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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Manedwolf on January 05, 2009, 03:01:34 PM
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California Democrat, of course. Environmental causes, all of that. And...in an old interview.
MR. PANETTA: It's not a problem because the record is there. I mean, the American debate reaxpeople know the facts. They--you can listen to both candidates talk, and, uh, obviously they have their own way of speaking to the American people. But the record is clear, and the President speaks to that record. When you--when we came into office, we were facing $300 billion deficits. We have cut the deficit by 60 percent. That's fact. When we talk about jobs, when we came in the economy was coming out of a recession, jobs, few jobs had been produced in our economy. We've got 10 ½ million jobs. When you look at crime in the streets and the ability of the President to put 100,000 cops out there and get that passed, to the assault weapons ban, the Brady Bill, uh, these are all accomplishments--
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/election/october96/debate_reax_10-7.html (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/election/october96/debate_reax_10-7.html)
MR. PANETTA: This, this whole campaign and this whole election is really about how do you affect the lives of people in this country. I think if there was a frustration for people in the Republican convention, it's that a lot of it was obviously to try to develop the definition of who Bob Dole was and what the party was, as opposed to what are the steps we're going to take in terms of moving to the future. What we wanted to do was to try to focus on the issues, and people were quoted as saying, you know, we didn't get enough about what are they going to really do about my life and about how it's going to affect my kids and my future.
What we wanted to do, on the contrary, was to show that this is about real people, it is about issues like what do you do about disability, what kind of research do we provide for the kind of problems that Christopher Reeve had, what kind of--what do we do about the gun laws in this country, and that's what Sarah and Jim Brady addressed, what do we about education, what do you about health care , what do we do about jobs, I mean, those are the fundamental issues that people really care about, and having a Christopher Reeve speak to that, what happens is the American people really tune in to that.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/election/august96/panetta_8-27.html (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/election/august96/panetta_8-27.html)
F___. =(
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So, Obama is not only recreating the Clinton era, but he's distilling it into its worst constituent parts. Lovely.
I wonder if Reno will be nominated for any open SCOTUS positions.
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Mane, you of all people, what did you expect from The One?
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I'm worried about this more for what it will do to our foreign intelligence infrastructure. I may be wrong, but I don't think the CIA Director has much pull re: domestic gun laws?
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I'm worried about this more for what it will do to our foreign intelligence infrastructure. I may be wrong, but I don't think the CIA Director has much pull re: domestic gun laws?
Unless he decides to focus the CIA more on helping the BATFE at home, ignoring foreign threats.
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Panetta's only background with intelligence is his lack thereof.......
He has ZERO background in intel.....
I have ZERO hope that this bozo could figure out how to work a stapler, much less prevent a terrorist attack in the US.
Time to go reload more ammo, we're gonna need it......
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Panetta's only background with intelligence is his lack thereof.......
He has ZERO background in intel.....
I have ZERO hope that this bozo could figure out how to work a stapler, much less prevent a terrorist attack in the US.
Time to go reload more ammo, we're gonna need it......
I do not want the war coming here. But if they screw up, that's precisely what will happen. =(
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The people who will suffer first and most from decisions like this will be those who live in the D.C. orbit. Panetta is a career ultra-liberal with no background in the field. I wouldn't want my security depending on him.
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Ideology aside, Panetta is a political hack. Just what we need guiding our intelligence community in the current international climate. (Visualizing Panetta next to graphic) "You can see that due to a reduction in operational activity, our operational failure rate has decreased, once again demonstrating the effectiveness of this administration's intelligence policy."
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"You can see that due to a reduction in operational activity, our operational failure rate has decreased . . ."
"Since we fired all our spies, we have no spy screw-ups."
"We also realize that with no doctors, there will be no medical malpractice . . . "
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[sincerity] Well, yeah, but some representatives of the Democratic (sic) party have tossed wishy-washy statements of support for the Second Amendment into campaign speeches. [/sincerity]
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The only choice worse than Panetta would be Norman Pinetta..... :rolleyes:
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I shake my head in amazement at how O'Bama's administration is taking on the form of Jimmuh Carter's administration. Seems to me Carter's boy was Stansfield Turner who likewise had little intel experience. Stansfield promptly fired something like 300 (or was it 600) spooks in favor of more spending on satellites. He and his handler, Jimmuh, was promptly faced with the Iranian Hostage Grab. Faced with doing something, anything, Jimmuh brought us the Desert Fiasco and the rest is history. We are still paying the price for Carter's idiocy.
