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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Hawkmoon on February 15, 2023, 04:18:43 PM
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Thinking again (for about the 100,000th time) about dipping my toe into the Linux pool. I haven't kept up on my reading. For those who are au courant, What would be the top three or five distros for the following:
- Older/slower computers with less RAM and older CPUs
- Emulating a Windows (XT, 10, or 11) desktop interface
- Emulating a macOS user interface
- Easiest to use for computer dummies (like me)
Thanks
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3 or 4 distros?
Just install Mint.
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Just install Mint.
^this.
https://linuxmint.com/
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Mint is what we recommend every time. One of these days he'll take our advice. =D
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Thinking again (for about the 100,000th time) about dipping my toe into the Linux pool. I haven't kept up on my reading. For those who are au courant, What would be the top three or five distros for the following:
- Older/slower computers with less RAM and older CPUs
- Emulating a Windows (XT, 10, or 11) desktop interface
- Easiest to use for computer dummies (like me)
Another vote for Mint Linux.
XFCE Edition or MATE Edition for lower horsepower systems, (MATE preferred. IMHO&YMMV. ). Cinnamon Edition for better systems.
Not perfect, but I don't think someone used to working with Win 10 would have much trouble picking up on the interface. Some of the defaults aren't what I like, but, "whatever".
- Emulating a macOS user interface
Elementary OS. Minimal experience with it. "meh." I couldn't tell you how close or not it is to the MacOS experience.
Do you have a scratch computer you can try this on? Because chances are you'd end up blowing it away and reinstalling a few times.
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Do you have a scratch computer you can try this on? Because chances are you'd end up blowing it away and reinstalling a few times.
I have also in the past recommended that Hawkmoon try Linux on a stick so that he can try distros to his heart's content until he finds one he wants to install native.
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Hawk, it's very easy. Just try it out. Mint, or any of the other common distros.
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+1 for Mint! Got some notebooks with very little RAM and a soldered on tiny SSD chip for the drive so I put Mint on it. Easy and worked great!
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Don’t listen to these jokers. They don’t have your best interests at heart.
Mint isn’t even worth trying, nor any other junky Linux distro. Just install TempleOS and then thank me later.
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Do you have a scratch computer you can try this on? Because chances are you'd end up blowing it away and reinstalling a few times.
I will have one, as soon as I find the time to replace the old 250 GB hard drive with a 500 GB SSD drive.
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I have also in the past recommended that Hawkmoon try Linux on a stick so that he can try distros to his heart's content until he finds one he wants to install native.
Yep. A long time ago I tried some flavor of Linux running from a CD (or maybe it was a DVD). I'm planning to try several distros from USB sticks, if I can get them installed. Took several tries today to get the .iso for Linux Lite to install. The mounting utility recommended by the first article I read failed miserably. Rufus finally worked.
Several decades ago I would already have tried every flavor of Linux available by now. (Well, maybe not all 300 of them ... but a lot.) As I've gotten older, I have become a lot less willing to risk screwing up something and having to re-do it.
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Yep. A long time ago I tried some flavor of Linux running from a CD (or maybe it was a DVD). I'm planning to try several distros from USB sticks, if I can get them installed.
This is the site that I used to make my bootable USB sticks (I like to use linux on a stick when I'm traveling and using hotel and other wireless).
https://www.pendrivelinux.com/
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This is the site that I used to make my bootable USB sticks (I like to use linux on a stick when I'm traveling and using hotel and other wireless).
https://www.pendrivelinux.com/
God can still see what you do.
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Derivative question: Fonts?
I write books and self-publish through Amazon KDP and Barnes and Noble Press. Despite pronouncements of doom from many people on writers' and desktop publishing forums that you "can't" properly format a book for print using Microsoft Word ... that's what I do. I know that there are minor technical flaws in my books from a typesetting/layout perspective, but 99.73% of readers will never notice, so I'm not worried about it.
Because as an author I try to respect the copyrights of other creators of intellectual property, I won't pirate fonts. But when it comes to fonts and the permissions, there are some quirks. Windows includes a lot of fonts, and Microsoft Office adds more fonts. If you use Windows Professional and/or any of the professional flavors of Office (Office Pro, Office Home & Business, or Office Enterprise) you can use the fonts provided by Microsoft for any commercial purpose. However, if you have Windows Home or Office Home & Student, you CAN'T (legally) use those same fonts for commercial purposes.
