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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: MillCreek on August 16, 2012, 02:04:49 PM
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http://theoatmeal.com/comics/religion
Oh, that Matthew Inman.....
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:lol:
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The only thing funny is the irony...
The cartoonist loathes the proselytizing by religeous people so much that he spends several hours drawing a cartoon to post on mass media to tell everyone how stupid their religeon is.
Live and let live? Nyet.
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I especially like his analogizing the fate of one's eternal soul to what color little Jenny likes.
"Daddy! I want to drink poison!"
"Well, honey, some people think that will kill you, while other people think that it will make you stronger. What do you think?"
How dare we push our radical beliefs about poison on a little child. We should allow them to experience it themselves and make their own decisions.
The sex "analogy" fits here, too.
Or, to sum up:
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He tried for eschatological humor, but could only manage the scatological kind.
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A while back he pointed out all the folks killed in the name of Christianity and Islam, and contrasted it with the absolute lack of people killed by atheism. He never answered my question as to whether he was aware of the official religious policy of Communism.
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Unimpressed.
Self-indulgent sophistry.
He should stick to the Edison/Tesla debates.
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It is a nice example of how when folks say "No H8!" what they really mean is "Hate the right people."
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In his defense, I think his "How to use a semicolon" comic was well-researched.
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/semicolon
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Wow. Somebody wrote up a puerile rant against religion that only show-cases the shallow, ill-informed, illogic of their own mind? Color me astounded.
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(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi156.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft33%2FAJ_Dual%2Fd_2634.gif&hash=7a1c6915ccfa09dd34737fc9781ff19c925b1708)
Not even...
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The only thing funny is the irony...
The cartoonist loathes the proselytizing by religeous people so much that he spends several hours drawing a cartoon to post on mass media to tell everyone how stupid their religeon is.
Live and let live? Nyet.
Seconded.
Oh, and he didn't have the balls to draw a caricature of Mohammed.
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:lol:
Me too. *gigglesnort*
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Wow. Somebody wrote up a puerile rant against religion that only show-cases the shallow, ill-informed, illogic of their own mind? Color me astounded.
I can't find that one in my 48-piece box of Crayolas. Is that color in the 64-piece set, or the 120-piece set?
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Seconded.
Oh, and he didn't have the balls to draw a caricature of Mohammed.
And yet he did make a valid point without getting on a hit list.
If someone gets their nose out of joint over a cartoon like this, that means it's probably not too far off the mark.
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And yet he did make a valid point without getting on a hit list.
If someone gets their nose out of joint over a cartoon like this, that means it's probably not too far off the mark.
As a recovering christian, I found it hilarious :lol:
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Me too. I am still a believer, but organized religion can be quite wacko. The world has about 60 quadrillion Muslim males running around, who believe that God punishes them for thinking about sex, yet rewards them with sex if they kill infidels. I 'm guessing that God thinks that's oddly humorous, as he flings the little bastards into purgatory, or wherever he recycles broken toys.
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If someone gets their nose out of joint over a cartoon like this, that means it's probably not too far off the mark.
'Cause nobody's ever offended by ill-informed, sophomoric individuals spreading disinformation about them. =)
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This isn't satire.
It's flattire.
It exists so people of like beliefs could read it, see it repeat the arguments they've heard so many times, and feel smart.
"Oh LOL! God is like an imaginary friend! LAWL! Look how smart and mature I am not believing in imaginary friends!"
I'm sorry, as a non-theist I'd have to say this got boring a few years ago.
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Meh, I'm with Micro. It came off as the typical progressive, smug, "smart", "I'm just so cleverly funny proving that I'm intellectually superior to you" attitude that I too often see where I live. Not unlike why I stopped watching Family Guy after the creator got a case of BDS. He was original and funny when he was making fun of everyone. Not so much when he was only making fun of things or people he didn't like or approve of.
Actually, the first thing I thought of when I read the comic was that it reminded me of the dbag at the Chic-Fil-A drivethru.
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This isn't satire.
It's flattire.
Ok, now that's funny.
If the cartoonist were on my side of things, I'd be grimacing while he recycled old saws about a tornado in a junkyard producing a 747; or how God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
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I laughed, but then my ox isn't getting gored here.
