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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: MillCreek on July 27, 2014, 02:34:53 PM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2707570/Schoolgirl-Abigail-Hendandez-15-reappeared-week-vanishing-nine-months-ago-lost-lot-weight-deteriorated-health-say-family.html
I wonder what the story is with this. My first thought was to wonder if she was pregnant and either her family or the boyfriend's family shipped her out of town to have the baby.
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or she shipped herself out of town.
Weird, but as much as I understand the communities frustration and that of the boyfriends father, it's really none of their goddamn business. The girls privacy comes before their need to know anything.
Considering how closed mouthed the police are, I have a feeling that whatever happened is something she really would rather not have broadcast on the 6 o'clock news.
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My guess is that she was pregnant and went away to have the child.
She's safe. Beyond that, it's a family matter (unless she tells the police that she was abducted).
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Well so far what she has told the police has convinced them there's a crime. (According to article)
I tend to believe them when they say she's not really sure what happened. There's lots of nasty mental games that an adult can do to a child. And drugs.
I'm glad that she's home and hope that she gets whatever help she's going to need to keep this from destroying her life. And whatever they did or did not do, I hope they find whatever adults was helping her, and bring them to their just deserts.
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My guess is that she was pregnant and went away to have the child.
She's safe. Beyond that, it's a family matter (unless she tells the police that she was abducted).
Even if there is police involvement because a crime was committed, it's still not anyone else's business. She's a minor and possibly a victim, she has rights to a certain degree of privacy and discretion.
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Hopefully she turns out to be an international teenage madam.
I bet she's spent the last seven or nine months(the article says both) circling the globe recruiting prostitutes from the Third World.I bet there are containers en route from India,Colombia,China,and Ethiopia AS WE SPEAK,full of innocent hookers who are about to decend on New Hamshire like a plague.I believe the cops are stayin quiet because they are complicit with the deal.
C'mon.It'd be a lot more interesting than a teenager that went to live with an aunt for nine months to have a kid out of wedlock.
>:D
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Well so far what she has told the police has convinced them there's a crime. (According to article)
It's possible. But it wouldn't be the first time someone has claimed they were abducted in order to cover up something else. How about the stripper who claimed she was raped by the Duke lacrosse team?
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It's possible. But it wouldn't be the first time someone has claimed they were abducted in order to cover up something else. How about the stripper who claimed she was raped by the Duke lacrosse team?
Racist!
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Hopefully she turns out to be an international teenage madam.
I bet she's spent the last seven or nine months(the article says both) circling the globe recruiting prostitutes from the Third World.I bet there are containers en route from India,Colombia,China,and Ethiopia AS WE SPEAK,full of innocent hookers who are about to decend on New Hamshire like a plague.I believe the cops are stayin quiet because they are complicit with the deal.
C'mon.It'd be a lot more interesting than a teenager that went to live with an aunt for nine months to have a kid out of wedlock.
>:D
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There's a good chance a 14 year old child was abducted and held captive for 9 months, and your response is to make jokes and call her a whore? What the hell is wrong with you?
People who kidnap children don't generally do it for nice reasons. A teen girl gets taken and I'd say the odds she was raped repeatedly over her captivity are pretty high. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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There's a good chance a 14 year old child was abducted and held captive for 9 months, and your response is to make jokes and call her a whore? What the hell is wrong with you?
People who kidnap children don't generally do it for nice reasons. A teen girl gets taken and I'd say the odds she was raped repeatedly over her captivity are pretty high. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Not at all.You know absolutely nothing about what happened.Same as me.Until there's something to indicate otherwise,your suggestions that she was kidnapped and raped are just,I don't know,your own perverse ideas?
It's entirely possible that she dis-appeared for any number of reasons that don't include any criminal mischief.
In the absence of proof,speculation is all you can do.You choose to wring your hands and make stuff up.I choose to be flippant and make stuff up.
Don't get it?Shame on YOU.
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Not at all.You know absolutely nothing about what happened.Same as me.Until there's something to indicate otherwise,your suggestions that she was kidnapped and raped are just,I don't know,your own perverse ideas?
