Author Topic: Terrorist attacks in Norway (Read 48550 times)

KD5NRH · « **Reply #25 on:** July 22, 2011, 08:54:17 PM »

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1848: Norwegian police say they believe there is a connection between the Oslo bombing and Labour party youth camp shootings on the island of Utoeya.
1854: BBC security correspondent Gordon Correra says it is significant that the Norwegian police say they believe the Oslo bomb and Labour youth camp shootings are related.

"Significant," how? That they're not braindead enough to bet on this being a really frickin' huge coincidence?

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #26 on:** July 22, 2011, 10:50:20 PM »

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43857267/ns/world_news-europe/

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The suspect in the twin attacks Friday that killed dozens of people in Norway was identified early Saturday as a 32-year-old Norwegian farmer.

TV2, the country's largest broadcaster, and the newspaper Dagbladet identified him as Anders Behring Breivik, 32, describing him as a member of right-wing extremist groups. Shortly thereafter, The Telegraph newspaper of London reported the same information, citing Norwegian Justice Minister Knut Storberget.

Physics · « **Reply #27 on:** July 22, 2011, 10:51:03 PM »

All I can say is holy *expletive deleted*. AP reporting more than 80 dead in the shooting. NSFW due to a ~~graphic~~ tasteless image.

TechMan · « **Reply #28 on:** July 22, 2011, 11:26:06 PM »

My sympathies and prayers to the Norwegians.

gunsmith · « **Reply #29 on:** July 22, 2011, 11:53:26 PM »

Horrifying, apparently he lured the victims by dressing as a police officer.

I expect this to be copied by other terrorist.

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #30 on:** July 23, 2011, 06:05:38 AM »

Quote from: gunsmith on July 22, 2011, 11:53:26 PM

Horrifying, apparently he lured the victims by dressing as a police officer.

I expect this to be copied by other terrorist.

This is a common terrorist tactic. In conflict zones, some of them will even deliberately pose as government officials and commit war crimes to agitate the population against their enemies.

Iain · « **Reply #31 on:** July 23, 2011, 07:24:22 AM »

There's a photo going round, taken from a helicopter probably, that is the most devastating thing I've ever seen. Blurry but clear enough to see that a child in the water begs for his life, surrounded by bodies as the gunman aims at him from the shore.

280plus · « **Reply #32 on:** July 23, 2011, 07:52:41 AM »

So they could take pictures of him in action but nobody could shoot back at the SOB. I can't tell you how much that pisses me off.

Iain · « **Reply #33 on:** July 23, 2011, 10:25:33 AM »

Apparently it was a media helicopter, and they weren't sure what was going on and what they were filming.

Free Republic has been an interesting read.

280plus · « **Reply #34 on:** July 23, 2011, 10:31:43 AM »

I almost fell out of my chair when I saw the updated toll this morning and started to get the real gist of the thing. Damn, there are no words.

Fly320s · « **Reply #35 on:** July 23, 2011, 11:15:33 AM »

Total of 92 dead. Wow.

Hawkmoon · « **Reply #36 on:** July 23, 2011, 11:33:14 AM »

And my wife wonders why I have "arms" in the house ...

gunsmith · « **Reply #37 on:** July 23, 2011, 12:43:22 PM »

OK, you're in a dam helicopter and you cant think of something? anything? to help save those kids??!!

1st stop filming and throw things at him! personally I would be tempted to fly right into him ( I don't know how feasible that is/not a copter pilot )

There has got to be something you can do rather than merely observing

Northwoods · « **Reply #38 on:** July 23, 2011, 01:07:32 PM »

I read of at least people on that island that were certainly close enough to the gunman that that could have concievably mounted a counter-attack. I don't get why somebody didn't try. Pick up a number of rocks and hurl them at him while charging. Between that element of surprise and his instinctual reflex to dodge the rocks you might be able to close to contact distance. Save at least one rock to bash his skull with if you make it to him.

Might have been futile, but there were charges like that against school shooters here in the USA that were successful (Thurston HS in Springfield, OR comes to mind).

French G. · « **Reply #39 on:** July 23, 2011, 03:13:22 PM »

Smells to me. If you're a neo-nazi loon, why attack the gov't center? Why a bunch of presumably Norwegian youth? If you're that wound up about immigrants and Muslims wouldn't it make more sense to attack an immigrant population center? It may come out to be a lone neo-nazi nut but if so it is the dumbest attack of all time for furthering their political objectives. Kinda like the McVeigh (had help) attack was soo perfect for shutting up the lunatic fringe here. At a perfect political time no less. I hate coincidences.

