Buck Shot

[MechAg94]

 Remington 12ga #4 Buckshot Ballistics Gel Test - Best Home Defense Load? 🇺🇸
Mrgunsngear Channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6cmGHz-4O4

I saw a comment that Mrgunsngear had a gel test for #4 buck on his channel.  Found this one.  About halfway into the video, you can see the gel block.  Looks like no shot went all the way through the block.  The shot is smaller, but that is a lot of wound tracks.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNb2uvezzx0
Federal #1 buck with flight control wad.

A good demonstration of why people like 12 gauge for home defense. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_33USEwWA0
Patterning with a Mossberg Shockwave 590.  Better than I expected.

[Bogie]

So, the news has a story on right now about a psycho escaping from a transport, and it happened a half mile from your house!
 
Now... you have the choice between a .32 that holds 9 shots, and a .25 with a frickin' gigglestick and da switch...

[AmbulanceDriver]

I run 00 federal flite control in my HD 870. 6 rounds of that and the last round in the pipe is a 3" magnum slug. Side saddle carries 5 more 00 and another slug. I really like how the buck patterns out of my 870 with the flite control wad and unless there's a really compelling reason I likely won't switch to the #1 buck.

[bedlamite]

Had a discussion the other day about what would be best for drones after watching Ukraine videos. We figured 4 buck would probably have the best combination of range, shot pattern, and power.

[Bogie]

https://youtu.be/a1F-MQ80IS4?si=aoh9AVtVmCWMapNQ

[Tuco]

Had a discussion the other day about what would be best for drones after watching Ukraine videos. We figured 4 buck would probably have the best combination of range, shot pattern, and power.

I'll stick with #4 birdshot for non-military UAVs.  Denser patterns.

[Ben]

I'll stick with #4 birdshot for non-military UAVs.  Denser patterns.

Likely the better choice for anything within shotgun range. FPV drones are pretty darn fragile.

[K Frame]

No. 4 buck has been my round of choice for home defense since I bought my home in 1993.

27 .24-caliber pellets is going to ruin the hell out of someone's day at household distance.

If I do ever need something heavier, there's the 5 rounds of 00 buck in the carrier. It's not the standard load, it's got an extra layer of 00 pellets, for a total payload of 12. Done with a roll crimp and card overwad.

[bedlamite]

Timing how long it takes for grenades to drop in Ukraine, they are 150-200 ft up. Even #2 birdshot is a little weak at that altitude.

[Ben]

Timing how long it takes for grenades to drop in Ukraine, they are 150-200 ft up. Even #2 birdshot is a little weak at that altitude.

Certainly distance plays a large part. While some guys might, I don't take shots at geese at more than 50 yards with BB. I'm kinda curious if anybody on the youtubes has bought a bundle of the $25 drones on Amazon and tried to shoot them down at various altitudes/speeds with different shotgun loads. If they haven't, maybe Garand Thumb should. It sounds like "science" right up his alley. I know he's done one where they were hunted by a drone, but I don't think they shot back, because it was an expensive drone.

[MechAg94]

Certainly distance plays a large part. While some guys might, I don't take shots at geese at more than 50 yards with BB. I'm kinda curious if anybody on the youtubes has bought a bundle of the $25 drones on Amazon and tried to shoot them down at various altitudes/speeds with different shotgun loads. If they haven't, maybe Garand Thumb should. It sounds like "science" right up his alley. I know he's done one where they were hunted by a drone, but I don't think they shot back, because it was an expensive drone.

Irangetv did a video, but mentioned some legal issues with doing that.  I think it was around being licensed to fly drones rather than shooting at them. 

My thought is something on the order of a goose gun with shot meant for longer range.  I was thinking some 3" heavy tungsten shot or whatever is similar. 

[MechAg94]

So, the news has a story on right now about a psycho escaping from a transport, and it happened a half mile from your house!
 
Now... you have the choice between a .32 that holds 9 shots, and a .25 with a frickin' gigglestick and da switch...

My issue with that analogy is normal name-brand 12 gauge has a good bit higher velocity than 32 acp or 25 acp.  1200 to 1300 FPS is normal.  over 1100 FPS for the cheaper stuff.  I thought both of those pistol calibers were under 1000 FPS.

Edit to add:  Wiki says up to 900 FPS for 25 acp and up to 1100 FPS for 32 acp.

IMO, the benefit or trauma is 9 or 20 pellets hitting the target at the same time making separate would tracks (or one big ragged hole at short range). 

[dogmush]

I'll stick with #4 birdshot for non-military UAVs.  Denser patterns.

Military drones for use at the "Infantryman" level are not physically hardened much more than a DJI drone.  For anyone planning on being a partisan.

[WLJ]

[Ben]

Military drones for use at the "Infantryman" level are not physically hardened much more than a DJI drone.  For anyone planning on being a partisan.

Hence gaffer's tape is part of the field kit for at least the RQ-11s and RQ-20s. 

Though with their EOIRs, they can get what they need and do their smoke and target painting at well out of resistance fighter range. And with something like a Switchblade, I reckon by the time you see it, it's moving too fast for you to do anything about it.