I just can not wait to see what the latest team will deliver.
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Assuming the R's have half a brain and stop eating their children over stoopid stuff, The Irish One's appointments almost guarantee handing them back the legislature in 2 years.
Never mind, ain't gonna happen. Lost my head for a minute.
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We are still paying the price for Carter's idiocy.
Islamic terrorist savagry wouldn't be a world force today if not for that sub-contemptible Carter. If he had acted like an American instead of a spineless Englishman, the World Trade Center would still be standing today.
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"Islamic terrorist savagry wouldn't be a world force today if not for that sub-contemptible Carter. If he had acted like an American instead of a spineless Englishman, ignorant, whining, leftist, self hating, sycophantic, communist, wussie, sociopath the World Trade Center would still be standing today."
There. I fixed it for you. =D
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Please elaborate on how Jimmy Carter contributed to 911?
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Please elaborate on how Jimmy Carter contributed to 911?
His ineptitude in dealing with Middle Eastern terrorists is what allowed them to grow from regional annoyance to globe-spanning threat, and his appeasement is what emboldened them to do so. We looked weak, for the first time, and they saw it. :P
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Please elaborate on how Jimmy Carter contributed to 911?
His response to the taking of the American embassy in Tehran taught the mullahs that they could stand against America and win. The Iranian President certainly knows that lesson, having been one of the hostage takers.
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Feinstein is pissy about this.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who this week begins her tenure as the first female head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said she was not consulted on the choice and indicated she might oppose it.
"I was not informed about the selection of Leon Panetta to be the CIA director," Feinstein said. "My position has consistently been that I believe the agency is best served by having an intelligence professional in charge at this time."
A senior aide to Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), the outgoing chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said the senator "would have concerns" about a Panetta nomination.
Rockefeller "thinks very highly of Panetta," the aide said. "But he's puzzled by the selection. He has concerns because he has always believed that the director of CIA needs to be someone with significant operational intelligence experience and someone outside the political realm."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-cia-panetta6-2009jan06,0,5514283.story (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-cia-panetta6-2009jan06,0,5514283.story)
AWESOME! If they fight amongst themselves, they won't get around to screwing up America and will merely be ineffectual. :lol:
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AWESOME! If they fight amongst themselves, they won't get around to screwing up America and will merely be ineffectual. :lol:
Which was, I believe, the idea the founders had in the first place. Keep the different parts of government fighting amongst each other.
Too bad President Bush tried to "get along."
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Please elaborate on how Jimmy Carter contributed to 911?
Carter's inept handling of Tehran has already been mentioned, but recall that his policies helped finance the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, which set up the current troubles there, including the rise of the Taliban. And of course, don't forget his family was involved in lobbying on the behalf of a terrorist state, Muamma Khadaffi's Libya.
We probably don't know the full story, but a number of directors of the Carter Center up and quit over Jimmy's blatant anti-semitism in a recent book in which he compared Israel to the apartheid government of South Africa.
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Panetta?
What, Soros was too busy?
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What, Soros was too busy?
He didn't want to take a pay cut....
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I'm longing for the day the vicious, back-stabbing cutthroats in Congress turn on The One to try to insulate themselves from the mess they've made of the country. Let the disillusioning begin!
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Let the disillusioning begin!
You'll wait until January 22 like the rest of us, young man. =D
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I though he got sworn in on 20 Jan.....I'm not going to wait two whole days to be disappointed......
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I'm not going to wait two whole days to be disappointed
We can only hope. =D
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I though he got sworn in on 20 Jan
I blocked out a solid 24 hours for the Media Lovefest.
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I blocked out a solid 24 hours for the Media Lovefest.
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So the recession will offically declared over on 21 Jan.....
