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[230RN]

Sorry, I'm not quite sure I understand all the vengy swift and terible justice meted out above.

Twice I had campers squatting on my wooded west 10 acres up in Boulder and I told them it was private property, they could stay the night, but be careful with fires, don't mess with the horses,  and clear out tomorrow, OK?

No problem, and thank you, and gone the next day by noon.

This was about forty years ago.   I guess they thought it was a park --even though  there was a casual unofficial rusty No Trespassing sign posted by  the road by the last owner which could have been missed.

Funny thing was, I had set up a private 100yd rifle range out there and one time I was doing some shooting and didn't realize they were camping in the wooded area.  So with me banging away two of their party hotfooted over to me to advise me all self-righteously that there was no shooting in this area!

I had to laugh over that one, but advised them the same thing.  (The ground was zoned Ag-Transitional, all perfectly legal.)

Apologies and promises to leave and thank yous ensued.

That pretty little parcel nowadays is part of an official hiking trail.

Terry

[Fly320s]

Sorry, I'm not quite sure I understand all the vengy swift and terible justice meted out above.

People camping on your property without permission is a bit different than people installing semi-permanent deer stands on your property without permission.

[BobR]

People camping on your property without permission is a bit different than people installing semi-permanent deer stands on your property without permission.

I don't see it that way, both are the same amount of wrong IMO. My land, my rules, you ask or you get escorted off. If you have installed any semi-permanent structures, they become mine.

bob

[Fly320s]

I don't see it that way, both are the same amount of wrong IMO. My land, my rules, you ask or you get escorted off. If you have installed any semi-permanent structures, they become mine.

bob

I edited my post to respond to that one sentence.

[vaskidmark]

It's bad enough when someone walks in and uses your land for a private campground (so long as they do not burn the place down, create run-off/drainage problems/annoy wilslife or livestock) are merely depriving you of income that is rightfully yours to ether accept or waive.

Making changes to your land deprives you of your ability to decide how to use your land - what trees/brush to cut, what wildlife to "cultivate", what direction you want game to travel.

Relatively minor impositions versus major intrusions.

Both of which, if the landowner has properly marked the property, represent criminal behavior.  If the property is not (properly) marked then the landowner bears some responsibility for the simple trespass, but not for the alteration/damage to his land.

stay safe.

[geronimotwo]

^^^ don't forget "harvesting the kings livestock".   

[MechAg94]

Also, at least in most parts of Texas I am familiar with, people often have cattle on their land and it is fenced in.  A poacher would have to jump a fence to get to the area, plus poaching claims a decent fine.  The fact that they are likely trespassing armed is another indicator.  I don't want to get shot by some poaching idiot who sees the brush move and decides to just fire at the movement, nor would anyone want their cattle shot.  

If my land was next to a park and not fenced, I would likely be less angry about it, but I would definitely look at posting signs and even putting up a fence if allowed.  


Don't some states still have squatter's rights laws that give people certain rights if they are on your land and you don't immediately take action to remove them?

[230RN]

I think you mean adverse possession.  Here in CO I think it's for five years and you have to be paying the taxes or something.  It's not an easy thing to have happen, like for a day or two.

I saw a travelscope about England or Wales or someplace where once a year a bunch of people get together to traverse all the long-established paths through all the pastures and farms, to maintain their rights of passage through these rights-of-way.  

Oh, hey, I found a reference:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Squatters+rights

[French G.]

Ahh poachers. Their trucks never seem to run right. Hey kid!(me) go pull the spike strip up, UPS guy is coming.

[Boomhauer]

Sorry, I'm not quite sure I understand all the vengy swift and terible justice meted out above.

I'm gathering you have never dealt with a modern trespasser.

I have yet to encounter one that is not arrogant. They will tell you that they have a "right" to be on your land, that you "can't keep them out", argue with you about "what harm does it cause?" and tell various lies about how they were told it's "OK to hunt/camp/ride horses and ATVs" here. They will cut fences, make trails, shoot your dogs, etc. too. The people who will outright violate your property also tear it up.

Dealing with these f *expletive deleted*faces really brings out the desire to crank the backhoe up instead of bothering with the proper/legal channels of dealing with trespassers. It would be a whole lot easier, quicker, and dead trespassers can't come back and trespass some more or vandalize/destroy your property.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

I'm gathering you have never dealt with a modern trespasser.

I have yet to encounter one that is not arrogant. They will tell you that they have a "right" to be on your land, that you "can't keep them out", argue with you about "what harm does it cause?" and tell various lies about how they were told it's "OK to hunt/camp/ride horses and ATVs" here. They will cut fences, make trails, shoot your dogs, etc. too. The people who will outright violate your property also tear it up.

Dealing with these f *expletive deleted*faces really brings out the desire to crank the backhoe up instead of bothering with the proper/legal channels of dealing with trespassers. It would be a whole lot easier, quicker, and dead trespassers can't come back and trespass some more or vandalize/destroy your property.

