The ATF Pistol Brace Rule

[Ben]

So HJ44, to halt the pistol rule and which (barely) passed in the house, failed in the senate, 49-51. The dems they were hoping to get, Manchin and Tester, stuck with their party instead. If only one of them had crossed the aisle, Harris would have kiboshed it, so they needed both but got neither.

Of course we all know, and Brandon had made it clear, that he would veto it anyway, but I think we can forget about stuff like this going through congress regardless of who is president. It's gonna be lawsuits and court rulings. Lawmakers are worthless.

[Angel Eyes]

Lawmakers are worthless.

Quoted for truth.

[WLJ]

It better not make it a caliber I don't already load for.

You load 16" Mk 8s?

[BobR]

So HJ44, to halt the pistol rule and which (barely) passed in the house, failed in the senate, 49-51. The dems they were hoping to get, Manchin and Tester, stuck with their party instead. If only one of them had crossed the aisle, Harris would have kiboshed it, so they needed both but got neither.

Of course we all know, and Brandon had made it clear, that he would veto it anyway, but I think we can forget about stuff like this going through congress regardless of who is president. It's gonna be lawsuits and court rulings. Lawmakers are worthless.

It failed 49-50. Sen Coons was absent due to "precautionary medical tests".

bob

[HankB]

I really don't know why some GOP members consider Manchin the next best thing to sliced bread - once in a while he votes for what's good for America, but more often than not, he doesn't.

[cordex]

I really don't know why some GOP members consider Manchin the next best thing to sliced bread - once in a while he votes for what's good for America, but more often than not, he doesn't.

The fact that he isn't 100% in party lockstep and sometimes is willing to break ranks for his constituents is notable and laudable.

[Pb]

He sometimes sides with the people who voted for him.  That's damning with faint praise.

[dogmush]

I'm sure the .06% of brace owners that apparently care about this rule are upset by this vote.

[WLJ]

I'm sure the .06% of brace owners that apparently care about this rule are upset by this vote.

[WLJ]

If I'm understanding this right basically the NRA tried to jump in late probably so that they could take credit. Judge slapped them down.

Federal Judge Denies NRA From Intervening In ATF Pistol Brace Lawsuit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wT4eRRAOOo

[dogmush]

It's the NRA, so they were probably trying to file on the ATF's side.  No one has ever seen a wood pistol brace.

[MechAg94]

What I heard is they were jumping in trying to get an injunction to apply to all NRA members.  It sounded to me like the judge told them "too little, too late" and denied it. 

[cordex]

For the reason I am making an SBR, I initially typed in "Forced to because of arbitrary and capricious rulings on the part of the ATF" but remembered I'm supposed to say "All lawful purposes".

Got the first approval for my AR9. Still waiting on my other one.

Guess I get to buy some real stocks now.

Kind of surprised they took the fingerprints that I rolled myself.

[dogmush]

That's a long time for a eForm 1.  I wonder what the "normal" thruput is and if that 250,000 was a significant dump of forms for them.

[cordex]

That's a long time for a eForm 1.  I wonder what the "normal" thruput is and if that 250,000 was a significant dump of forms for them.

I submitted it at the last possible moment, so I am probably one of the last ones to get mine looked at.

Also my first eForm.  My last paper suppressor transfer was around 12 months so I was quite happy. 

Dogmush, do you have an SBR stock you like?  I'm mostly into Magpul CTRs for my AR stocks but I'm open to other options since I'm sure there is some new hotness I haven't kept up with.

[dogmush]

I like the Magpul SL series.  I think the lock is a good improvement over the CTR double lever setup and mine are tight enough I don't miss the friction lock at all.  For an SBR, I lean towards the SL-K or SL-M as they are a little shorter and smaller it's just annoying you have to buy an adapter if you want a QD cup.

I have a Viltor EMOD on my MK12 which is a really nice stock, but it reminds me that it's pretty hard for the fancy $100 stocks to be twice as good as a $45 Magpul.

I have seen and shouldered, but not shot yet, the newish Reptilia RECC-E and it is really cool, light and comfortable.  You might look at that if you want to spend some money.

[MechAg94]

As an FYI on approval times, I just got a suppressor stamp in 8 months or so.  Mid-January to early August.  Got an email with the attached paperwork from the eforms website.  No paper with the actual stamp. 

[dogmush]

As an FYI on approval times, I just got a suppressor stamp in 8 months or so.  Mid-January to early August.  Got an email with the attached paperwork from the eforms website.  No paper with the actual stamp.

Yeah eForm 4's are still running 8-10 months.  I had been getting my eForm1's in 14-30 days as recently as last march.  I haven't dropped one since this whole pistol brace rodeo started, but 3 months used to be a long time for eForm 1's

[RoadKingLarry]

What's the expected turn around of which-ever form for a suppressor using an outfit like Silencer Shop?

I'm still considering picking one up for my Ruger American Rimfire.

[cordex]

What's the expected turn around of which-ever form for a suppressor using an outfit like Silencer Shop?

I'm still considering picking one up for my Ruger American Rimfire.

From what I've seen most are around eight months.

But the sooner you start the timer, the sooner you'll get through it.  You definitely need one.  If you never buy another suppressor, you at least need a decent one for .22LR.

[dogmush]

What's the expected turn around of which-ever form for a suppressor using an outfit like Silencer Shop?

I'm still considering picking one up for my Ruger American Rimfire.

In the last two years, all individual....

My Sandman (last paper Form 4 I did) took right at 14 months.
The Nomad took 9 months (Jun14 22-Mar 9-23)
The RC2 took 7.5 months (Sep 2 22- Apr 14 23)
The 3 I dropped in Jun this year are obviously still pending

The Official ATF Eform4-Indv wait time is 190 days, while Silencer Shop's tracking of their kiosks say 8 days to 8 months, with 6 months being the median.

[dogmush]

Oh, I totally forgot, I also dropped a Form 4 on a Rugged Razor on Feb 23 2023.  That one's at 184 days and counting, so it should be coming out pretty soon.

Yes, I have a problem.  I have a problem with loud guns.

And the Rugged came back yesterday, so 189 days.

[Pb]

I'm still considering picking one up for my Ruger American Rimfire.

Just get it.  You won't regret it.  The sooner you order the sooner it will arrive.

[cordex]

Still waiting on one SBR approval despite both being filed the same evening.  I put an SL-K on the one that was approved (thanks dogmush).

[HankB]

The fact that he isn't 100% in party lockstep and sometimes is willing to break ranks for his constituents is notable and laudable.

I could say much the same about a broken clock because it's right twice a day.