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Fly320s, any other pilots, I have a question
« on: November 06, 2007, 10:46:30 AM »
My brother is on this flight to Hawaii: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL73
The route is listed as:  BEBOP R464 BANDY R464 MAGGI MAGGI3

What does all that junk mean?

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Re: Flys320s, any other pilots, I have a question
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2007, 11:44:01 AM »
First, I'm not familiar with the Pacific routes.  But here's what I can tell you.

BEBOP is the first navigational intersection, a fix.  It is the name of a point in space defined by lat/long or by a radial from a VOR (land based navigation radio).

R464 is an airway.  Think highway in the sky.  Since it is over the ocean, it is probably defined by drawing a line through multiple lat/long points.  The plane will fly it using some combination of GPS, INS, or IRS.  INS and IRS is a type of position sensor used on planes.  It uses gyros to determine acceleration/deceleration in all axis.  If the plane knows where it is at the start, then it can use acceleration data to figure out where it is throughout the flight.

BANDY is another intersection.  Although I don't know why it is listed since it is on the R464 airway.

MAGGI is another intersection.  In this case it is probably the start of the arrival into Hawaii.

MAGGI3 is the name of the arrival procedure into the airport.  The arrival can be 200 to 300 miles long.  It may contain multiple fixes to define the route along with several "step down" altitudes to keep the traffic flowing into the terminal area.

So the clearance BEBOP R464 BANDY R464 MAGGI MAGGI3 tells the pilots to program the Flight Management System (FMS) in that order.  Leave the airport, SFO in this case, fly directly to BEBOP, join the R464 airway to BANDY, continue along R464 to MAGGI, and then fly the MAGGI3 arrival into Honolulu.

Piece of cake.


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Re: Flys320s, any other pilots, I have a question
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2007, 11:47:57 AM »
Useless trivia:

SFO is closer to Hawaii than LAX because of the way the southern California coast turns east.

The route on the link given shows a curved path, but it is probably closer to straight if drawn on a globe.  A straight line on a globe will appear to be curved when drawn on a map.
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Re: Flys320s, any other pilots, I have a question
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2007, 12:41:12 PM »
huh, thanks!

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Re: Fly320s, any other pilots, I have a question
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2007, 01:53:23 PM »
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So the clearance BEBOP R464 BANDY R464 MAGGI MAGGI3 tells the pilots to program the Flight Management System (FMS) in that order.  Leave the airport, SFO in this case, fly directly to BEBOP, join the R464 airway to BANDY, continue along R464 to MAGGI, and then fly the MAGGI3 arrival into Honolulu.

Heck, that's nuthin.  I JITTERBUGGED to I-27 using LOOP289, then flew down US87 and arrived at HOME where MYMOM (MARGIE) vectored me to FRESHBAKEDPIE.

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Re: Fly320s, any other pilots, I have a question
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2007, 04:43:46 PM »
Cleared direct bebop, then as filed.  Climb and maintain One five thousand.  Contact Salt Lake Center One-two-eight point five-five.
Its fuzzy but I'm pretty sure I remember where Bebop is (out near SFO).

Fly320's nailed the explanation.  An R route is a Jetroute over water  I think.
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Re: Fly320s, any other pilots, I have a question
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2007, 07:15:31 AM »
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Cleared direct bebop, then as filed.

Unable direct.  We're /A.  How 'bout a vector?  grin
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Re: Fly320s, any other pilots, I have a question
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2007, 07:25:30 AM »
Last time I flew United, I listened to the radio traffic on channel 9, on the seat radio.  We were flying through some turbulence.  I heard my pilot say "Can I slow down and descend? I'd like to keep the wings on this thing."

That's not something you want to hear when you hate flying like I do.


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Re: Fly320s, any other pilots, I have a question
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2007, 07:35:57 AM »
I was on a plane that did an emergency landing a few years back.

