Any new news on this? Waco biker shootings.

[cordex]

Someone on another forum suggested that those may have been TAP LE bullets which sometimes have their date and lot number on the bullet itself.  If so, that would make it seem more likely that they came from the cops, yet presumably experienced Medical Examiners identified the bullets as "medium caliber" despite the chief's claim that his guys were using .223 rifles.

Weird.

[Tallpine]

Someone on another forum suggested that those may have been TAP LE bullets which sometimes have their date and lot number on the bullet itself.  If so, that would make it seem more likely that they came from the cops, yet presumably experienced Medical Examiners identified the bullets as "medium caliber" despite the chief's claim that his guys were using .223 rifles.

Weird.

On TV, the ME can tell the difference between 9mm, .38, and .357 just by glancing at the wound 

[wmenorr67]

On TV, the ME can tell the difference between 9mm, .38, and .357 just by glancing at the wound 

Don't forget the serial number of the weapon.

[Firethorn]

http://kdhnews.com/news/texas/attorneys-waco-shooting-detainees-could-be-legal-liability/article_0bed7304-08e1-11e5-894e-a7ed4c5d990b.html?mode=jqm

-Thanks daddy, sorry for late reply.

Umm...  Wow.  I can understand arresting 'everybody' immediately after the incident, but yeah, just hanging onto 'everybody' is a disaster in the making for them.

For example: "According to a Facebook post from Looney and Conrad P.C. in Hempstead, “Earlier today, detainees in the Jack Harwell Detention Center in Waco were told that in exchange for bond reductions, they must sign a document stating the Waco police ‘had the right to arrest the inmate and that he/she will not file a lawsuit against McLennan County and/or the city of Waco."

I would sign and then promptly use the signed document as legal evidence in the lawsuit. 

Another thought - Texas has a statute dictating payment for false imprisonment.  Does this apply to when you're tossed into jail, given an unreasonable bond, and eventually all charges dropped?  At the least it gives a very reasonable figure for any lawsuit.  At $50k/year for being in prison when actually innocent, that works out to $137/day for being falsely jailed.  Times a couple hundred people, that adds up quick when you figure it also probably costs them about $60/day just to keep them in jail.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

The no sue agreement story has been debunked. In this thread if i recall correctly. The law firm making the claim retracted it


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[dogmush]

Someone on another forum suggested that those may have been TAP LE bullets which sometimes have their date and lot number on the bullet itself.  If so, that would make it seem more likely that they came from the cops, yet presumably experienced Medical Examiners identified the bullets as "medium caliber" despite the chief's claim that his guys were using .223 rifles.
Weird.

 
Is 5.56 no longer an "intermediate rifle cartridge"?

While it's caliber is nominally .22, a 60-75gr 5.56 slug is pretty obviously not a .22 bullet.  If I picked up a 75gr TAP projectile off the ground I would call it a "medium" size.  Bigger then rimfire, smaller then the .30's and .338's.

[cordex]

Is 5.56 no longer an "intermediate rifle cartridge"?

While it's caliber is nominally .22, a 60-75gr 5.56 slug is pretty obviously not a .22 bullet.  If I picked up a 75gr TAP projectile off the ground I would call it a "medium" size.  Bigger then rimfire, smaller then the .30's and .338's.

Who knows?  Maybe that explains it.  The way I was looking at it, if I were identifying a recovered bullet without first-hand knowledge of the cartridge it was fired from, and if I were describing its caliber measurement specifically, it would be done so relating to diameter of the bullet without regard to power, effectiveness or cartridge characteristics.  Maybe I'm giving them too much credit, though.

[KD5NRH]

If I picked up a 75gr TAP projectile off the ground I would call it a "medium" size.  Bigger then rimfire,

Must be a really big bullet for a poodle shooter if it's bigger than rimfires.

[Scout26]

I didn't think any LE agencies still used .45 Rimfire as their rifle round.

Anywho,  These recovered rounds were probably mushroomed and/or deformed in someway, therefore the ME doesn't have those nice clean perfect projo's like they have on the TV shows.   So if you don't know any better a 5.56 round may look "Medium" to the untrained eye.

[Boomhauer]

Someone on another forum suggested that those may have been TAP LE bullets which sometimes have their date and lot number on the bullet itself.  If so, that would make it seem more likely that they came from the cops, yet presumably experienced Medical Examiners identified the bullets as "medium caliber" despite the chief's claim that his guys were using .223 rifles.

Weird.

Interesting. I thought the ME was on crack when the report was talking about date codes on the bullets

[HankB]

On TV, the ME can tell the difference between 9mm, .38, and .357 just by glancing at the wound 

And run DNA matches in a matter of minutes - it's all computerized, you know.

[Viking]

[KD5NRH]

I didn't think any LE agencies still used .45 Rimfire as their rifle round.

And therein lies the problem with LE these days; trading in proven tools for the latest toys.  Remember they used to settle most gunfights in three shots total when they carried revolvers.

Anywho,  These recovered rounds were probably mushroomed and/or deformed in someway, therefore the ME doesn't have those nice clean perfect projo's like they have on the TV shows.   So if you don't know any better a 5.56 round may look "Medium" to the untrained eye.

I've recovered a lot of rifle and pistol rounds from all sorts of stuff, ranging from dirt, cream cheese and bunnies to pigs, coyotes and cattle.  Unless the bullet completely fragmented beyond recognition, the base would pretty clearly narrow it down the caliber to at least within a tenth of an inch.

[cordex]

Anywho,  These recovered rounds were probably mushroomed and/or deformed in someway, therefore the ME doesn't have those nice clean perfect projo's like they have on the TV shows.   So if you don't know any better a 5.56 round may look "Medium" to the untrained eye.

Could be and they did mention deformation, but:
1. There isn't much to a .223 projectile to start out with
2. Typically the base gives some indication of diameter
3. They were able to read letters and numbers from the bullets, so they couldn't have been totally messed up.