I thought this was funnier:
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2703#comic
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Funnier, sure. Even there, when critics of creationism drag out the old thing about God fooling people with fossils, they just look like they're only capable of plucking the low-hanging fruit. And you have to wonder if they're so ignorant of the belief system they're criticizing that they don't know creationism disavowed that idea long ago, or are they intentionally setting up a straw man? Or would that be a straw fruit? Oh dear, my metaphors are all mixed up.
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I laughed, but then my ox isn't getting gored here.
I thought this was funnier:
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2703#comic
Given I actually know people, studying graduate school history, who actually argue against the concept of historical truth...
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Given I actually know people, studying graduate school history, who actually argue against the concept of historical truth...
Then there is a guy like Bart Ehrrorman, who combines the study of religion with a denial that any objective truth exists. =)
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I like science! Its neat!
My fave science quote is "matter can neither be created or destroyed" .... well, that certainly explains the big bang!
in the beginning there was nothing, nothing being very unstable exploded. Then there was something.
I am smartier then all the atheist who never killed people in Red China or the Soviet Union!
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I have to agree with some of y'all: his lil snit throughout the strip was kinda stupid. I DID agree with the ending segment, though
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I have to agree with some of y'all: his lil snit throughout the strip was kinda stupid. I DID agree with the ending segment, though
Then at the very end, it says that if your religion helps you to be happy and help people, that you should keep it to yourself. I'm pretty sure that was one of the stupid parts. =) So it starts with the stupid part about how judging people is bad, then there's a lot of judging people, in between, then it ends with a stupid part about how you shouldn't tell people about a belief that makes you a better person. (Although it is apparently acceptable to tell others about beliefs that make you a bad person (not that that would be judgy, or anything).)
Yeah, it's kind of a laugh riot all the way through. I could pick apart all of the half-baked silliness, but that would just make me pull my hair out. And it would be judging, which is bad. Or not.
Maybe the title should be "How to suck at thinking about religion."
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Many of you have valid complaints about the strip, but
Every time someone has homosexual intercourse, God punishes us by letting Nickelback release another album
may be the funniest thing I've ever read.
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Many of you have valid complaints about the strip, but
Every time someone has homosexual intercourse, God punishes us by letting Nickelback release another album
may be the funniest thing I've ever read.
I actually thought that, too.
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Every time someone has homosexual intercourse, God punishes us by letting Nickelback release another album
Yep, was a funny part.
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A while back he pointed out all the folks killed in the name of Christianity and Islam, and contrasted it with the absolute lack of people killed by atheism. He never answered my question as to whether he was aware of the official religious policy of Communism.
So because Communist governments loved them some atheism atheism in general is guilt by association? I'd say such people were killed by communism, not atheism.
The only thing funny is the irony...
The cartoonist loathes the proselytizing by religeous people so much that he spends several hours drawing a cartoon to post on mass media to tell everyone how stupid their religeon is.
Live and let live? Nyet.
Did the comic knock on your door to tell you of its glorious message? Did it stop you on the street? Or did you voluntarily click on the link and read it of your own free will? Therein lies the difference.
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So because Communist governments loved them some atheism atheism in general is guilt by association? I'd say such people were killed by communism, not atheism.
Well, on that logic, just how many people were actually killed by "Christianity" and not governments that loved them some "Christianity"?
Did the comic knock on your door to tell you of its glorious message? Did it stop you on the street? Or did you voluntarily click on the link and read it of your own free will? Therein lies the difference.
I wonder how he found the link in the first place...
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Did the comic knock on your door to tell you of its glorious message? Did it stop you on the street? Or did you voluntarily click on the link and read it of your own free will? Therein lies the difference.
No difference. You can ignore someone ringing your doorbell or someone bugging you on the street just the same.
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The whole modern entertainment media is filled with outspoken atheists presenting similar snarky commentary in TV shows, movies, interviews etc.
It is probably more out there than the simple gospel of Christ.
Most everyone probably has heard any number of the snarky comments the strip contains in both video and print media. It didn't contain anything I had never heard before.
In my occasional discussions about "religion" with friends and acquaintances most would be hard pressed to succinctly sum up what the gospel of Christ actually is.