So what happens if I start a book on my desktop computer, running Windows Professional and Office Professional, but I finish the book on a laptop running Windows Home and Office Home & Student? Or, just to mix it up a bit, a laptop running Windows Home but Office Home & Business?
Anyhoo ... to do anything useful with these infernal devices, we need fonts. For those of you who have switched to some flavor of Linux -- what do you do for fonts? After reading as mush as I can digest about variations of Linux, it seems most of the distros come with LibreOffice, Firefox, and Thunderbird. And I know my non-Microsoft office suite of choice, SoftMaker Office, is available for Linux. But nobody mentions fonts.
Does Linux come with fonts, or do you have to download what you want from Font Squirrel?
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I'm dragging this one back from the dead. New scenario -- a friend who is an IT guy cleaned out his basement, and delivered a bunch of old computers to my house last week. A couple aren't even computers yet -- they're empty cases, with motherboards and hard drives still in the boxes. But two of them are (or were) actual computers, back when they were new in 2007. One is an AOpen MP945 mini-PC, the other is an Asus A3000-A3Ac laptop. Both have 1 GB of RAM. The mini-PC has a 120 GB hard drive, the laptop has an 80 GB hard drive. My friend put a bare copy of XP on each of those two just to see that they would still boot up, but the plan was (and still is -- I hope) to switch them to Linux and find adotive homes for them with some poor family that needs a computer and can't afford even an entry level machine new.
The Asus has a Pentium M CPU. The Pentium M doesn't play well with Ubuntu -- something about PAE not being enabled. Thanks to Lee N. Field, I found a 32-bit version of Mint Debian (LMDE 5) that uses a non-PAE kernal, so I downloaded it and installed it on the mini-PC.
OOF!
It installed, but it took (literally) hours -- a bit over 2 hours to install. It doesn't "run" -- it doesn't even walk -- it crawls. Yet Debian for i386 is supposed to run in 512K of RAM. I'm pretty sure the problem is that LMDE 5 is only available with the Cinnamon desktop, which is a resource hog. For whatever reason, the Linux Mint folks don't offer an LMDE 5 distro with either Mate of Xfce.
On the mini-PC I gave up and installed Linux Lite, the last 32-bit distro. That runs acceptably fast, so I think someone who isn't looking to play a lot of games can use that machine to do word processing and e-mail.
But Linux Lite is based on Ubuntu, so it won't install of the Asus laptop. If I install LMDE 5 on that, it should work but I'll have the same molasses-in-January performance issue. So the question for you Linux gurus is: if I install LMDE5, can I then drag in the Xfce desktop on top if Mint and hopefully speed things up a bit?
Please keep in mind that I'm a total newb with Linux, so at least for now please keep responses non-technical. If it can be done, I'll probably need some hand holding when I tackle it.
Thanks.
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1 GB and 32 bit is pretty restrictive for any OS new enough to trust on the internet. Even Xfce requires a min of 2 GB.
As far as the one running Lite goes in running games you're going to be hard pressed to find games both compatible with Lite and able to run within the HW specs.
These machines might be useful as retro (win 98) game machines that are never connected to the internet but not much else nowadays IMHO.
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Is the ver of lite you installed 3.8? That's the last ver I can find that supports 32 bit. If so end of support was April 2021. Would not trust that hitting the internet
https://www.linuxliteos.com/download.php#roadmap
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Yes, it is Linux Lite 3.8. I thought I read that 3.8 would receive security updates until 2026.
All the more reason to see if I can graft the Xfce desktop onto LMDE 5, which is being maintained.
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All the more reason to see if I can graft the Xfce desktop onto LMDE 5, which is being maintained.
try this.
Open a terminal session.
type "sudo tasksel" and press enter. Enter your password when prompted.
You'll get a text mode menu. Arrow down, and check the box for XFCE. Also maybe try LXDE or LXQT. Spacebar selects and deselects.
Tab until OK is highlighted. Press enter. Stuff will then install.
Next time you start up, there will be a place at the main login screen to change to one of the other desktop environments.
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Progress, of sorts. I found a Debian distro with the LXQt desktop. That installed in the mini-PC. It takes 3 minutes less than forever to boot but, once booted, it runs LibreOffice fast enough for most normal people to be able to use it. But that install doesn't include Thunderbird, so I have to learn how to install that.
However, that same .iso wouldn't install on the Asus notebook with the Pentium M cpu. I'm putting LMDE 5 on it right now, while I work on my desktop computer, but if LMDE is as slow on the notebook as it was on the mini-it's not going to be a viable solution.
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Update -- to prepare you for more questions.
