Vegas strip mass shooting!

[230RN]

Weaponised autism found a guy that looks like him named Steve at an anti-Trump rally in Reno, NV in August wearing a pink kitty hat and a NASA T-shirt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzO0lgvQID0

https://twitter.com/vsvs_a/status/914920065400795137  Video of someone walking up to the guy in question and saying "Hi Steve."

I know he worked for Lockheed from 1985-1988, I will see if I can better link him to NASA and see what else I can find.

If that is him, I hope somebody's capturing any videos like that independently before the antifas start cleansing them from the net.

Terry

[Ben]

They want us disarmed, but they also want us dead. So what, again, is my motivation to disarm?

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2017/10/02/i-want-every-trump-supporter-dead-j-r-salzman-exposes-todays-compassionate-liberals/

[Angel Eyes]

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-las-vegas-shooting-live-updates-paddock-had-19-rifles-in-room-1506985512-htmlstory.html

Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas shooter, had an arsenal of 17 weapons in his hotel room, mostly military-style rifles, according to a law enforcement source.

At least one of them had been modified with a legal “bump stock” style device that allows the shooter to rapidly fire off rounds without actually converting it to a fully automatic weapon, the source said.

The devices modify the gun’s stock so that the recoil helps accelerate how quickly the shooter can pull the trigger. The devices are legal in the U.S.

Other weapons may have been converted to fully automatic fire, and were still being examined, the source said.

Paddock had four Daniel Defense DDM4 rifles, three FN-15s and other rifles made by Sig Sauer.

So probably no full auto, but one or more bump-fire stocks.

Four Daniel Defense rifles.  That's a bit of money.

Also: apparently the L.A. Times can't decide if he had 17 guns or 19.

[griz]

Second, I have never been to Vegas. Can someone who has tell me if perhaps the concert was just a target of opportunity, and perhaps the perp had (maybe) originally just planned on shooting down at the Strip on a Sunday night?

He would have had to have been spectacularly lucky if it wasn't planned that way.  It was the last night of a three day event, so the headliner was playing.  That hotel would have been sold out for a while with an event that big in town, so he probably booked the room weeks ahead.  And he had tens of thousands of people jammed tightly in an area fenced to keep people out, which of course keeps them in too.  My understanding (forgot the source) was that some folks breached the fence on the opposite side to escape.  That put them on the airport property.  Not sure if it was people on the runway or reasonable concern over nearby gunfire but they shut down the airport for a while.

[Hawkmoon]

Source please? Not doubting, just don't want to post without a source link.

Sorry. I can't divulge my source. In fact, I may already have posted too much, because in a subsequent e-mail to me, my friend said his friend (the retired cop) had told him not to share. (Which I why I no longer tell anything to this particular friend unless I absolutely want to share it with the world.)

I am curious about the time line. Someone on here posted that it took the police 72 minutes to find the guy and neutralize him. The retired Las Vegas cop said ten minutes. Which was it?

[RoadKingLarry]

I've heard both time lines.
Gonna be a while before the "official narrative" is finalized for promulgation.
In the mean time the conspiracy theory generator is spinning up to warp speed.

[Perd Hapley]

They want us disarmed, but they also want us dead. So what, again, is my motivation to disarm?

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2017/10/02/i-want-every-trump-supporter-dead-j-r-salzman-exposes-todays-compassionate-liberals/

After Sandy Hook, Pulse nightclub, Charleston, and San Bernardino, she must have wanted every Obama supporter to be 24 feet underground.

[T.O.M.]

Anyone heard anything about a break-down of casualties?  I'm curious about the number wounded/killed by gunfire versus the number wounded/killed by the stampede or by fleeing the scene.

Oh, and the usual suspects around the courthouse are yelling about silencers, "military grade" firearms, and, my personal favorite, the need for a national database of people with serious mental health issues...

[Perd Hapley]

Oh, and the usual suspects around the courthouse are yelling about silencers, "military grade" firearms, and, my personal favorite, the need for a national database of people with serious mental health issues...