It's entirely possible that she dis-appeared for any number of reasons that don't include any criminal mischief.
In the absence of proof,speculation is all you can do.You choose to wring your hands and make stuff up.I choose to be flippant and make stuff up.
Don't get it?Shame on YOU.
That is factually incorrect. We have an idea of what happened (she was taken and hid for an extended period of time by an adult, she does not clearly remember it, she is suffering physically, a crime has been committed), you are just choosing to ignore it, call the girl a liar, and then joke about how you hope she's a whore. Pathetic, especially for someone who's always going on about his old fashioned upbringing. Was calling kidnapped children liars and whores part of that?
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That is factually incorrect. We have an idea of what happened (she was taken and hid for an extended period of time by an adult, she does not clearly remember it, she is suffering physically, a crime has been committed), you are just choosing to ignore it, call the girl a liar, and then joke about how you hope she's a whore. Pathetic, especially for someone who's always going on about his old fashioned upbringing. Was calling kidnapped children liars and whores part of that?
Taken for an extended time by an adult?Really?That's a crime now?
You've interviewed her?YOU know what she remembers?
She's in deteriorated health and has lost a lot of weight?Maybe she's scared?Lost a lot of weight?Maybe she just gave birth out of wedlock,as has been theorized already.
Ignore what?There is no proof.
My upbring included the stories of children,who were embarrassing to their families,that were sent away for months to years to deliver a child,re-cuperate,and put it up fpr adoption.
Your outrage is predictable.The fact that you are so quick to judge based on a dearth of information means,to me,that it'll be fun in the future to manipulate you.
You have a nice day.
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Taken for an extended time by an adult?Really?That's a crime now?
You've interviewed her?YOU know what she remembers?
She's in deteriorated health and has lost a lot of weight?Maybe she's scared?Lost a lot of weight?Maybe she just gave birth out of wedlock,as has been theorized already.
Ignore what?There is no proof.
My upbring included the stories of children,who were embarrassing to their families,that were sent away for months to years to deliver a child,re-cuperate,and put it up fpr adoption.
Your outrage is predictable.The fact that you are so quick to judge based on a dearth of information means,to me,that it'll be fun in the future to manipulate you.
You have a nice day.
We do not have a dearth of information. You are merely choosing to ignore it and call this girl a liar. I eagerly await your attempted manipulations, hopefully they're somewhat more subtle than calling a kidnapped child a liar and a whore.
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We do not have a dearth of information. You are merely choosing to ignore it and call this girl a liar. I eagerly await your attempted manipulations, hopefully they're somewhat more subtle than calling a kidnapped child a liar and a whore.
If you read the artice you'll see that they don't have information.
If there's nothing to ignore how can I ignore it?
The girl isn't saying anything.How can I call her a liar if she's not said ...anything?
Were you involved Balog?That you know,beyond a doubt,that she was kidnapped?Because you'd apparently be the only one.
I'm done saying it.Your speculations are just that speculations.I can(and have!)made them too.
BTW,if you want to keep up with this affected outrage why not PM me.Instead of crapping in someone elses thread? :-*
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So, the girl is a liar (because she says she does not know what happened to her) and I'm a liar as well (because my "outrage" is an "affectation")? Goodness, in between calling children whores you also have quite a business in mind reading.
I have no interest in PMing you. My only interest in speaking with you is pointing out how abhorrent your remarks are publicly.
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Hopefully she turns out to be an international teenage madam.
I bet she's spent the last seven or nine months(the article says both) circling the globe recruiting prostitutes from the Third World.I bet there are containers en route from India,Colombia,China,and Ethiopia AS WE SPEAK,full of innocent hookers who are about to decend on New Hamshire like a plague.I believe the cops are stayin quiet because they are complicit with the deal.
C'mon.It'd be a lot more interesting than a teenager that went to live with an aunt for nine months to have a kid out of wedlock.