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So the recession will offically declared over on 21 Jan.....
You may be kidding, but you are closing to be correct than you realize.
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I hear he is changing his name to Barack Klaatu Obama...
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Unless he decides to focus the CIA more on helping the BATFE at home, ignoring foreign threats.
Whoa.
It doesn't work that way - not at all.
They can certainly share technology, which happens amongst all branches of government, including my reconnaissance unit getting meteorological modeling software free from NOAA just for the asking.
You're suggesting that the CIA assist the BATFE in enforcement of the latter's jurisdiction by virtue of the former's surveillance and intelligence capabilities.
That's a big no-no, and an egregious violation of many laws, including the Intelligence Oversight rules enacted by Executive Order under President Ford. Suffice it to say, The Agency is not given carte blanche license to spy on American citizens, and is in fact answerable to both the Attorney General and the President with respect to those laws.
The CIA does what their charter tells them they can or cannot do, as does the BATFE and any other alphabet-soup federal agency. Those charters are clearly defined, and overlap of the sort you're suggesting does not happen, although it would probably make for some good paperback fiction.
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Back in the early 1993 when Mir Aimal Kasi killed two CIA employees and wounded three others the CIA couldn't even participate actively in the investigation.
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That's a big no-no, and an egregious violation of many laws.....
Like that's stopped the Federal government before..... ;/
I wouldn't be surprised if more of our intelligence assets get focused on domestic territory than remain on foreign targets.....remember that phone-tap program thing during the Clinton admin? (Echelon, IIRC...)
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Like that's stopped the Federal government before..... ;/
I wouldn't be surprised if more of our intelligence assets get focused on domestic territory than remain on foreign targets.....remember that phone-tap program thing during the Clinton admin? (Echelon, IIRC...)
Echelon never happened. It would have violated the charters of various agencies to do it, thus it couldn't have happened.
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That's a big no-no, and an egregious violation of many laws...
CIA hasn't had a good track record the last 8 years complying with the law, what with the 1001 leaks of classified data by CIA folk trying to undermine an elected POTUS.
Somehow, I think folk who don't bat an eye at releasing classified data for mere political reasons are going to let law & morality stop them in other spheres.
If there is nothing for the CIA to gain from such interaction, I doubt it will happen, though.
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I speak from my own experiences. Every now and again, some alphabet soup agencies with ill-informed employees would call us and asking us if we can assist them with our capabilities. They got an earful from me.
It was one thing if a BATF crime lab would show us how they do thin-layer chromotography, or the State Department needed some info on a nuclear treaty and potentia ways to circumvent it.
However, we didn't get yearly refresher training explaining the ramifications of the Intelligence Oversight Program for nothing.
The DCI knows EXACTLY what can and cannot be shared with other agencies. Trust me on that one.
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There is one good thing about this. It fulfills the stereotype that Democrats can't keep the country safe. I just hope that:
1) The Republicans SAY SOMETHING, and
2) We replace this clown before we pay the price for having a Powerpoint manager heading an intelligence agency.
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There is one good thing about this. It fulfills the stereotype that Democrats can't keep the country safe. I just hope that:
1) The Republicans SAY SOMETHING, and
2) We replace this clown before we pay the price for having a Powerpoint manager heading an intelligence agency.
Point 2 is doubtful,
Obama's version of the Hostage Crisis and Desert One will mean a lot more dead American civilians......
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Point 2 is doubtful,
Obama's version of the Hostage Crisis and Desert One will mean a lot more dead American civilians......
I am more worried that while he's busy dealing with Workplace Quality Meetings, we might lose a city. :P
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Well anyway, I just got an email at work indicating one of the first public functions he's going to -- looks like he's delving deep into important intelligence issues already:
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Join the Blue Vision Summit March 7-10, 2009
Come to Washington D.C. to help Turn the Tide
Our Ocean Planet is in trouble. President Obama and the new Congress are inheriting the worst economy of our lifetimes plus two wars and a climate crisis. They need to be reminded how vital a healthy ocean and coasts are to our economy, security and climate response. For them to become ocean champions, we need to come together to educate our leaders and each other about the state of our public seas, coasts and watersheds and the human and wildlife communities that depend on them.