I tried to install Debian LMDE on the laptop, and it seems to have been corrupted. The machine wouldn't boot up -- and GRUB hijacked the BIOS so I couldn't get it to boot from the DVD drive or a USB stick. Someone finally suggested that I try hitting the ESC key while booting, and that allowed me to interrupt the boot before GRUB loaded, and boot from a DVD. So I now have Debian Xfce installed, the memory has been upgraded from 1 GB to 2 GB (that's the max the motherboard will recognize), and I have verified that the LAN port is live and functional.
The 32-bit Debian Xfce package I got includes LibreOffice and Firefox, but no e-mail client. I'd like to add one, but it won't be the end of the world if I can't. My goal is to adopt this thing out to some needy senior citizen who can't afford even a Chromebook from Walmart but who would like to be able to do e-mail and surf the web a bit.
The Xfce desktop is functional, but ugly. Does anyone know how I could install the LXQt desktop? And Thunderbird (or another decent e-mail client)?
Thanks.
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Update -- to prepare you for more questions.
I tried to install Debian LXQt on the laptop, and it seems to have been corrupted. The machine wouldn't boot up -- and GRUB hijacked the BIOS so I couldn't get it to boot from the DVD drive or a USB stick. Someone finally suggested that I try hitting the ESC key while booting, and that allowed me to interrupt the boot before GRUB loaded, and boot from a DVD. So I now have Debian Xfce installed, the memory has been upgraded from 1 GB to 2 GB (that's the max the motherboard will recognize), and I have verified that the LAN port is live and functional.
The 32-bit Debian Xfce package I got includes LibreOffice and Firefox, but no e-mail client. I'd like to add one, but it won't be the end of the world if I can't. My goal is to adopt this thing out to some needy senior citizen who can't afford even a Chromebook from Walmart but who would like to be able to do e-mail and surf the web a bit.
The Xfce desktop is functional, but ugly. Does anyone know how I could install the LXQt desktop? And Thunderbird (or another decent e-mail client)?
Thanks.
open a terminal session.
in the terminal session, type "sudo apt-get install thunderbird".
That should do it.
There are other email clients, but I haven't looked at them for years.
The Xfce desktop is functional, but ugly. Does anyone know how I could install the LXQt desktop?
See my post above, about running tasksel in a terminal.
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Regarding fonts: This is from a couple of decades ago, when I was worried about copyrights, IP, and all that crap.
What matters is the output device. If you typed something up on BobWare, but you are outputting it on a completely paid for rig, you're good.
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xfce is a good choice on old hardware because it is very lightweight. It's actually what I use daily on my workstation - it has plenty of power, but I prefer the simple, lightweight interface.
You can certainly install other windowing systems via the built in package management system, apt-get. If you haven't already done it, be sure to apt-get update and apt-get upgrade.
Run apt-get with sudo privileges.
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xfce is a good choice on old hardware because it is very lightweight. It's actually what I use daily on my workstation - it has plenty of power, but I prefer the simple, lightweight interface.
The machines he's trying to get up and running don't have the horse power for straight xfce with only 1GB of ram and a 32 bit CPU. Min for straight xfce is 2gb and 64bit
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The machines he's trying to get up and running don't have the horse power for straight xfce with only 1GB of ram and a 32 bit CPU. Min for straight xfce is 2gb and 64bit
I thought he already was using it and considering something more aesthetically pleasing, based on:
The Xfce desktop is functional, but ugly. Does anyone know how I could install the LXQt desktop? And Thunderbird (or another decent e-mail client)?
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Okay, the majority seems to be for Mint.
Now, my question is for an older Windows 7 system and replace that with Mint. Then, what replacements do you suggest for these programs?
Photoshop 6
Word
Excel
These are probably the three I use the most (daily on Word and Excel).
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Okay, the majority seems to be for Mint.
Now, my question is for an older Windows 7 system and replace that with Mint. Then, what replacements do you suggest for these programs?
Photoshop 6
Word
Excel
These are probably the three I use the most (daily on Word and Excel).
GIMP and libreoffice.
The learning curve for gimp vs photoshop might be steep depending on how advanced of a user you are.
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Okay, the majority seems to be for Mint.
Now, my question is for an older Windows 7 system and replace that with Mint. Then, what replacements do you suggest for these programs?
Photoshop 6
Word
Excel
These are probably the three I use the most (daily on Word and Excel).
PS6 - For simple light photo work Faststone, for more heavy duty GIMP
Word and Excel - LibreOffice
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I thought he already was using it and considering something more aesthetically pleasing, based on:
I may have lost track here but I think he's trying to splice together different distros to try to get something to work in 1GB of ram and 32bit.