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No difference. You can ignore someone ringing your doorbell or someone bugging you on the street just the same.
Yes there is a difference, one requires an action on your part, the other requires and action on someone elses part.
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Atheists don't need to go door-to-door to "evangelize." They have the schools for that.
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Yes there is a difference, one requires an action on your part, the other requires and action on someone elses part.
I think the point is that this comic is an example of the author not keeping his beliefs "to [his] f***ing self" as he advocates for everyone else. Whether you can find a theist (or an atheist for that matter) who is pushier than the author of this comic irrelevant.
As irritating as it may be to have people you disagree with attempt to proselytize to you, I find it hard to fault someone who truly believes their way of life can bring happiness, well being, strength, etc. to others and tries to share that. On the other hand, when people attempt to use the rule of law to enforce or suppress religious convictions beyond what is reasonable*, that is worth getting offended about.
* Reasonable religious convictions to enforce include prohibitions against murder and theft and so forth. Reasonable religious convictions to suppress might include human sacrifice, ritualized rape and the like.
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So because Communist governments loved them some atheism atheism in general is guilt by association? I'd say such people were killed by communism, not atheism.
Did the comic knock on your door to tell you of its glorious message? Did it stop you on the street? Or did you voluntarily click on the link and read it of your own free will? Therein lies the difference.
1. Can't have it both ways. Either nominally Christian (or atheist) .govs committing murder is the fault of their theological underpinnings, or they aren't. Can't say "Everything the other side does is attributable to their ideology, but nothing my side does is."
2. Do you really not the the irony in someone loudly evangelizing their position, when their position is that evangelism is wrong? Quite the double standard. "When Christian .govs kill people, the fault lies with the religion. When atheist .govs kill people, it has nothing to do with atheism. When people evangelize for their religion they're horrible and awful. When I evangelize for my (atheistic) religion, it's awesome!" ;/
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Well, no one has ever knocked on my door trying to get me to believe in nothing :P
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1. Can't have it both ways. Either nominally Christian (or atheist) .govs committing murder is the fault of their theological underpinnings, or they aren't. Can't say "Everything the other side does is attributable to their ideology, but nothing my side does is."
2. Do you really not the the irony in someone loudly evangelizing their position, when their position is that evangelism is wrong? Quite the double standard. "When Christian .govs kill people, the fault lies with the religion. When atheist .govs kill people, it has nothing to do with atheism. When people evangelize for their religion they're horrible and awful. When I evangelize for my (atheistic) religion, it's awesome!" ;/
This. With bells on it.
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Well, no one has ever knocked on my door trying to get me to believe in nothing :P
Well, there's always this:
Atheists don't need to go door-to-door to "evangelize." They have the schools for that.
Oh, and keep in mind that there's always a media culture prepared to anti-evangelize for religions whenever they believe they can get away with it.
You will find them inclined to ratchet up the rhetoric in ratio to the likelihood that the religion in question might rock some boat or other. Buddhists seldom rock boats, and they seldom catch flak [at least in a mostly civilized society]. Catholics are harder to attack, but they have their vulnerabilities. Anything that can be branded a "cult" (and that still includes LDS) is fair game.
Ironically, if a religion (or cult) is actually dangerous -- you know, violent responses to criticism -- the Press is much more circumspect. Similarly, once a religion figures out that "doing nothing" is how you go extinct, they find ways to hit back, only instead of bombs they might choose to grab an assault lawyer instead.
Public ridicule is aggression. If you plan to survive as a church, you never let that go unanswered. In some cases it's enough to simply prosper beyond the ability of the aggressor to squelch. In other cases you bring on the attorneys.
Religion, as misused and co-opted as it may have been, is still the traditional -- and most reliable -- vehicle of morality and ethical foundations.
Religious intolerance is corrosive stuff.
Eats away the very fabric of a culture.
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Atheists don't need to go door-to-door to "evangelize." They have the schools for that.
and movies, TV shows, well paid comics, pundits & the ACLU
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Many of you have valid complaints about the strip, but
Every time someone has homosexual intercourse, God punishes us by letting Nickelback release another album
may be the funniest thing I've ever read.
Yes, he does get props for that. Death to Nickelback.
