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Title: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: MillCreek on May 03, 2016, 09:02:22 PM
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/ted-cruz-drops-out-of-presidential-race-222763

As soon as the Indiana results came in, he ended his campaign.

Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: charby on May 03, 2016, 09:18:09 PM
I'm going wtf with my mouth agape.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: lee n. field on May 03, 2016, 09:19:05 PM
we're screwed
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Andiron on May 03, 2016, 09:24:40 PM
we're screwed

Ayup.

Well *expletive deleted*ck us.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on May 03, 2016, 09:39:18 PM
He shouldn't have made that deal with Kasich and he got screwed by Colorado (which wasn't his fault, but still) Both those things ended up making people really dislike him.

*sigh* I really don't want Trump for President.  =(
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: charby on May 03, 2016, 09:39:56 PM
we're screwed
we we're already screwed, just not getting dinner first.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: RevDisk on May 03, 2016, 10:16:51 PM

Between Trump and Clinton? Yeah, we're hosed either way.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 03, 2016, 10:37:29 PM
Haven't really been a Trump supporter. I was more or less on Cruz's side based mostly on his creds as a constitutionalist but Cruz and Kasich teaming up pretty well knocked the shine off that deal for me.

If it comes down to it I'll vote for Trump more as a hell not vote for Hillary than a vote FOR trump but I still think he would be better for the country over all.

At best the country is still in an unrecoverable death spiral, Trump might be able to stretch out the glide path a little further.
On the other hand him getting elected may force the hand of the La Raza/BLM/FSA crowd to show their true colors and light the fire.

Either way I'm close to the point I don't care anymore.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 03, 2016, 10:52:56 PM
Haven't really been a Trump supporter. I was more or less on Cruz's side based mostly on his creds as a constitutionalist but Cruz and Kasich teaming up pretty well knocked the shine off that deal for me.


I still want someone to explain how that in any way made Cruz look like a bad guy.
Title: Re:
Post by: makattak on May 03, 2016, 10:56:35 PM
Heaven help us... we're getting the choices we deserve.

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Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: French G. on May 03, 2016, 11:25:04 PM

At best the country is still in an unrecoverable death spiral, Trump might be able to stretch out the glide path a little further.
On the other hand him getting elected may force the hand of the La Raza/BLM/FSA crowd to show their true colors and light the fire.

Either way I'm close to the point I don't care anymore.


Might be what we need, get the silent majority to stop being silent and send the children to their rooms. Less than 5% of the population has hijacked the country because they scream the loudest.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: sumpnz on May 03, 2016, 11:40:46 PM
SMOD 2016.  It will solve eliminate ALL our problems.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Boomhauer on May 03, 2016, 11:42:37 PM
Well

*expletive deleted*it.

Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: TommyGunn on May 04, 2016, 12:54:49 AM
He shouldn't have made that deal with Kasich and he got screwed by Colorado (which wasn't his fault, but still) Both those things ended up making people really dislike him.

*sigh* I really don't want Trump for President.  =(

Well, then vote for Hillary.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 04, 2016, 01:18:44 AM
I guess no one's surprised. Republicans will no longer accept a conservative Republican candidate.

Another "hold your nose and vote" election season, with all its attendant intra-conservative bickering.  ;/
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 04, 2016, 03:03:21 AM
At this point I'm just looking forward to the.riots at.the GOP convention. I've laid in extra stores of popcorn.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: erictank on May 04, 2016, 07:15:27 AM
He shouldn't have made that deal with Kasich and he got screwed by Colorado (which wasn't his fault, but still) Both those things ended up making people really dislike him.

*sigh* I really don't want Trump for President.  =(

Good, because it'll be Hillary.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: freakazoid on May 04, 2016, 08:31:11 AM
"Former Speaker John Boehner called Cruz “Lucifer in the flesh.”"

What? :lol:
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: lee n. field on May 04, 2016, 08:40:47 AM
Haven't really been a Trump supporter. I was more or less on Cruz's side based mostly on his creds as a constitutionalist but Cruz and Kasich teaming up pretty well knocked the shine off that deal for me.

If it comes down to it I'll vote for Trump more as a hell not vote for Hillary than a vote FOR trump but I still think he would be better for the country over all.

At best the country is still in an unrecoverable death spiral, Trump might be able to stretch out the glide path a little further.

I had Cruz pictured as being that speed bump on the way to the abyss.

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On the other hand him getting elected may force the hand of the La Raza/BLM/FSA crowd to show their true colors and light the fire.

Either way I'm close to the point I don't care anymore.


Oh, I care.  Grandkids and all that.


Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: HeroHog on May 04, 2016, 08:44:13 AM
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: charby on May 04, 2016, 08:49:23 AM
Might be what we need, get the silent majority to stop being silent and send the children to their rooms. Less than 5% of the population has hijacked the country because they scream the loudest.
Naw, they are too lazy to do anything other than bitch and moan about the results.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Fitz on May 04, 2016, 09:27:29 AM
  • Republicans needed a swift kick in the ass for being the wimpy RHINOs they have been for the last decade or more.
  • Trump is as big a flip flopping "say whatever it takes to get elected" ass as Comrade Klinton.
  • If I had another VIABLE choice that wasn't Comrade Klinton or Trump I would vote for them.
  • Not voting or voting for a third party candidate is just putting Comrade Klinton one step closer to the White House.
  • I want to vote Libertarian so bad it hurts but see the point above.
  • Last but not least, don't you want to see all those celebrities like Whoopi leave for Canada if Trump get's elected? I mean, come on, that alone will help make America great again!
You do realize that libertarian leaning people holding their nose is just incentive for the GOP to continue to put f *expletive deleted*faces in front of us, right?

Look where it got us with the last guy?




I'm done rewarding the Republican party with a vote they didn't earn. They can change, or they can keep losing. At this point, "stretching the glide path" is *expletive deleted*ed.

My flight instructor said that's how people stall, spin, and die.

Best to let the crash happen and recover. *expletive deleted*ck trump, and *expletive deleted*ck anyone who gives me *expletive deleted*it for "throwing my vote away"
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Scout26 on May 04, 2016, 09:31:16 AM
  • I want to vote Libertarian so bad it hurts but see the point above.

I'm not bothered in the least.  Many folks (especially here) have advocated for dumping those of us who are considered "socially conservative" from the party.  Congrats.  You get you wish.  I too shall be pulling the "L" lever this November.   Let me know how that works out for ya....
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: HeroHog on May 04, 2016, 09:41:55 AM
Trust me, if there was ever an election where I was seriously on the fence about voting against the evil I want the least and making a "flip the table and trash the house vote," this is the one. I still may change my mind. I'm starting to see the 1776 solution as an option the way things are headed as it is...
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Fitz on May 04, 2016, 09:43:04 AM
Trust me, if there was ever an election where I was seriously on the fence about voting against the evil I want the least and making a "flip the table and trash the house vote," this is the one. I still may change my mind. I'm starting to see the 1776 solution as an option the way things are headed as it is...

A libertarian vote can make a positive change. If the libertarians are well into double digits this time around, it may cause people to re-evaluate.

Or, the GOP continues its slow decline and is replaced

Or, we pull the band aid off, and the collapse and balkanization just goes ahead and happens, without the agonizing slow sink
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: MechAg94 on May 04, 2016, 09:58:17 AM
You do realize that libertarian leaning people holding their nose is just incentive for the GOP to continue to put f *expletive deleted*faces in front of us, right?

Look where it got us with the last guy?




I'm done rewarding the Republican party with a vote they didn't earn. They can change, or they can keep losing. At this point, "stretching the glide path" is *expletive deleted*ed.

My flight instructor said that's how people stall, spin, and die.

Best to let the crash happen and recover. *expletive deleted*ck trump, and *expletive deleted*ck anyone who gives me *expletive deleted*it for "throwing my vote away"
This is 2016.  Not 2008 or 2012.  The presumptive nominee maybe be a hack, but he is not a GOP selected hack.  Neither was 2nd place guy.  It wasn't the GOP core voters that got him the delegates he has.  If you are going to bitch about the outcome, at least bitch accurately.   =D
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Fitz on May 04, 2016, 10:19:30 AM
This is 2016.  Not 2008 or 2012.  The presumptive nominee maybe be a hack, but he is not a GOP selected hack.  Neither was 2nd place guy.  It wasn't the GOP core voters that got him the delegates he has.  If you are going to bitch about the outcome, at least bitch accurately.   =D

When I say GOP, i'm including the voters. I'm including the rampant amount of people that voted for a big government liberal based on rhetoric and "HE SAYS WHATS ON HIS MIND AND DOESNT LIKE DEM ILLEGALZ!"
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: MechAg94 on May 04, 2016, 10:30:32 AM
When I say GOP, i'm including the voters. I'm including the rampant amount of people that voted for a big government liberal based on rhetoric and "HE SAYS WHATS ON HIS MIND AND DOESNT LIKE DEM ILLEGALZ!"
But you used the same language used last time when the race and outcome are decidedly different this time.  You can't say the voters weren't actually trying for a change.  Outsider candidates were leading once the race got serious.  If it was the same as 2008 and 2012, Bush would be the nominee.  The end result might be the same a few years from now, but you can't say voters weren't trying for something different. 
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Fitz on May 04, 2016, 10:42:37 AM
But you used the same language used last time when the race and outcome are decidedly different this time.  You can't say the voters weren't actually trying for a change.  Outsider candidates were leading once the race got serious.  If it was the same as 2008 and 2012, Bush would be the nominee.  The end result might be the same a few years from now, but you can't say voters weren't trying for something different. 