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The Xfce desktop is functional, but ugly. Does anyone know how I could install the LXQt desktop? And Thunderbird (or another decent e-mail client)?
Thanks.
XFCE is plain, but the lower resource desktops are even more so. IMHO & YMMV. If XFCE works, run with it.
Mate also works well. It was deliberately designed to look and act like Gnome 2 (because Gnome 3 when it came out was so jarring.)
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The machines he's trying to get up and running don't have the horse power for straight xfce with only 1GB of ram and a 32 bit CPU. Min for straight xfce is 2gb and 64bit
I was able to find memory, and the machine now has a whopping 2GB of RAM. That's all it can take, according to the specs. The Debian 32-bit distro I found came with Xfce as the desktop.
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I thought he already was using it and considering something more aesthetically pleasing, based on:
Correct. LXQt is better looking, and supposedly even lighter on resources, but the LXQt distro I got was corrupted -- that's what locked me out of the computer. To switch to LXQt now, which I would like to do, will mean installing it mmanually over the existing OS.
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Okay, the majority seems to be for Mint.
Now, my question is for an older Windows 7 system and replace that with Mint. Then, what replacements do you suggest for these programs?
Photoshop 6
Word
Excel
These are probably the three I use the most (daily on Word and Excel).
I don't think this computer will run Mint. I tried running it live from a DVD and it stalled.
If you are contemplating a switch to Linux, GIMP has plenty of features to rival Photoshop, but it's a steep learning curve.
LibreOffice is free. Writer = Word, Calc = Excel, and Impress = Powerpoint. LibreOffice also includes Draw, which I've never found a use for. For a different Linux office suite that looks and acts a bit more like the Microsoft Office products, take a look at FreeOffice (www.freeoffice.com).
A Mint distro probably already has LibreOffice installed, and may have GIMP installed.
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Okay, the majority seems to be for Mint.
Now, my question is for an older Windows 7 system and replace that with Mint. Then, what replacements do you suggest for these programs?
Photoshop 6
Word
Excel
These are probably the three I use the most (daily on Word and Excel).
I don't think this computer will run Mint. I tried running it live from a DVD and it stalled.
I believe he was asking for his window 7 machine. If it can run W7 it should be able to run Mint unless his machine has a 32bit CPU. Only 64bit is supported in Mint now.
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try this.
Open a terminal session.
type "sudo tasksel" and press enter. Enter your password when prompted.
You'll get a text mode menu. Arrow down, and check the box for XFCE. Also maybe try LXDE or LXQT. Spacebar selects and deselects.
Tab until OK is highlighted. Press enter. Stuff will then install.
Next time you start up, there will be a place at the main login screen to change to one of the other desktop environments.
The options presented are
* Debian desktop
* XFCE
* Laptop
Already running Xfce, so what would either of the other two options get me?
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open a terminal session.
in the terminal session, type "sudo apt-get install thunderbird".
That should do it.
There are other email clients, but I haven't looked at them for years.
See my post above, about running tasksel in a terminal.
Package thunderbird is not available but is referred by another package.
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Package thunderbird is not available but is referred by another package.
Have you updated apt-get?
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Correct. LXQt is better looking, and supposedly even lighter on resources, but the LXQt distro I got was corrupted -- that's what locked me out of the computer. To switch to LXQt now, which I would like to do, will mean installing it mmanually over the existing OS.
This... isn't quite right.
You must not think of Linux systems the same as Windows, where you get an OS as a big monolithic thing. When you pick a linux distribution, you're really getting a image where someone has selected and bundled a bunch of different packages together, along with the config, and made sure it all plays nicely.
As an end user, you can add your own packages, remove packages, upgrade them or change them out. And the desktop environment is... just a series of packages. You can add or remove them as you see fit. There can be dragons here, dependency conflicts and whatnot - but it's not correct to think that because you picked an image with a particular desktop environment on it, you're stuck with that.
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Have you updated apt-get?
Short answer: no.
Long answer: didn't know it should be updated, and have no idea how to do it.
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Short answer: no.
Long answer: didn't know it should be updated, and have no idea how to do it.
Images are never up to date. Good first steps on a clean install are update/upgrade on the package management system.
For apt-get:
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade
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The options presented are
* Debian desktop
* XFCE
* Laptop
Already running Xfce, so what would either of the other two options get me?
Try this.
