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Article on the guilt of Communism vs. Nazism
« on: August 28, 2011, 04:04:00 PM »
A Dearth of Feeling
by Anne Applebaum

The article chides governments and culture for letting Communism off easy, when it should be anathematized as sharply as National Socialism. We've discussed that here before, so I thought some of you might be interested. She has also written a beefy history of the Soviet Gulags.
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Re: Article on the guilt of Communism vs. Nazism
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2011, 02:31:42 AM »
To some, the ends justify the means.
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Re: Article on the guilt of Communism vs. Nazism
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2011, 03:08:54 AM »
See, they just did it wrong.  Once you get the right people in charge......
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Re: Article on the guilt of Communism vs. Nazism
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2011, 10:20:29 AM »
In the case of places like the USSR and Korea some of the lack of understanding of what happened is due to how effectively the signal was stopped. It took Solzhenitsyn many years in hiding to finish the Gulag Archipelago and then most of a lifetime of exile. Most voices like his were never heard, just in an unmarked grave somewhere. In contrast, the whole world could not help but see the wake that the Nazis left. Everywhere destruction, many survivors free to tell their stories, the oppressors all dead, rounded up or fled to far corners. Stalin was way more efficient in suppressing the truth. Maybe Hitler didn't care and he actually believed his own hype that it would be just his cronies left standing to write the history.

Another factor that can apply is that the world just didn't want to see. Certainly a fact for places like Cambodia, sticking our collective heads in the sand was way easier than doing something. IN a world weary and desensitized to war we just let internal politics be internal politics, even if a million or so die. But yay for us, we weren't the world's policemen.  ;/ Same thing for Soviet Russia. How many readers did We The Living get? The world preferred not to know. And the same would have happened to the Nazis if they had been content to overrun Central Europe and just kill Jews. They'd probably still be there and we'd still be ignoring their atrocities and talking to them, as is borne out by the West's willingness to engage and appease Hitler throughout the 30's. The nazis just reached too far and by doing so exposed their mess to the world.
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Re: Article on the guilt of Communism vs. Nazism
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2011, 11:28:50 PM »
Very good read. Thanks for posting fistful.
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Re: Article on the guilt of Communism vs. Nazism
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2011, 11:35:10 PM »
You all may be interested to know that I read the above essay in an assigned text for a university course. The book is, The Future of the European Past, edited by Hilton Kramer and Roger Kimball. Having only read a couple of the essays so far, it seems to be a lot of conservative, Mark-Steyn-type, Death-of-the-West stuff. Mark Steyn contributed, in fact.

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Re: Article on the guilt of Communism vs. Nazism
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2011, 10:20:56 AM »
Ask the British and American "intelligentsia" why one -ism is so preferred to another -ism.  Karl Marx has been one of the patron saints of Western intellectuals since 1859.
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Re: Article on the guilt of Communism vs. Nazism
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2011, 01:20:01 PM »
Ask the British and American "intelligentsia" why one -ism is so preferred to another -ism.  Karl Marx has been one of the patron saints of Western intellectuals since 1859.

That's one of the article's points, yes.
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Re: Article on the guilt of Communism vs. Nazism
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2011, 02:22:12 AM »
You all may be interested to know that I read the above essay in an assigned text for a university course. The book is, The Future of the European Past, edited by Hilton Kramer and Roger Kimball. Having only read a couple of the essays so far, it seems to be a lot of conservative, Mark-Steyn-type, Death-of-the-West stuff. Mark Steyn contributed, in fact.



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Re: Article on the guilt of Communism vs. Nazism
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2011, 07:48:43 AM »
I don't remember the exact name, but it's something like Europe, 1950 to the Present.
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Re: Article on the guilt of Communism vs. Nazism
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2011, 04:16:29 PM »
Ask the British and American "intelligentsia" why one -ism is so preferred to another -ism.  Karl Marx has been one of the patron saints of Western intellectuals since 1859.

Hitler lost - had he beat Stalin, the more than a few people who thought he was a good chap would have told everyone they were right all along, and the gulags and Katyn would be as famous as Auschwitz is (and Auschwitz, Belsen and Treblinka would be as forgotten as the gulags are).  The only thing that would be different is that you would hope university students wouldnt be decorating their halls of residence with arty pictures of Sepp Dietrich or Rommel (as opposed to Che).
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