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Another way to look at "Heller vs DC"
« on: February 20, 2008, 07:29:03 PM »
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Gay rights and gun rights
 
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         Published 02/14/2008     
          by Dale Carpenter
                         
 
 Though it's gotten very little attention in the gay press, an important case affecting the lives of gays and lesbians is now pending in the U.S. Supreme Court. The case challenges the constitutionality of the District of Columbia's unusually strict gun-control law, which bans handguns and effectively prevents people from possessing firearms for self-defense in their own homes.
 
 A brief filed in the case, on which I offered some counsel, argues that the law is especially harmful to gay Americans. The brief joins a large coalition of groups, including the National Rifle Association, arguing for individual rights under the Second Amendment.
 
 The brief was filed on behalf of Pink Pistols and Gays and Lesbians for Individual Liberty. Pink Pistols is an international group formed a few years ago with the basic mission of advocating gun ownership and training in the proper use of firearms by gay people. GLIL is a libertarian gay group that consistently defends individual rights.
 
 The gay gun-rights brief argues that the D.C. gun-control law violates the Second Amendment, long the forgotten and some say most "embarrassing" part of the Bill of Rights. The Second Amendment says: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
 
 Many people have long argued that the reference to "a well-regulated militia" means that the right is limited to citizens serving collectively in a modern-day military force, like the National Guard. Under this interpretation, the amendment would not protect any individual right to bear arms outside the militia context, meaning that the government can entirely ban private gun ownership, even guns needed for self-defense in the home.
 
 However, as even many liberal scholars now acknowledge, that interpretation makes little sense of the text and history of the amendment and of the Bill of Rights generally, which contains a series of individual rights.
 
 The gay gun-rights brief adds an important perspective to this argument. It makes several points about the connection between firearms, gay rights, and the practical self-defense needs of gay Americans.
 
 First, the brief argues that the right to keep and bear arms is especially instrumental for a population at once subject to pervasive hate violence and inadequate police protection.
 
 From 1995 to 2005, according to the FBI, more than 13,000 incidents of anti-gay hate violence were reported by law enforcement agencies. When you consider that fewer than half of all violent crimes are reported, it is certain that even this number seriously underestimates the problem.
 
 Worse still, gays are often afraid to report anti-gay crimes. There is a sorry history of hostile or skeptical police response, public disclosure of the victim's sexual orientation, and even physical abuse by the police themselves. Investigative bias and lack of police training further complicate the picture. The upshot is that gays must be responsible for their own defense; they cannot rely solely on law enforcement for it.
 
 Anti-gay hate crimes share several other characteristics that make the use of firearms for self-defense especially significant. Such crimes are unusually brutal, often involving multiple and vicious attacks. They are highly likely to involve multiple assailants. Attackers often themselves use guns, making anything short of a like defense almost completely ineffective.
 
 Surprisingly, almost one-third of anti-gay bias crimes occur in the home, the precise location where the D.C. gun law forbids the effective possession of firearms for self-protection.
 
 Its true that gun possession does not guarantee protection from violent crime. The gun may be incompetently used, for example. But where the Constitution itself protects an individual right, it is not for the government to say the citizen may not enjoy the right simply because she may not make effective use of it.
 
Second, the gay gun-rights brief points out that unless the Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess firearms, gay Americans are effectively disqualified from any exercise of the right. That's because under the current prevailing interpretation of the Constitution, the government may entirely exclude gays and lesbians from military service ("the militia").
 
 If the Second Amendment protects only the collective right of a state's citizens to possess arms within a militia, and if gays may be excluded from that militia, then the Second Amendment is a dead letter for gay Americans. They have no rights on the subject the government is bound to respect.

 
 I do not own a gun. Frankly, I don't much like them and have never felt I needed one for protection. But for many other gay people, especially the ones living on the margins of life in crime-prone or anti-gay areas, owning a gun is one important part of a comprehensive plan for protecting life and property.
 
 Gun ownership might, at the very least, give them peace of mind. And widespread knowledge that many gays are packing might give their would-be attackers second thoughts. Gun rights are gay rights.
 
 
 Dale Carpenter is a law professor. He can be reached at mailto:OutRight@aol.com. Some of his past columns can be read at http://www.indegayforum.com


Original article at: http://ebar.com/columns/column.php?sec=outright&article=60
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Re: Another way to look at "Heller vs DC"
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2008, 04:08:30 AM »
What if Andrew Shepard had a gun?
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Gun ownership might, at the very least, give them peace of mind. And widespread knowledge that many gays are packing might give their would-be attackers second thoughts. Gun rights are gay rights.