Open a terminal. Type "sudo apt install task-lxqt-desktop". press enter. enter your password when requested.
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Package thunderbird is not available but is referred by another package.
something's hosed.
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FWIW, I've been running Mint for I'm guessing is 6-8 years...
If you need a hotter machine, look at the refurb boxes at microcenter dot com...
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FWIW, I've been running Mint for I'm guessing is 6-8 years...
If you need a hotter machine, look at the refurb boxes at microcenter dot com...
Similar story here. Bought one of these a little over a year ago:
https://www.newegg.com/hp-elitebook-840-g3/p/N82E16834271970
Dropped in a M2 1TB drive and haven't had any issues.
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FWIW, I've been running Mint for I'm guessing is 6-8 years...
If you need a hotter machine, look at the refurb boxes at microcenter dot com...
Back to the beginning. I HAVE a hotter machine. This one was given to me, non-functional, and I just want to get it running enough so that I can find it an adoptive home. That means setting it up so that someone who knows even less than I do about computers can just turn it on and do things.
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I believe he was asking for his window 7 machine. If it can run W7 it should be able to run Mint unless his machine has a 32bit CPU. Only 64bit is supported in Mint now.
Thanks to all for their suggestion, esp. Nick and WLJ.
Yes, this is a 64 bit CPU (Intel i5-6500 @ 3.2 GHz on a Win. 7 Pro. I tried to find how much RAM on this but can't find the actual amount. IIRC, it is 4 gb.
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Thanks to all for their suggestion, esp. Nick and WLJ.
Yes, this is a 64 bit CPU (Intel i5-6500 @ 3.2 GHz on a Win. 7 Pro. I tried to find how much RAM on this but can't find the actual amount. IIRC, it is 4 gb.
Run Belarc Advisor. It will tell you RAM and just about every other thing about your computer. A Belarc report is generally valuable to run at least once and print out. Especially for stuff like software information.
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Thanks to all for their suggestion, esp. Nick and WLJ.
Yes, this is a 64 bit CPU (Intel i5-6500 @ 3.2 GHz on a Win. 7 Pro. I tried to find how much RAM on this but can't find the actual amount. IIRC, it is 4 gb.
Just last Dec I upgraded from a i5 6500 to a AMD Ryzen 5 Zen 3 5600G on my main PC
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Thanks to all for their suggestion, esp. Nick and WLJ.
Yes, this is a 64 bit CPU (Intel i5-6500 @ 3.2 GHz on a Win. 7 Pro. I tried to find how much RAM on this but can't find the actual amount. IIRC, it is 4 gb.
Right click anywhere on the desktop, then click "Display Settings." Scroll to the bottom and click "About."
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What a PITA!
I decided it might be easier trying to learn about Linux if I had a working computer next to the patient. I have a spare computer on a card table in the living room with an ethernet cable running to it, and a friend recently gave me a switch he wasn't using any more, so that seemed like a logical solution.
Except that it doesn't work. If I connect the ethernet cable directly to the network port on the laptop, it sees the Internet. I I connect through the switch, the desktop computer sees the Internet, but the laptop doesn't.
Any idea? The switch is a Linksys SD208
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It sorta sounds like only one IP address is being assigned on the local network. Is DHCP active on the router?
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What a PITA!
I decided it might be easier trying to learn about Linux if I had a working computer next to the patient. I have a spare computer on a card table in the living room with an ethernet cable running to it, and a friend recently gave me a switch he wasn't using any more, so that seemed like a logical solution.
Except that it doesn't work. If I connect the ethernet cable directly to the network port on the laptop, it sees the Internet. I I connect through the switch, the desktop computer sees the Internet, but the laptop doesn't.
Any idea? The switch is a Linksys SD208
Maybe there's a reason he's not using the switch anymore. Try a different port.
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Maybe there's a reason he's not using the switch anymore. Try a different port.
I think you may have found the problem. I tried a new Netgear switch I got from Amazon, and that works as intended.
At some point I'll try the Linksys switch with two or three Windows computers and see what happens.
Also found a USB WiFi dongle on Amazon that's supposed to be plug-and-play with Linux, so that's on order. If that works as advertised, I think I'll consider this thing done and ready for adoption.
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On the mini-PC I gave up and installed Linux Lite, the last 32-bit distro. That runs acceptably fast, so I think someone who isn't looking to play a lot of games can use that machine to do word processing and e-mail.
I'm learning more than I ever expected -- or wanted -- to know about Linux.