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I'm happy to say that I was blissfully unaware of the Nickelback scourge until I heard an explanation of it a few days ago. Until then, they were just a band name that people used as a punchline every so often, but I didn't know why.
I have also never heard a Bieber song.
See? There is a God. :angel:
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1. Can't have it both ways. Either nominally Christian (or atheist) .govs committing murder is the fault of their theological underpinnings, or they aren't. Can't say "Everything the other side does is attributable to their ideology, but nothing my side does is."
2. Do you really not the the irony in someone loudly evangelizing their position, when their position is that evangelism is wrong? Quite the double standard. "When Christian .govs kill people, the fault lies with the religion. When atheist .govs kill people, it has nothing to do with atheism. When people evangelize for their religion they're horrible and awful. When I evangelize for my (atheistic) religion, it's awesome!" ;/
There is a difference between evangelizing your position on your own website which you own and which others must choose to visit to see said evangelizing and walking up to peoples doors or on the street.
I believe people killed by Communist governments were killed by Communism, not atheism, because that was their ideological underpinnings. In Communism the state was god.
I havn't defended anything the Oatmeal said, only attacked specific posters positions.
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There is a difference between evangelizing your position on your own website which you own and which others must choose to visit to see said evangelizing and walking up to peoples doors or on the street.
It sucks living in a country where you don't have the right to not be offended, doesn't it?
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I despise the radical atheists as much as I do the rabid evangelicals. =(
It's no problem to me if folks want to celebrate warm fuzzy holidays. =)
But I've been in those churches that tell you that once you've heard their teaching, that you're going to hell if you ever leave them. >:D
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There is a difference between evangelizing your position on your own website which you own and which others must choose to visit to see said evangelizing and walking up to peoples doors or on the street.
So the author of this comic is more like Jack Chick, and the folks who spread the comic around (MillCreek excluded, of course) are like the people who shove Chick tracts at passers by?
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The best humor comes from observationsmade about truth.....this guy is more about pushing his belief than observing truth....so the funny never quite makes an appearance.
....and I'm with Jamis....let's see him do the same comic about Islam or Sikhism....see if he gets the same warm fuzzies....
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I confess I'm a little amazed that some folks are so mortaly offended by people knocking on their door.
Once i stopped trying to be a dick to them, I have had great success with "No thanks, I don't want to talk to you." Are Mormans and JW's pushier out west? Because in the grand historical scheme of prostelizing, turning down a copy of the watchtower is pretty low key.
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It sucks living in a country where you don't have the right to not be offended, doesn't it?
Not really, as long as I can tell them to get off my lawn and boot them in the ass when they refuse its actually pretty nice not having to worry about state persecution... as much as other countries.
So the author of this comic is more like Jack Chick, and the folks who spread the comic around (MillCreek excluded, of course) are like the people who shove Chick tracts at passers by?
I guess you could put it that way but sending someone a link still isnt quite the same as bothering them in person.
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So do you view Girl Scouts and folks gathering signatures with the same vehement dislike RS?
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I confess I'm a little amazed that some folks are so mortaly offended by people knocking on their door.
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I'm not sure where folks get from a comic strip to mortally offended ???
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>Once i stopped trying to be a dick to them, I have had great success with "No thanks, I don't want to talk to you." Are Mormans and JW's pushier out west? Because in the grand historical scheme of prostelizing, turning down a copy of the watchtower is pretty low key.<
Actually, some of them around here get WAY too pushy, and downright offensive.
>So do you view Girl Scouts and folks gathering signatures with the same vehement dislike RS? <
Girl Scouts = cookies
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So do you view Girl Scouts and folks gathering signatures with the same vehement dislike RS?
I never mentioned any vehement dislike, but yes I don't like to be bugged by anyone soliciting anything in general.
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Girl Scouts = cookies
And you're a sucker for thin mints.
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mmm, cookie
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I have no idea what you're talking about
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I never mentioned any vehement dislike, but yes I don't like to be bugged by anyone soliciting anything in general.