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #40 on:** July 23, 2011, 03:39:28 PM »

Quote from: gunsmith on July 23, 2011, 12:43:22 PM

OK, you're in a dam helicopter and you cant think of something? anything? to help save those kids??!!

1st stop filming and throw things at him! personally I would be tempted to fly right into him ( I don't know how feasible that is/not a copter pilot )

There has got to be something you can do rather than merely observing

People fall back to their training/what they know best to do. Journalists know best to take photographs/video. In fact it's in the training of many reporters to keep taking photographs/video even when it's downright death-defying to do so.

Viking · « **Reply #41 on:** July 23, 2011, 04:30:49 PM »

Quote from: French G. on July 23, 2011, 03:13:22 PM

Smells to me. If you're a neo-nazi loon, why attack the gov't center? Why a bunch of presumably Norwegian youth? If you're that wound up about immigrants and Muslims wouldn't it make more sense to attack an immigrant population center? It may come out to be a lone neo-nazi nut but if so it is the dumbest attack of all time for furthering their political objectives. Kinda like the McVeigh (had help) attack was soo perfect for shutting up the lunatic fringe here. At a perfect political time no less. I hate coincidences.

Social democratic youth org had their annual camp on the island, so I'm guessing it makes perfect sense if you are a fcuking nutcase.

sanglant · « **Reply #42 on:** July 23, 2011, 07:03:59 PM »

Quote from: gunsmith on July 23, 2011, 12:43:22 PM

OK, you're in a dam helicopter and you cant think of something? anything? to help save those kids??!!

1st stop filming and throw things at him! personally I would be tempted to fly right into him ( I don't know how feasible that is/not a copter pilot )

There has got to be something you can do rather than merely observing

the rotars would have made quick work of him.

and yes i would have risked it.

but then that's probably why i'll never have the chance to fly one.

birdman · « **Reply #43 on:** July 23, 2011, 09:12:24 PM »

Quote from: sanglant on July 23, 2011, 07:03:59 PM

the rotars would have made quick work of him. and yes i would have risked it. but then that's probably why i'll never have the chance to fly one.

Until he shoots the pilot, who crashes into the crowd he was trying to save...close contact CAS is hard enough for pros, let alone a (probably retired military) civilian pilot.

RoadKingLarry · « **Reply #44 on:** July 23, 2011, 09:54:20 PM »

My opinion is that this is a good example of why adults should be able to be armed. A couple of armed individuals might have been able to stop the killer.

41magsnub · « **Reply #45 on:** July 24, 2011, 12:19:44 AM »

Yep.. total whacko and yes... there is a manifesto:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=89a_1311444384

The manifesto is 1500 pages so if somebody wants to gin up the cliff's notes version....

Scout26 · « **Reply #46 on:** July 24, 2011, 01:01:28 AM »

Quote from: 41magsnub on July 24, 2011, 12:19:44 AM

Yep.. total whacko and yes... there is a manifesto:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=89a_1311444384

The manifesto is 1500 pages so if somebody wants to gin up the cliff's notes version....

My Norwegian isn't that good.

Just horrifying and no, I'm not going to watch the video. Rumor has it that the max punishment he'll face is 21 years in jail.

KD5NRH · « **Reply #47 on:** July 24, 2011, 01:39:59 AM »

Quote from: RoadKingLarry on July 23, 2011, 09:54:20 PM

My opinion is that this is a good example of why adults should be able to be armed. A couple of armed individuals might have been able to stop the killer.

Two with even remotely decent tactics certainly could have; approach from opposite directions, and one will be flanking him regardless of who he focuses on first.

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #48 on:** July 24, 2011, 02:12:00 AM »

I'd think 10 unarmed people could deal with a guy with a Glock if they rushed him all at once.

Viking · « **Reply #49 on:** July 24, 2011, 04:02:53 AM »

Quote from: scout26 on July 24, 2011, 01:01:28 AM

My Norwegian isn't that good.

Just horrifying and no, I'm not going to watch the video. Rumor has it that the max punishment he'll face is 21 years in jail.

From what I understood, after 21 years he'll be evaluated for release, then again every 5 years...so I don't think he's ever getting out.

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