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Re: Trans-substantiation
« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2015, 01:52:14 AM »
Greater minds have already covered this about 50 years ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvhYqeGp_Do



Oh, and thank you.  For years I've always wondered what Trans-substantiation meant, and now I know.  I don't care, but I know.
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Re: Trans-substantiation
« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2015, 09:12:33 AM »
Good old Tom Lehrer.  He and Scott Joplin and Il Papa make a good group.

I've often felt pity for all those souls who were put in Purgatory before Il Papa rescinded that little puppyma.

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ETA: Forgive me in advance, though --it's been a while. Was that a mortal or a venial sin, or even a sin at all?  Or just "recommended procedure?"
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Re: Trans-substantiation
« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2015, 10:05:20 AM »
Quote from: De Selby on June 13, 2015, 01:07:21 AM
The necessary elements of buying the trinity require no more mental stretching than believing that a ceremony makes wine and bread into divine flesh and blood.  Divine fleshy things are an inherent part of the religion.

I don't know much about that whole debate, but I would think it's more a question of whether it happens than whether it's possible. When I read the relevant passages, I read it as metaphor. Others obviously differ. I think this may be another instance where the Bible is purposefully ambiguous. Perhaps, for the first-century mind, accustomed to physical, blood sacrifice, it was comforting to have the physical connection to Christ's physical, sacrificed body. Perhaps some find it comforting, still.
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Re: Trans-substantiation
« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2015, 05:13:43 PM »
An article of faith requires no resolution with science or philosophy or anything.  Either you believe or you don't.  If you don't you are not a member of the tribe.

Much like the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.  If you believe they exist they do; if you don't they don't.  Ask any 4 year old and then any 10 year old.

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Re: Trans-substantiation
« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2015, 02:17:00 AM »
Quote from: vaskidmark on June 13, 2015, 05:13:43 PM
An article of faith requires no resolution with science or philosophy or anything. 

It does, if you're interested in true things. If you just want to have faith in magical rainbow unicorns, that's different.
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Re: Re: Trans-substantiation
« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2015, 04:21:34 AM »
Quote from: Hawkmoon on June 12, 2015, 09:10:25 PM
No, no ... that's accepted practice, but you're not supposed to tell anyone.
No the Dirtbags scam is you can tell somebody but in this context to confession so then they are sworn to secrecy and can't reveal what you tell them
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It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: Trans-substantiation
« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2015, 10:58:56 AM »
Quote from: fistful on June 14, 2015, 02:17:00 AM
It does, if you're interested in true things. If you just want to have faith in magical rainbow unicorns, that's different.

Without belief in magical rainbow unicorns, or the Trinity, or Buddha, or the spirits of the forest or the Great Spaghetti Monster (and apologies to all the others I did not list) there is no religion.  Even your "worship" of true things is based on an article of faith - or perhaps you would like to explain what there was before there was The Big Bang?

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Re: Trans-substantiation
« Reply #32 on: June 14, 2015, 11:12:54 AM »
Quote from: fistful on June 14, 2015, 02:17:00 AM
It does, if you're interested in true things. If you just want to have faith in magical rainbow unicorns, that's different.

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Re: Trans-substantiation
« Reply #33 on: June 14, 2015, 11:25:03 AM »
Quote from: vaskidmark on June 14, 2015, 10:58:56 AM
Without belief in magical rainbow unicorns, or the Trinity, or Buddha, or the spirits of the forest or the Great Spaghetti Monster (and apologies to all the others I did not list) there is no religion.  Even your "worship" of true things is based on an article of faith - or perhaps you would like to explain what there was before there was The Big Bang?

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I'm not sure what you're getting at. I'm just saying that your dicta about faith may be true for those uninterested in truth. For those who want truth, an unsubstantiated faith in Whatever will not satisfy. Some want to have faith in those things for which we also have very compelling evidence. Could be Christ's resurrection for some; Man's descent from the lower orders, for those of that persuasion.

Which brings us to the point of this thread. It took only a few election cycles for the Left to go from their slogan of "fact-based politics" to their firm belief in the transgender phenomenon. They boisterously rejected faith-based "magical thinking" politics, only to fall for a politics in which men are women, etc. Schadenfreudelicious, no?
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Re: Trans-substantiation
« Reply #34 on: June 15, 2015, 09:07:59 AM »
Quote from: vaskidmark on June 14, 2015, 10:58:56 AM
Without belief in magical rainbow unicorns, or the Trinity, or Buddha, or the spirits of the forest or the Great Spaghetti Monster (and apologies to all the others I did not list) there is no religion.  Even your "worship" of true things is based on an article of faith - or perhaps you would like to explain what there was before there was The Big Bang?

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Even having a casual knowledge of philosophy would inform a person that everyone is acting on faith based on presuppositions, even materialistic atheists.

We don't really know most of what we claim to know.

Choose wisely what you decide to have faith in.
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Re: Trans-substantiation
« Reply #35 on: June 15, 2015, 08:40:51 PM »
Quote from: fistful on June 14, 2015, 11:25:03 AM
I'm just saying that your dicta about faith may be true for those uninterested in truth. For those who want truth, an unsubstantiated faith in Whatever will not satisfy.

For some, "truth" is whatever they choose to have faith in.
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Re: Trans-substantiation
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