We took off out of Atlanta, and got maybe 100 feet over the runway, and something went wrong.   Nothing sounded right, and we stopped climbing.   I looked at Mrs. Ex, who was then "just" my Girlfriend, and said "Something's wrong".  We banked SHARPLY.  The head Steward came into the aisle on a bull horn.  He told us that all of the plane's computers had shut down, and that we were landing.  now.   Dasmi, THAT'S something you don't want to hear or see!!!

The guy next to me looked at me.  He was white as a ghost.  He said he hated flying with a passion and asked me what to do.

I told him to pray.


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Re: Fly320s, any other pilots, I have a question
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2007, 08:22:57 AM »
I had to fly on a puddle jumper one time down in Florida.  Tampa to Jacksonville.  I was seated at the very back of the aircraft, and we hit some pretty nasty turbulence.  Since I'm seated at the very rear, I'm looking down the length of the aircraft, and I can see the darn thing TORQUING....  It looked REALLY bad, but I'm sure it wasn't more than about 2 or 3 degrees...  But dang if it didn't look SCARY AS HELL!  I noticed a definite lean to the right on my seat, and I'm watching the front of the cabin twist to the left.  And then the other way.  For a good 20 mins or so...  After we got off, I was talking to a guy that was seated near one of the wings, and he wasn't sure if it was a plane or a bird, the way the wings were flapping in the turbulence.

And let me tell you, landing in a little turboprop puddle jumper in the middle of a rainstorm at night is NOT what I would describe as "fun".
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Re: Fly320s, any other pilots, I have a question
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2007, 08:29:42 AM »
Just be glad it was bending.  What doesn't bend usually breaks.

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Re: Fly320s, any other pilots, I have a question
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2007, 08:31:01 AM »
Speaking of bending...
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Re: Fly320s, any other pilots, I have a question
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2007, 10:07:50 AM »
Two words ATC hates to hear: Due Regards.

IFF gets turned to Standby Mode, squawk off, as we descend to operational altitude.

Center controllers get all sorts of nervous when we drop off their radar. 

We check back in with them once we're done doing our thing.  grin
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Re: Fly320s, any other pilots, I have a question
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2007, 10:23:21 AM »
Two words ATC hates to hear: Due Regards.

IFF gets turned to Standby Mode, squawk off, as we descend to operational altitude.

Center controllers get all sorts of nervous when we drop off their radar. 

We check back in with them once we're done doing our thing.  grin

Hah!  I once helped Dad out.  Well, hey... he was having trouble hearing the other radio so there wasn't any reason for this one to be on.  I remember the funnly look on Dad's face when Amarillo approach called "9252 Juliet, are you having any difficulty?"  Dad had a little chat with me about that one.

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Re: Fly320s, any other pilots, I have a question
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2007, 10:28:03 AM »
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Cleared direct bebop, then as filed.

Unable direct.  We're /A.  How 'bout a vector?  grin

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Last time I flew United, I listened to the radio traffic on channel 9, on the seat radio.  We were flying through some turbulence.  I heard my pilot say "Can I slow down and descend? I'd like to keep the wings on this thing."
That's not something you want to hear when you hate flying like I do.

Pilots are over-dramatic. 
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"You won't hit it....trust me!"
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Re: Fly320s, any other pilots, I have a question
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2007, 10:34:15 AM »
Sounds like a story my instructor told me.  A controller told him to descend to 2000 feet and maintain altitude.  Only problem was the ground was located at about 2100.

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Re: Fly320s, any other pilots, I have a question
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2007, 11:06:40 AM »
Sounds like a story my instructor told me.  A controller told him to descend to 2000 feet and maintain altitude.  Only problem was the ground was located at about 2100.

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Re: Fly320s, any other pilots, I have a question
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2007, 11:17:37 AM »
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Radar service terminated, squawk one-two-zero-zero....adios!

Say again... I was on the land-line.

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"Cessna XYZ, turn right heading two-four-zero"

My right or your right?
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Re: Fly320s, any other pilots, I have a question
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2007, 11:23:41 AM »
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Radar service terminated, squawk one-two-zero-zero....adios!

Say again... I was on the land-line.

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"Cessna XYZ, turn right heading two-four-zero"

My right or your right?

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