In the middle of a concert, would anyone even hear unsuppressed rifle fire from a 32-story window?


https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2017/10/02/hot-take-las-vegas-shooting-suspect-enjoying-white-privilege-even-in-death/

Yeah, 'cause they never try to humanize minority criminals, or make them seem like friendly, gentle giants.

[freakazoid]

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-las-vegas-shooting-live-updates-paddock-had-19-rifles-in-room-1506985512-htmlstory.html

So probably no full auto, but one or more bump-fire stocks.

Four Daniel Defense rifles.  That's a bit of money.

Also: apparently the L.A. Times can't decide if he had 17 guns or 19.

Twice they mentioned how they are legal.

He would have had to have been spectacularly lucky if it wasn't planned that way.  It was the last night of a three day event, so the headliner was playing.

Had checked in on the 28th. I heard that there were other events going on before too, but this is the one he shot up.

Four Daniel Defense rifles.  That's a bit of money

I've heard he had quite a bit of money.

[purequackery]

I am curious about the time line. Someone on here posted that it took the police 72 minutes to find the guy and neutralize him. The retired Las Vegas cop said ten minutes. Which was it?

From listening to the police audio, at around 30 minutes into the recording dispatch asked if anyone had heard any shooting recently.  One of the cops who was pinned down somewhere said he'd heard nothing for about 15 minutes.  Meanwhile, SWAT and other units were still evacuating the floor, getting into position, and making sure the suspect couldn't escape.

I don't know anything about when the suspect killed himself.  Was there somebody in the hall or at his door who spooked him 10-15 minutes into the shooting, causing him to kill himself?  Did he spontaneously shoot himself early on?  Was he watching TV for the rest of the time until SWAT was about to enter, and only then shot himself?  What's more certain is that, however long it took him to decide to kill himself, he'd stopped shooting outside after 10-15 minutes.

SWAT must have delayed about an hour from last known shots in order to improve their odds, since the active shooter wasn't active.

[freakazoid]

Haven't heard any more info on it, but apparently he set up a surveillance system to monitor for when the police show up.

[BobR]

This seems to have a pretty good timeline on it.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/02/us/mandalay-bay-vegas-shooting.html

He shot a Mandalay Bay security guard but other than a passing reference a couple of times I haven't heard anything else about it.

bob

[Ben]

It was bad enough when shadow president Hillary Clinton decided to tie the mass shooting to the NRA and current legislation regarding noise suppressors.

That was irresponsible at best, but not new for the Democrats. We all know Clinton knows nothing about firearms, but a former FBI agent?

As The Daily Caller reported, Manny Gomez, a former FBI agent who was a guest on MSNBC on Monday, told the host that “hunters would make an argument that they need that so that their target, whether it’s a deer, etc. don’t hear the shot.”

[Hawkmoon]

As The Daily Caller reported, Manny Gomez, a former FBI agent who was a guest on MSNBC on Monday, told the host that “hunters would make an argument that they need that so that their target, whether it’s a deer, etc. don’t hear the shot.”

Back in 2004, when the federal assault weapons ban was expiring, I was in a small gun shop when a reporter came in to ask the shop owner what the AWB was all about. This is a guy who had, at the time, been in the firearms business for 25 or 30 years. I stood there and listened as he explained the flash hiders are so the person being shot at doesn't see the muzzle flash.

Yes, he really said that. To a reporter.  

In fact;

[Angel Eyes]

I know this is premature, but I wonder if Paddock's autopsy will show any abnormalities in his brain, akin to Charles Whitman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_tower_shooting).  Both had a fondness for gambling, but we haven't seen evidence that Paddock had violent impulses as Whitman did (other than his actions last night, obviously).

[Perd Hapley]

https://twitchy.com/sd-3133/2017/10/02/oof-ben-shapiro-shuts-down-math-challenged-gun-grabber-kumail-nanjiani/

[wmenorr67]

Of the injured how many are going to be less than whole?  Considering the angle of attack, going to see a lot head shots.

