us of rights.

This point bears repeating.  Read it again, folks.

[Art Eatman]

"I  forgot that free movement of labor and capital is really a communist plot to deprive us of rights."

Free movement of labor?  Uh, try your luck at going into Mexico and applying for work.  Try your luck at moving there and getting free medical care or Social Security.  You might read their requirements for becoming a citizen; it's on their website.

Name me any country in the world that does not have some sort of regulations about entry for permanent residdence and work.  Or, explain what's meant by "free movement".

Note that many--if not all--of the "easy tourist entry" counties require that you have a round-trip ticket.

Control--at least on paper, in the form of law--of the movement of labor and capital is universal.

Only the U.S. is targeted as somehow being mean and nasty when trying to enforce a law common to every country on the planet.

Art

[K Frame]

Yep, three weeks from now (SSSSSSHHH!! It's a secret!) George Bush will hold a Constitution Burning Ceremony, at which he will swear American fealty to Canada and Mexico.

Everything North of the Mason Dixon line will now be known as South Canada, and everything below the MD line will be known as North Mexico.

It's already started with that pizza chain in Dallas accepting pesos and the businesses up north accepting loonies. That was the incremental first step.

Before long, the American greenback will be completely replaced, the White House and Capitol will be sold for a horse barn and a hotel, respectively, the Liberty Bell will be smelted down to make manhole covers, etc.

[cosine]

Bartholomew Roberts has made some really good, no B.S., no tinfoilhattery posts on this subject at THR. Probably wouldn't be a bad idea to go back to THR, dig them up again, and reread them.

[The Rabbi]

"I  forgot that free movement of labor and capital is really a communist plot to deprive us of rights."

Free movement of labor?  Uh, try your luck at going into Mexico and applying for work.  Try your luck at moving there and getting free medical care or Social Security.  You might read their requirements for becoming a citizen; it's on their website.

Name me any country in the world that does not have some sort of regulations about entry for permanent residdence and work.  Or, explain what's meant by "free movement".

Note that many--if not all--of the "easy tourist entry" counties require that you have a round-trip ticket.

Control--at least on paper, in the form of law--of the movement of labor and capital is universal.

Only the U.S. is targeted as somehow being mean and nasty when trying to enforce a law common to every country on the planet.

Art

Low taxes are also desirable, as is the absence of government meddling.  But try going to Germany to start a business.  Try starting a business in Russia.
Just because other countries are worse doesnt mean we need to be.  The US has been the leader in tarriff reduction, which has increased trade globally at huge rates.  If we had applied your logic to the trade situation each country would still be hunkered down behind trade barriers wondering why things cost so much.

[Zed]

didn't find those posts, but found this THR topic on the subject

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=206618

[Waitone]

"Free Trade" is the latest variant of foreign aide.  Free trade is something that is done by a willing buyer and willing seller.  It does not take huge organizations to monitor outlandish treaties.  Free trade does not require limitations on sovereignty such as we have with NAFTA, CAFTA, etc.

I support free trade to the max-----just as soon as I see it.

[glockfan.45]

Seeing as how the "NAFTA Super Highway" is already under construction in Texas I would say that crucial step forward is evidence of its reality. Why else do you think all of Washington refuses to do anything with the border?

[LAK]

Creeping Incrementalism

The EEC, back in the day, really was about free trade--it started as an agreement about trading coal.  The North American Union is about importing cheap labor.  I mean, I could see a U.S.-Canada treaty as really being about trade.  When you throw Mexico in, it is about labor.  Petromex oil and tequila don't come close.

The European Common Market was introduced and sold to the public of entry nations as "free trade". It was intended from the beginning as a political union. The EU Commissioner, Romano Prodi, even blurted this out in a public statement that was published by the BBC a few years back, when he openly chastised the leaders of other member states who were being somewhat shy about further integration.

If you peruse the website of the Euro Corps, the emerging euro army, it also notes that the political will was there even in the 1960s. The whole thing has been a well-planned agenda from the beginning. Introduced in increments of course.

Margaret Thatcher was forced out of her own "conservative" party as a direct result of her digging in her heels over Britain's further integration - by her own party leadership, and "conservative" pro-EU Edward Heath took her place.

The NAU is being sold on the same deceptive grounds, to the same ends. It's progression from the beginning has rolled forward in similar fashion. If you examine the founders of this one, going back to the first half of the last century it is clear that a political union has been the intent all along.

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[Waitone]

The NAU is being sold on the same deceptive grounds, to the same ends. It's progression from the beginning has rolled forward in similar fashion. If you examine the founders of this one, going back to the first half of the last century it is clear that a political union has been the intent all along.

True statement with one ever-so-slight modification.  The mistake made by EU advocates was to submit it to the peeps for ratification.  NA power elites went to school and have no such intentions.

[Art Eatman]

National sovereignty includes the right to impose tariffs, does it not?  How else, then, but via  international organizations, do you persuade various nations to reduce or remove tariffs?  Real world, that is; not "should be",

Again, separate this Transportation Corridor from the political stuff.  It's no more than an effort to look into the future, just as, fifty-some years ago, the Interstate Highway System was a look into the future.  Or do you believe there will be less population, trade and travel during the next fifty years?

Note that within the European Community, there aren't tariffs--which raise the cost of living--and you can travel from country to country without going through a customs check at the border stations.  I drove around the Lake Constance area, from Germany through Austria and Switzerland and then back to Germany, and was never bothered at the border crossings.  I wish it were that hassle-free coming back from Mexico.

Art

[Ron]

I wish it were that hassle-free coming back from Mexico.

The nations in Europe are very similar in governmental institutions. Comparing them they are all basically democratic socialist countries. Moving from one to the other is a sideways move.

Coming from Mexico to the US is a huge step up. Mexico has a long way to go before I would be comfortable advocating what you are suggesting.

[Zed]

New vid

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XdxI0zClV_Y

[pluvo]

Seeing as how the "NAFTA Super Highway" is already under construction in Texas I would say that crucial step forward is evidence of its reality. Why else do you think all of Washington refuses to do anything with the border?

The infamous Trans-Texas Corridor

[mfree]

You know... as long as the least restrictive laws (i.e. ours) were embedded, I have no problem inviting Mexico and Canada to join the United States as territories until they ratify the constitution