The Blue Vision Summit will bring a range of people engaged in ocean conservation and its sustainable use together around three themes:
* To influence President Obama and Congress to take leadership actions on the ocean
* To Address Climate Change impacts on the Ocean
* To highlight Solutions to marine threats that are working from the local to the global level
The Summit will include a night with top Ocean Explorers, Two Days of Meetings and discussions, two evening celebrations and a Capitol Hill Day that will provide an opportunity for people to meet with their elected representatives
Join with up to 500 ocean leaders including new NOAA Administrator Dr. Jane Lubchenco (invited, waiting Senate confirmation), White House Council on Environmental Quality Chair Nancy Sutley (invited, waiting Confirmation), Representative Sam Farr and other members of the House Ocean Caucus, Sylvia Earle, Philippe Cousteau, Leon Panetta, Ralph Nader, Actor Ted Danson (invited), Author Bill Mckibben, California Secretary of Resources Mike Chrisman, Senators Barbara Boxer and Sheldon Whitehouse (invited), Sherman’s Lagoon Cartoonist Jim Toomey, “Arctic Tale,” Director Adam Ravetch, Terry Tamminen, Ocean Rower Roz Savage and many other dedicated ocean defenders from sea to shining sea.
Summit sites include the Carnegie Institution, George Washington University, the new Smithsonian Ocean Hall and Capitol Hill.
Summit Sponsors to date include: Blue Frontier Campaign, Khaled bin Sultan Living Oceans Foundation, Pew Environment Group, Oceana, Natural Resources Defense Council, The Ocean Conservancy, Clean Ocean Action, The Ocean Foundation and the D.C. Chapter - Surfrider.
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Yeah, CIA and NSA are restricted in spying on US citizens, as well they should be restricted. So what is a creative intel squirrel do? Why he stands up and looks over his cube wall and consults a brit or aussie or kiwi intel squirrel and asks him / her to do a surveillance deed on an American citizen. Presto chango, law is upheld and the info is gathered. Great system that Echelon.
Skeptics would say I'm wrong. I wish I was.
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Wasn't sure whether to put this in the Feinstein thread or here. :)
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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D95HSCU01&show_article=1
Obama apologizes to Feinstein for his CIA surprise
WASHINGTON (AP) - Sen. Dianne Feinstein said Tuesday that President-elect Barack Obama apologized to her for not notifying her ahead of time that Leon Panetta was his pick for CIA director.
His name leaked to the press before Obama informed Feinstein, a California Democrat and incoming Senate Intelligence Committee chairman, who will oversee Panetta's nomination hearing.
"I have been contacted by both President-elect Obama and Vice President-elect Biden, and they have explained to me the reasons why they believe Leon Panetta is the best candidate for CIA Director," she said.
Feinstein complained Monday she had not been told about Panetta and expressed doubts he has the necessary experience.
There was no immediate comment from the Obama team, which has made no formal announcement of the CIA pick.
However, Vice President-elect Joe Biden told reporters at the Capitol that the Obama team made a "mistake" in not consulting with top Senate officials before deciding on Panetta.
Panetta is a congressional and White House veteran with a strong administrative background, but no intelligence-gathering experience.
Biden called Panetta a "strong figure" for the CIA who would "take it on a new path."
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Yep, and she's already saying that "Gee Wally, on second thought Leon would be a great choice."
We're sooooo screwed.....
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Summit Sponsors to date include: Blue Frontier Campaign, Khaled bin Sultan Living Oceans Foundation, Pew Environment Group, Oceana, Natural Resources Defense Council, The Ocean Conservancy, Clean Ocean Action, The Ocean Foundation and the D.C. Chapter - Surfrider.
What!?! The National Underwater Marine Agency is not sponsoring the event? They can't hold a serious conference without Dirk Pitt.
Anygunanywhere
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Don't most policritters wait until actually taking office before royally screwing up?
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Don't most policritters wait until actually taking office before royally screwing up?
We have some over-achievers this time.
Most wait till taking office before their first scandal too.