[French G.]

I know this is premature, but I wonder if Paddock's autopsy will show any abnormalities in his brain, akin to Charles Whitman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_tower_shooting).  Both had a fondness for gambling, but we haven't seen evidence that Paddock had violent impulses as Whitman did (other than his actions last night, obviously).

Just no. I and several others here love to play cards, but we don't shoot up the place. No different than the lefties calling all of us mass killers in waiting since we have more guns than north Korea.

[230RN]

Quote from: Angel Eyes on October 02, 2017, 11:13:57 PM

I know this is premature, but I wonder if Paddock's autopsy will show any abnormalities in his brain...

I wonder how that would work if he had shot himself in the head.  Wouldn't all the bullet damage tend to mask abnormalities?

Don't know, so I'm asking.  But let's keep any photos at least G-rated, OK?  I'm thinking of some of our more fragile readers.

Terry

[Ben]

More info on firearms. No idea on the accuracy, though I suspect the updated number of guns in the hotel room is closer to correct. Same lack of knowledge on firearm operation and laws as most every other story.

Note the part where the neighbors saw the "refrigerator sized safe" in his garage. I guess I'm on a list now, because i have one of those too.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/03/23-firearms-found-in-mandalay-bay-hotel-room-occupied-by-las-vegas-gunman.html


Edit: Also notice the "explosives" comment. I'm betting "explosives" are either propellant or maybe Tannerite. It could be he had black powder, but we'll see.

[Ben]

Also I just saw Trump on the teevee just before leaving for his trip to PR. He said, "We're going to have a conversation on gun control." I don't know what that will mean.

Also as I was typing the line above, I heard a former Assistant FBI Director talking about how he could hear from the audio tapes that the shooter used "military grade projectiles".  

I just assume the MSM will always say whacky stuff, but it really irritates me when supposedly trained LE spew nonsense like that, because people without firearms knowledge tend to cite them as "experts".

[Hawkmoon]

More info on firearms. No idea on the accuracy, though I suspect the updated number of guns in the hotel room is closer to correct. Same lack of knowledge on firearm operation and laws as most every other story.

Note the part where the neighbors saw the "refrigerator sized safe" in his garage. I guess I'm on a list now, because i have one of those too.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/03/23-firearms-found-in-mandalay-bay-hotel-room-occupied-by-las-vegas-gunman.html


Edit: Also notice the "explosives" comment. I'm betting "explosives" are either propellant or maybe Tannerite. It could be he had black powder, but we'll see.

Tannerite.

Update from my friend who knows the rertired Las Vegas police officer. Not sure if these are the cop's words or my friend's summary:

Latest news:

21 rifles found in the room, 308 and 5.56 caliber. 13 suitcases full of ammo, magazines and guns. 90 lbs of Tannerite. 14 more rifles at home. From the pictures I have at least one rifle was equipped with a bump fire stock. I also counted 15 high capacity magazines laying around stacked on the floor, and a suitcase full of standard capacity magazines.

No idea yet of why he did it.

So, 21 rifles ... we know he had at least one handgun, so one more would get us to 23. Don't know why the Tannerite. IED, maybe?

[Hawkmoon]

Also as I was typing the line above, I heard a former Assistant FBI Director talking about how he could hear from the audio tapes that the shooter used "military grade projectiles".  

That would be the same "expert" who said silencers [sic] are so the target can't hear the sound of the shot?

"Military grade projectiles" sounds so evil and scary-like, but the reality is that both M109 and M855 rounds for the AR-15 are "military grade." One is what I carried in Vietnam, the other is (I believe) still standard issue for the M16 and M4, except for special ops units. Those two make up the bulk of 5.56x45 ammo sold everywhere. So his statement is probably true, but obviously phrased to advance a strong anti-gun agenda.

[Ben]

That would be the same "expert" who said silencers [sic] are so the target can't hear the sound of the shot?

No, it's a different one. Which is worse, because it's an indicator of more widespread lack of basic firearms knowledge (or an agenda) in the FBI.