Oh yea, it's obvious that's all that is bugging you about religion! ;) :lol:
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/22/signs-attack-religion-ahead-democratic-convention/
The signs, paid for by American Atheists Incorporated (AAI) and appearing along keylocal highways, include messages such as: "Christianity: Sadistic God, Useless Savior" and "Mormonism: Magic Underwear, Baptizes Dead People, Big Money, Big Bigotry." AAI President David Silverman told FoxNews.com the signs are aimed at keeping religion and politics separate as the convention gets under way Sept. 3.
Good thing we don't have to see obnoxious Atheistic proselytization unless we go out of our way and choose to. ;/
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/22/signs-attack-religion-ahead-democratic-convention/
Good thing we don't have to see obnoxious Atheistic proselytization unless we go out of our way and choose to. ;/
You can find obnoxious proselytization of many stripes out in the world. Also if thats a thinly veiled poke at me I never said you only had to worry about being bugged by atheists if you chose to.
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American Atheists Incorporated
The United Atheists Alliance and the Unified Atheists League launched lawsuits against American Atheists Incorporated for infringement upon the organizational structure and market share of the Atheist community.
The Allied Atheists Alliance, however, have mounted a cavalry charge on their ostriches and have vowed to eat AAI's brains from their tummies.
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I highly resent anyone telling me what is or isn't "out there" :mad:
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/22/signs-attack-religion-ahead-democratic-convention/
Good thing we don't have to see obnoxious Atheistic proselytization unless we go out of our way and choose to. ;/
Organized atheism is a religion in itself.
And as long as they stay the *expletive deleted*ck off my lawn I don't care. Door to door atheists get yelled at just the same as Mormons JW's and anyone else not bearing mother *expletive deleted*ing thin mints.
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And as long as they stay the *expletive deleted* off my lawn I don't care. Door to door atheists get yelled at just the same as Mormons JW's and anyone else not bearing mother *expletive deleted* thin mints.
If JWs start bearing Thin Mints, you are hosed. :rofl:
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If JWs start bearing Thin Mints, you are hosed. :rofl:
For a lifetime supply of those, I will gladly give up blood transfusions.
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I highly resent anyone telling me what is or isn't "out there" :mad:
Lighten up, Francis.
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Girl Scouts = cookies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zH5jRHkXXQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zH5jRHkXXQ)
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I don't want any GS cookies, either :P
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Organized atheism is a religion in itself.
And as long as they stay the *expletive deleted* off my lawn I don't care. Door to door atheists get yelled at just the same as Mormons JW's and anyone else not bearing mother *expletive deleted* thin mints.
THANK YOU! It's a pretty obviously true statement, but it's amazing how often folks get pissy when you point it out.
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THANK YOU! It's a pretty obviously true statement, but it's amazing how often folks get pissy when you point it out.
I'm an atheist and atheists piss me off.
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I have a lovely Mormon family next to me.
In a few weeks, I'll have another Mormon family living in the townhouse on the otherside.
I'm the Methodist meat in a Mormon sammich.
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I have a lovely Mormon family next to me.
In a few weeks, I'll have another Mormon family living in the townhouse on the otherside.
I'm the Methodist meat in a Mormon sammich.
sammich. :police: What is this "internet speak?" It's sandwich.
S-A-N-D-W-I-C-H. :police:
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I have a lovely Mormon family next to me.
In a few weeks, I'll have another Mormon family living in the townhouse on the otherside.
I'm the Methodist meat in a Mormon sammich.
A Baptist friend of mine was courted by a couple Mormon sisters at the same time. It broke up when he decided he really didn't want to see the inside of the inside of the temple.
From a practical and theological point of view, what the gals were doing makes sense.
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I saw several "Help for Polygamists" billboards in Utah last week. Didn't know that was something to get help for. :P =D
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I saw several "Help for Polygamists" billboards in Utah last week. Didn't know that was something to get help for. :P =D
Imagine having several wives pissed off at you at one time.
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Imagine having several wives pissed off at you at one time.
Buzzkill.
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I have a lovely Mormon family next to me.
In a few weeks, I'll have another Mormon family living in the townhouse on the otherside.
I'm the Methodist meat in a Mormon sammich.
Worst. Porno. Plot. Ever.
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Worst. Porno. Plot. Ever.
Would it help if the JWs come a-knockin' while the house is a-rockin'?