 The only difference is, in their desperation for change, they are voting for a big government liberal


 I can't really apply to change when the change involves kicking yourself in the balls


 And trust me, the complaining will be the same as last time "those damn libertarians won't vote for who we nominated!"
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: roo_ster on May 04, 2016, 10:43:16 AM
I guess no one's surprised. Republicans will no longer accept a conservative Republican candidate.

Another "hold your nose and vote" election season, with all its attendant intra-conservative bickering.  ;/

What is this "no longer accept a conservative Republican candidate" mess you write of?  There has not been a solidly conservative POTUS candidate from the GOP in decades.  Go on down the list:
RomneyCare author
McCain of the open border
GWB x2, the compassionate, not solid conservative
Dole, GOPe incarnate
GHWB, of "kinder, gentler" fame
Reagan, who might qualify, but in retrospect was not as conservative as his fanbois say.
Chevy Chase, the comedian that played at being a presidential candidate (Ford)
Nixon of EPA fame
Goldwater, who in 1964 I would say qualified as a sold conservative.

2016-1964=52 years

And the candidates before Goldwater were not conservatives until you go back to Calvin Coolidge in 1923.


I still want someone to explain how that in any way made Cruz look like a bad guy.

It was the Kasich/Fiorina tandem body blow to Cruz's credibility.  Kasich was GOPe embodied, a ­¡JEB! clone.  Fiorina was not better, especially since her position on the national question, immigration, placed her square in Obama/Hillary territory of open borders for all.

Kasich was a bad alliance, indicating Cruz was a GOPe cat's paw.  Fiorina showed he was lying about his immigration conversion.

A libertarian vote can make a positive change.

In what universe?  There is no large constituency for what the Libertarians are selling outside Objectivist clubs (http://www.oclubs.org/).

Tell me again what two issues essentially made Trump?  Immigration & trade.  The Libertarians are on the unpopular side of both issues.  And Libertarians were handmaidens of the politically correct World War G and World War T, which did not make them any so-con friends.  "Our list of allies grows thin..."  Yep, especially after the Libertarians kick them in the jimmy, repeatedly.

Let us face it, the Libertarian Party is to politics what masturbation is to sex: a pathetic, solitary, and self-pleasuring act destined never to bear fruit.

I'm not bothered in the least.  Many folks (especially here) have advocated for dumping those of us who are considered "socially conservative" from the party.  Congrats.  You get you wish.  I too shall be pulling the "L" lever this November.   Let me know how that works out for ya....

The Libertarians tossed the so-cons to the sharks long ago, around about GWB's first term.  They blow as a protest vote for a so-con.  The Constitution Party is much friendlier to so-cons:
http://www.constitutionparty.com/
http://www.constitutionparty.com/our-principles/seven-principles/

When I say GOP, i'm including the voters. I'm including the rampant amount of people that voted for a big government liberal based on rhetoric and "HE SAYS WHATS ON HIS MIND AND DOESNT LIKE DEM ILLEGALZ!"

OK, well, the CAPZ! and creative spelling convinced me.  Sign me up for the Libertarian Party.




Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Fitz on May 04, 2016, 10:46:04 AM
Interesting that libertarianism is worthless, until after the GOP loses an election and then suddenly they're  the voting block that caused the loss.

 You can justify voting for a big government liberal all you want, I won't do it

If it makes you feel better to believe otherwise about Trump, you're entitled to that belief
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Balog on May 04, 2016, 10:53:55 AM
Interesting that libertarianism is worthless, until after the GOP loses an election and then suddenly they're  the voting block that caused the loss.

 You can justify voting for a big government liberal all you want, I won't do it

If it makes you feel better to believe otherwise about Trump, you're entitled to that belief

You can call the Libertarians useless, and still not vote for Trump.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Fitz on May 04, 2016, 10:54:49 AM
You can call the Libertarians useless, and still not vote for Trump.

I was alluding to all the screaming after mitt lost about how the libertarians spoiled the election, same with the Virginia governor's race
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Balog on May 04, 2016, 11:04:33 AM
I was alluding to all the screaming after mitt lost about how the libertarians spoiled the election, same with the Virginia governor's race

It has been hilarious in a "eat at Arby's" kind of way to see all the establishment shills who screamed the loudest about the need for folks like us to vote for Mitt/McCain/GW etc etc etc now throwing a shtfit and pledging #neverTrump.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Ben on May 04, 2016, 11:21:57 AM
You can call the Libertarians useless, and still not vote for Trump.