That sums it up.  For the weak, the old, the infirm, the discriminated, the targeted, a firearm is the ultimate equalizer.  A 90lb grandmother can take on two thugs.  A Gay man can defend himself against gay bashers.  A black man can stop a lynching.
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Re: Another way to look at "Heller vs DC"
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2008, 05:05:32 AM »
He's hit on a very salient point, one that I've mentioned several times when people say "well, everyone is on the militia anyway" or words to that effect. 

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Re: Another way to look at "Heller vs DC"
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2008, 04:34:30 PM »
What if Andrew Shepard had a gun?

Matthew Shepard?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard

Yes.  Excellent point.
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Re: Another way to look at "Heller vs DC"
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2008, 02:26:00 AM »
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Re: Another way to look at "Heller vs DC"
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2008, 10:21:00 AM »
That is all fine and dandy.

However, I do not have to be a 90 lbs gay paraplegic grandma before I have the right to keep and bear arms, and use them in self-defense and defense of others. IMO, while such legal tricks can help slow down the progress of gun control, in the end such tactics does not address the root of the problem - a cultural shift to socialism within which personal rights are of decreasing value and force.

As a community, gunowners are better served by a stiff philosophical defense of RKBA as a fundamental individual right, which does not need to be justified by subsidiary or lateral arguments.

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Re: Another way to look at "Heller vs DC"
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2008, 03:00:28 PM »
CAnnoneer,

I don't see this as suggesting that you should have to be this, that, or the other in order to have the right to keep and bear arms; rather, I see it as an attempt to bring the issue home to people who normally wouldn't think about it this way.  Gay folks are, by and large, aligned with the anti-gun crowd, and they of all people are ones who ought to think through things like personal self-defense.

You have to meet people where they live.  Most gay people don't want to own a gun.  So fundamentalist second-amendment arguments aren't going to sway them.  But telling them that, should they ever decide they need a gun for self defense, the government has ruled that they cannot, is a valid point, and one that may win some mindshare.

Small steps.  Not everyone can go from anti to purist in one leap.

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Re: Another way to look at "Heller vs DC"
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2008, 04:44:55 PM »
How does sexual orientation have any bearing on an individual's affirmative right to self defense?Huh??

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Re: Another way to look at "Heller vs DC"
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2008, 10:30:18 PM »
In this case, it bolsters that right by saying that certain demographics, under the "collective right" theory, have no gun rights at all.  Therefore, if we consider all Americans to be equal, the collective right theory is wrong.  It also serves as notice to the gay community that they do themselves a disservice by embracing gun control.  And you ARE aware of the origins of gun control in America, right?
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Re: Another way to look at "Heller vs DC"
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2008, 10:52:44 PM »
How does sexual orientation have any bearing on an individual's affirmative right to self defense?Huh??

Simple. If your sexual orientation considered out of the norm by 'societal standards', you need guns.  Lots of them.  So when the loonies come for you, you shoot them.

I think in this case, the gentleman writing out the article points out the antis think the 2A applies only to the militia, which they argue is the National Guard.  Gays are forbidden from joining military service.  Ergo, the antis think gays should not have firearms under any circumstances whatsoever.
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Re: Another way to look at "Heller vs DC"
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2008, 02:40:41 AM »
How does sexual orientation have any bearing on an individual's affirmative right to self defense?Huh??

It doesn't.
What it has a bearing on is that they should embrace the principles of the 2nd amendment, and of self defense through any means necessary. They are minorities targeted for violence.  Many of them are "liberal", and by resisiting the principles of the 2nd amendment they actually make themselves better targets for violent discrimination.
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Re: Another way to look at "Heller vs DC"
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2008, 05:18:00 AM »
How does sexual orientation have any bearing on an individual's affirmative right to self defense?Huh??

It doesn't, but listen up, I'm gonna  spell this out... nice and simple like...

1.  Gays are a stereotypical liberal special interest group;

2.  Liberals are generally anti-gun;

3.  Gays are often targeted for violence (e.g. Shepard) because of WHO they are;

4.   By conservative principle, everyone has a right to defend them self;

5.  Guns are the ultimate equalizer (e.g. frail effeminate gay man with a Glock vs. hairy 300 lb illiterate sister-raper with a baseball bat)

6.   Liberals depend on special interest groups for power (see #1);

7.  By convincing (or planting the seed) that gays stand to gain much by carrying, the the liberals (anti-gun) may
     need to rethink their platform on anti gun legislation, or risk loosing a special interest

8.  It confuses liberals when their special interests conflict with one another;

9.  It's fun to confuse liberals by juxtaposing the liberal idea of basic human rights
      (e.g. free to live without fear of wanton shootings, sexual predestination)
      with the conservative view of human rights right to (e.g. right to bear arms, protect ones self and family)

10. http://www.pinkpistols.org/

11.  I'm not gay, as far as you know.   grin

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