>:D
too creative.
but what annoys me about the story is the people saying that there was just no way she could have left on her own and not been found. I call BS. There are any number of places a kid could disappear them self too and nobody's going to find them until they are willing to be found.
Especially since they indicate that daddy has money. Who knows how much she could have had stashed in cash and probably more then enough to get out of state long before people even started looking for her.
It's a fourteen year old girl. There are plenty of reasons for a fourteen year old to think it's a bright idea to cut out of town. Weight lose could be anything from growth spurts to depression/anxiety to eating disorder.
For such a long article, it really tells a whole lot of nothing, and the actual truth could be a lot of different things.
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And now she's spoken and they've made an arrest.No details yet.
Still nothing to indicate what's actually happened.
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That is factually incorrect. We have an idea of what happened (she was taken and hid for an extended period of time by an adult, she does not clearly remember it, she is suffering physically, a crime has been committed),
Actually, we don't really have much of an idea what happened. What we have is second- or third-hand reports of what she says happened. If she's making up a cover story, it's a lot easier to say "I don't remember, exactly" than it is to fabricate exquisite details and then try to remember them later.
Yes, she may have been abducted and raped. She also might have gone away for nine months to have a baby and give it up for adoption. We don't know.
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Actually, we don't really have much of an idea what happened. What we have is second- or third-hand reports of what she says happened. If she's making up a cover story, it's a lot easier to say "I don't remember, exactly" than it is to fabricate exquisite details and then try to remember them later.
Yes, she may have been abducted and raped. She also might have gone away for nine months to have a baby and give it up for adoption. We don't know.
It truly bothers me how many folks on here jump past the "the young girl is telling the truth and was abducted" and to right to the "obviously the young girl is just a lying little whore" theory.
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Yea. No one here has done that. Re-pack your outrage.
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Police in NH have arrested a suspect.
That probably means my theory of alien abduction is going to be ignored, regardless of the evidence.
Some of the verbiage the press is quoting the police as using to describe the circumstances of the event are both troubling and puzzeling. For instance: "Police allege Kibby knowingly confined Abigail "Abby" Hernandez, then 14, on Oct. 9, sometime after she left Conway High School for her home." And: "Attorney General Joseph Foster said when the girl disappeared she apparently had no way to get about or secure food, shelter or other necessities on her own."
We all know that the cops and prosecutors love to use both the passive voice and convoluted technical cop-talk instead of plain English, but these two are just so far beyond the usual that my spidey-sense has the hairs on the hairs on the back of my head standing at attention. (And yes, that is hyperbole, not a typo.)
All of which falls neatly into my theory of alien abduction and the .gov's massive attempts to shift the public's attention in any other direction.
stay safe.
PS - you can decide for yourself how much sarcasm is in the above. I'm never gonna tell.
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Has the left blamed Bush yet?
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It truly bothers me how many folks on here jump past the "the young girl is telling the truth and was abducted" and to right to the "obviously the young girl is just a lying little whore" theory.
oh, I just did it because I saw how much it got your panties bunched. :angel:
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It truly bothers me how many folks on here jump past the "the young girl is telling the truth and was abducted" and to right to the "obviously the young girl is just a lying little whore" theory.
You assume the two are mutually exclusive.
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Yea. No one here has done that. Re-pack your outrage.
Hopefully she turns out to be an international teenage madam.
I bet she's spent the last seven or nine months(the article says both) circling the globe recruiting prostitutes from the Third World.I bet there are containers en route from India,Colombia,China,and Ethiopia AS WE SPEAK,full of innocent hookers who are about to decend on New Hamshire like a plague.I believe the cops are stayin quiet because they are complicit with the deal.
C'mon.It'd be a lot more interesting than a teenager that went to live with an aunt for nine months to have a kid out of wedlock.
>:D
Let's see what the facts were at the time of this "joke".
The parents and the whole community said she was missing.
For nine months no one had been able to find her. They find her and say she is in poor health. The police are interviewing her and not saying much.