The USB WiFi dongle I have, from TP-Link, doesn't work. The box says it works with Linux, but it's version 2.2, and TP-Link says only version 3 works with Linux. I found a different brand on Amazon that's supposed to be plug-and-play with Linux, so I have two on order and all fingers and toes crossed.
Meanwhile, other than the WiFi dongle I have to laptop to a point that I'm satisfied. It's not great -- even at extremely low resolutions videos are choppy, but that's a function of the computer, so it is what it is. So, while awaiting the arrival of the WiFi dongles, I went back to the mini-PC ... and found that things I was able to figure out on the laptop don't work on the mini-PC. Things like installing additional fonts. I'm seriously considering dumping the Linux Lite I have on the Mini and installing the same Debian Linux with Xfce desktop that I have on the laptop.
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Things like installing additional fonts. I'm seriously considering dumping the Linux Lite I have on the Mini and installing the same Debian Linux with Xfce desktop that I have on the laptop.
If this is a computer that you're giving to someone who needs one badly enough to take outdated hardware, aren't you getting in the weeds with stuff like fonts? Font choices are an author Hawkmoon thing. Someone who'd be happy to get a bajillion year old computer just so they can use the interwebz and do other basic stuff will be more than happy with the fonts in Libre Office or Google Docs.
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I'm learning more than I ever expected -- or wanted -- to know about Linux.
The USB WiFi dongle I have, from TP-Link, doesn't work. The box says it works with Linux, but it's version 2.2, and TP-Link says only version 3 works with Linux. I found a different brand on Amazon that's supposed to be plug-and-play with Linux, so I have two on order and all fingers and toes crossed.
Yep, found out the hard way a lot of USB wi-fi adapters do not work with Linux.
There are some generic drivers that can be downloaded and made to work but often at a slower than rated speed though. Got a copy of printouts how to download load and compile them around here somewhere.
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If this is a computer that you're giving to someone who needs one badly enough to take outdated hardware, aren't you getting in the weeds with stuff like fonts? Font choices are an author Hawkmoon thing. Someone who'd be happy to get a bajillion year old computer just so they can use the interwebz and do other basic stuff will be more than happy with the fonts in Libre Office or Google Docs.
True, except that Linux and LibreOffice don't include Times New Roman, Arial, or Calibri -- which are default fonts in Windows. My thinking was (and is) that anyone who even might exchange documents with a Windows/Microsoft Office user will probably encounter one or two of those fonts, so I wanted to have them available.
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Did you get thunderbird to install eventually, Hawkmoon?
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True, except that Linux and LibreOffice don't include Times New Roman, Arial, or Calibri -- which are default fonts in Windows. My thinking was (and is) that anyone who even might exchange documents with a Windows/Microsoft Office user will probably encounter one or two of those fonts, so I wanted to have them available.
I just looked at my Libre Office and it has all three in the default font package. As does Google Docs.
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I just looked at my Libre Office and it has all three in the default font package. As does Google Docs.
Not from LibreOffice. Maybe from whatever Linux distro you have.
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Fonts
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Did you get thunderbird to install eventually, Hawkmoon?
Nope. Not on either old machine.
I had so much trouble with Linux Lite on the mini-PC that I just dumped it and installed the same Debian 11 Xfce that I put on the laptop. There are enough web-based e-mail clients that Thunderbird isn't an absolute necessity -- although I would have preferred to install a desktop e-mail client.
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Debian 12 was released not long ago.
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Debian 12 was released not long ago.
I know.
Don't want to push my luck.
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Not from LibreOffice. Maybe from whatever Linux distro you have.
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Fonts
Libre Office. If you don't have them on your install, you can try:
sudo apt-get install ttf-mscorefonts-installer
The MS fonts installer..
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I just looked at my Libre Office and it has all three in the default font package. As does Google Docs.
The LO installed on my W10 machine has Times New Roman and Arial while the LO installed in a Mint 21.1 virtual machine does not.
The one installed in w10 is getting those fonts from windows.
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The LO installed on my W10 machine has Times New Roman and Arial while the LO installed in a Mint 21.1 virtual machine does not.
The one installed in w10 is getting those fonts from windows.
Correct.
I have had LO on my Windows computers since either Windows XP or Windows 7, and I had Times New Roman, Calibri, and Arial from Windows. The Linux Debian I put on the laptop includes LO (release 7.x.x) but does not include Times New Roman, Arial, or Calibri.
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In related Linux news just noticed Mint Cinnamon, MATE, and Xfce 21.2 are avail for download now.
https://linuxmint.com/download_all.php