Yes


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[Scout26]

My cousin hunts on his FIL's farm.  There some woods, not much maybe 30-40 acres.  A few years back, a group of Pennsylvanian's stopped by a day or two before deer season opened and asked the FIL if they could hunt his land.  "No, my SIL does and he's the only one I allow."

Come deer season and I get an opening day, shortly before legal shooting hours, text from my cousin.  "What's the bag limit on Pennsylvanian's this year?"

Seems that they had decided to hunt the property anyway and came barging into the wood lot as my cousin was in his stand waiting for first light.


And to the OP:



If the young man is out hunting he should have taken a Hunter Safety class.  Things like asking permission and not trespassing are pretty extensively covered.

Depending on his attitude, this could be a teachable moment or a Law Enforcement Moment.

[Tallpine]

If the young man is out hunting he should have taken a Hunter Safety class.  Things like asking permission and not trespassing are pretty extensively covered.

You would think so, huh?   

Last year I called the sheriff on a hunter safety teacher (I didn't know that at the time) for road hunting and poaching.

Turns out he did have permission for the land where the deer was, but not for the land that he shot from.  He had to retroactively get permission from that out of state owner to save his butt.

Then he wanted to shoot from my corner (I have a couple acres on the crick side of the road) and I told him NO.

[Gewehr98]

Let's keep the veiled references to homicide off the radar here, ok?

[Scout26]

Sorry, I should have put this smilie  in after his text message.  He politely ran them off when they came through the woods that morning (although they did come back the next day in late morning, thinking/hoping he had got one or wasn't out there.  That time he told them if sees them out there again, the sheriff/CPO will be called.)

And as to this:

Depending on his attitude, this could be a teachable moment or a Law Enforcement Moment.

Kingcreek stated that he knows the ute's father, so perhaps the ute is simply confused.  However, should he be unwilling to learn, then having the CPO* there would make it a law enforcement moment (Poaching/trespassing)


*Illinois does not have "Game Wardens", we have Conservation Police Officers.  They go through the same Academy as the State Police then a few extra weeks of Conservation/Wildlife Code training.  They also have the same powers of arrest as the State Police and can enter any land (yes, even private property) to enforce the Wildlife Code.  However, if while checking your Hunting License and Tags while you up in your tree stand on your property, they notice your grow operation, they can and will arrest you right there and then. 

[lupinus]

Let's keep the veiled references to homicide off the radar here, ok?

Party pooper

[charby]

Party pooper

So is a life sentence in prison worth killing a trespasser?

[lupinus]

So is a life sentence in prison worth killing a trespasser?

well thats kind of general...

[RoadKingLarry]

So is a life sentence in prison worth killing a trespasser?

Armed intruder, maybe aggressive when confronted, maybe afraid of getting cited/arrested? Might be enough to engender fear of death or bodily harm depending on their reaction to getting confonted.
Me, I'll be damned if I let a trespasser tell me how I can use my own property.

[charby]

well thats kind of general...

Okay, is life in prison worth killing a trespasser who is camping or hunting deer on your land?

[lupinus]

Okay, is life in prison worth killing a trespasser who is camping or hunting deer on your land?

how far in the woods are they and how badly is their leg broken?

[RoadKingLarry]

how far in the woods are they and how badly is their leg broken?

Old school horse medicine?

[BryanP]

I just want to chime in with a Well Played, Sir for the OP.  No over the top revenge fantasies, just making sure he gets a lesson.  A measured response.  In this case, a fluid measurement. 

[220_SWIFT]

They also have the same powers of arrest as the State Police and can enter any land (yes, even private property) to enforce the Wildlife Code.

Actually, they have the most power of an law enforcement in the  state.  After two years of service, the CPO are federal level officers.  When I was in college, the instructor for my criminal justice class was the Master Sergeant for District 1.  He was a great instructor, and always had good stories to tell.  It also amazed me how much the CPO despise the State Police.  A direct quote from him was "They are useless, I could train a monkey to run radar on the interstate". LOL

[Kingcreek]

An overdue update:
The conservation police are stretched pretty thin and I decided not to trouble them with my piddly issue. And I don't want to rile things up with the young man's family, who I believe are decent folk but not hunters as far as I know. I went out early last Saturday with my bow and sat in his stand in my timber thinking maybe he would show up and I could chew on his ear some and send him packing.
He didn't show up but a nice big doe did. I shot her and packed his stand out with the deer. His stand and stick ladder are in my barn. If he comes around asking about it, we will have a talk. Or I will talk and he can listen. If not, then I guess I got me another tree stand.
I also tacked a no trespassing sign to the tree the stand was in so either way he gets the message.
I wonder if he's used up all that scent spray stuff yet?