So, we jump from "the parents just shipped her off and hushed it up!" (despite the whole making false statements to the police that would be necessary for that) to jokes about her being an international prostitute.
Today, we have this:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/mom-teens-month-absence-pregnant-24737789
Oh, hey. The police are saying she was kidnapped and held hostage for 9 months. My guess is spent a significant time drugged, which would explain the confusion. Gee, I bet it was REALLY FUNNY all the things the kidnapper was doing to her:
In an interview earlier on NBC's "Today," Abby's mother, Zenya Hernandez, said that when her daughter returned home, she was thin and pale and had "a look in her eyes I've never, ever seen before. And that's something that's haunting me, and I think will haunt me for the rest of my life."
Speculation is one thing, but to start making light of a young girl's abduction and torture just because the police hadn't arrested anyone ONE DAY after she was found is ghoulish and OUGHT to be shamed.
That there is no longer any sympathy or shame in our culture is not the least bit surprising, though.
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It truly bothers me how many folks on here jump past the "the young girl is telling the truth and was abducted" and to right to the "obviously the young girl is just a lying little whore" theory.
The thread turned sour, pretty darn quick.
"shipped her off to a home/relative somewhere out of sight to have her out of wedlock bastard" -- really? I don't even remember that happening when I was a kid, and that was a long time ago.
Where I'm at on this: "I'm glad she's back, but it's no one I know and a long way away so my feelings are muted. We don't know anything and I'll suspend judgment until we do."
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Not mocking children who are kidnapped is the worst sort of repressed Puritanism, or something. If we can't even make jokes calling raped children whores what kind of Christian Taliban culture do we live in?
For all the sht APS likes to talk about arfcom, we're not exactly setting a high bar here.
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Not everyone can maintain a shocked and horrified demeanor all the time for every report like this around the country. Some people even have the nerve to deal with such things with a little humor despite how much that seems to horrify some of you.
I didn't post on this thread much at all, but stop with all the offended and outraged preaching already. To me, that is worse than ill-timed or inappropriate jokes.
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"shipped her off to a home/relative somewhere out of sight to have her out of wedlock bastard" -- really? I don't even remember that happening when I was a kid, and that was a long time ago.
A local Catholic church has a house on their property for exactly this purpose. A couple of the people in my bicycle club belong to this church, and the house usually has a couple of women in residence at any one time. The church provides living and emotional support and will help with adoption after delivery, should the women choose this route. I thought it was so great of them to provide this option.
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Not everyone can maintain a shocked and horrified demeanor all the time for every report like this around the country. Some people even have the nerve to deal with such things with a little humor despite how much that seems to horrify some of you.
I didn't post on this thread much at all, but stop with all the offended and outraged preaching already. To me, that is worse than ill-timed or inappropriate jokes.
Do you have any daughters? If one of them were kidnapped and held captive for 9 months, would it upset you if someone called her a whore? Hell, even if nothing at all happened would you be ok with someone calling your 14 y/o daughter a whore?
I guess asking people to not be horrific aholes is too much to expect. Stay classy APS. Nothing as polite as calling children who are victims of violence whores.
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"Here at APS, we have high standards of conduct. No calling a political figure by an insulting nickname!"
"What about calling a kidnapped little girl a whore?"
"Oh yeah, that's totally cool. Anyone who objects is just faking outrage."
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A local Catholic church has a house on their property for exactly this purpose. A couple of the people in my bicycle club belong to this church, and the house usually has a couple of women in residence at any one time. The church provides living and emotional support and will help with adoption after delivery, should the women choose this route. I thought it was so great of them to provide this option.
Good for them. My guess is this is a simple charity, not as (as it once might have been) a means to avoid scandal.
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Good for them. My guess is this is a simple charity, not as (as it once might have been) a means to avoid scandal.
Churches have done that discreetly for longer than I've been alive. I also thought good for them. I think of it as putting their money where their mouth is. I know 2 girls who were helped tremendously by homes like this.
I know folks will probably think I am just agreeing with Balog since I always side with him but he is very correct. I know in my case my own baggage can make me skeptical about certain types of events that involve women. In this case however to do so woulda lowered the bar too low even for me
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I didn't post on this thread much at all, but stop with all the offended and outraged preaching already. To me, that is worse than ill-timed or inappropriate jokes.
Thank you for illustrating my point. This is what is wrong with our country.
I am not offended. There was no slight against me in this. I am ashamed of the conduct of people on this board that I direct others to.
That you think an attempt to correct rude and boorish behavior is worse than the rude and boorish behavior is exactly what it wrong with our country. Correcting someone is seen as intolerant and prudish.
In fact, I think even those who were speculating about her being secreted away ought to feel ashamed of themselves now that the evidence is pointing towards kidnapping and (likely) drugging and rape. I'm not going to "preach" at them because that speculation was not taking perverse joy in joking about the kidnapping and rape of a little girl; it was not an egregious break of the bounds of "Polite Society."
I am under no illusions that any will feel shame though as that has been routinely stamped out of society. My guess is they will instead feel indignant that I would even suggest they ought to feel shame- much like you just did.
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It truly bothers me how many folks on here jump past the "the young girl is telling the truth and was abducted" and to right to the "obviously the young girl is just a lying little whore" theory.
It is not obvious that she is telling the truth (and we don't even know what she told the police), nor is it obvious that she's lying. ALL that is obvious is that she disappeared for about nine months, then reappeared wearing the same clothes she was wearing the day she disappeared.
I'm not "jumping past" anything, but I'm also not accepting an abduction theory without some corroboration.
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Do you have any daughters? If one of them were kidnapped and held captive for 9 months, would it upset you if someone called her a whore? Hell, even if nothing at all happened would you be ok with someone calling your 14 y/o daughter a whore?
Possibly you haven't noticed that nobody on this forum called her a whore.
If I'm wrong and someone called her a whore, please quote the post ...
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In fact, I think even those who were speculating about her being secreted away ought to feel ashamed of themselves now that the evidence is pointing towards kidnapping and (likely) drugging and rape. I'm not going to "preach" at them because that speculation was not taking perverse joy in joking about the kidnapping and rape of a little girl; it was not an egregious break of the bounds of "Polite Society."
What evidence? I haven't read any reports of any evidence. My position remains that I have no idea what happened to her, so I remain open to multiple possibilities.
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Possibly you haven't noticed that nobody on this forum called her a whore.
If I'm wrong and someone called her a whore, please quote the post ...
Here you go.
Hopefully she turns out to be an international teenage madam.
I bet she's spent the last seven or nine months(the article says both) circling the globe recruiting prostitutes from the Third World.I bet there are containers en route from India,Colombia,China,and Ethiopia AS WE SPEAK,full of innocent hookers who are about to decend on New Hamshire like a plague.I believe the cops are stayin quiet because they are complicit with the deal.
C'mon.It'd be a lot more interesting than a teenager that went to live with an aunt for nine months to have a kid out of wedlock.
>:D
"Here at APS, we have high standards of conduct. No calling a political figure by an insulting nickname!"
"What about calling a kidnapped little girl a whore?"
"Oh yeah, that's totally cool. Anyone who objects is just faking outrage."
Well, politicians are better than the rest of us and awfully sensitive. I only had to refer to Romney & Ryan as the "Mormo-Papist Wonder Twins(1)" in a humorous fashion whilst writing a post in support of their candidacy to get a several day ban.
(1) Which I most certainly am not doing at this moment. Refer to them as the "MPWT," that is. Because that would be wrong, wrong, wrong and I have learned the error of my ways and would not repeat that mistake. I would rather write humorous stories about missing teenaged girls engaging in prostitution and human trafficking. If I add aliens, I could nominate it for a Hugo SciFi award and likely win.
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I sometimes use dark, morbid humor... and even I thought the comments in this thread were pretty bad.
This is in round table, too..... search crawl availability?
Might be a good idea for a mod to nuke some posts. Just sayin.
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Argh. Start a new thread when there's reliable data.
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