I've been thinking that it's not libertarian, or third party, but total votes not going to Rs or Ds. What has the average percentage been that's gone "off the reservation" in the last couple of decades? Maybe 5-10% total? I'd be curious what the fallout would be if the numbers this year were around 33r/33d/33 third party, write-in, etc. Whether it's Trump or Clinton winning, they'd be going into office with 2/3 of the country against them.

It could be a wake-up call for both Rs and Ds. I can't recall what the fallout was when Ross Perot got his 19% in '92. It was apparently the highest third party percentage in nearly 100 years.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Pb on May 04, 2016, 12:04:36 PM
I hope the Trump voters enjoy President Hillary.

Oh not really.  I hope they regret their vote every second of her 4+ years in office.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: TechMan on May 04, 2016, 12:17:36 PM
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Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 04, 2016, 12:38:40 PM
I've always heard it was us evangelicals that are to blame for 2012. (I wrote in another candidate, but not for religious reasons.)

I've googled this "eat at Arby's" thing, but to no avail. I see there is a nihilist Arby's thing going around, but it doesn't seem to apply.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on May 04, 2016, 12:41:29 PM
I had Cruz pictured as being that speed bump on the way to the abyss.

Oh, I care.  Grandkids and all that.
Yea if I didn't have kids I would head into the woods and wait
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 04, 2016, 12:56:41 PM
  • Last but not least, don't you want to see all those celebrities like Whoopi leave for Canada if Trump get's elected? I mean, come on, that alone will help make America great again!

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Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 04, 2016, 01:08:49 PM
It has been hilarious in a "eat at Arby's" kind of way to see all the establishment shills who screamed the loudest about the need for folks like us to vote for Mitt/McCain/GW etc etc etc now throwing a shtfit and pledging #neverTrump.

To me it has been more than mildly amusing to have been receiving hundreds of e-mails from the GOP national office, from Cruz's campaign, from Kasich's campaign, and from other R-affiliated groups ALL calling for party unity in the fight to defeat Hillary, yet now that there is a clearly identified candidate around/behind to unify ... I'm still seeing the GOP apparatus continuing with the #neverTrump rhetoric.

I guess I gave up my principles some time ago, because I won't have any problem checking the box for whoever is running against Hillary. A couple of decades ago I vowed not to cast any more "against" votes, and I've been pretty true to that. This year is the exception. Trump may be an unknown, but Hillary is a known, and what's known about her is all I need to know to know that I have to vote for whoever is running against her.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: roo_ster on May 04, 2016, 01:28:36 PM
Interesting that libertarianism is worthless, until after the GOP loses an election and then suddenly they're  the voting block that caused the loss.

 You can justify voting for a big government liberal all you want, I won't do it

If it makes you feel better to believe otherwise about Trump, you're entitled to that belief

The Libertarian Party is _practically_ worthless.  It still has some value as a (philosophy of) consolation club for some and as a whipping boy for others.

You're gonna have to be a bit more specific, as every candidate who spent time on the debate stage--for both parties--was a big gov't liberal.  To include Rand Paul and Ted Cruz.  If you voted for anyone on the GOP or Dem POTUS primary ballot, you already voted for a big gov't liberal.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: RocketMan on May 04, 2016, 06:07:44 PM
And Kasich is out. Suspended his campaign late this afternoon.  Unless there are serious shenanigans at the GOP convention, it will be Trump vs. HRC in the general.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: MechAg94 on May 04, 2016, 07:16:44 PM
To me it has been more than mildly amusing to have been receiving hundreds of e-mails from the GOP national office, from Cruz's campaign, from Kasich's campaign, and from other R-affiliated groups ALL calling for party unity in the fight to defeat Hillary, yet now that there is a clearly identified candidate around/behind to unify ... I'm still seeing the GOP apparatus continuing with the #neverTrump rhetoric.

I guess I gave up my principles some time ago, because I won't have any problem checking the box for whoever is running against Hillary. A couple of decades ago I vowed not to cast any more "against" votes, and I've been pretty true to that. This year is the exception. Trump may be an unknown, but Hillary is a known, and what's known about her is all I need to know to know that I have to vote for whoever is running against her.
Yeah, call it what you want, but I don't want Hilary in the White House.  You just think Obama was anti-gun.  I think she takes it a bit further.  I'll vote my gun rights if nothing else.

IMO, I am afraid that Trump's worst enemy might be the belligerent Trump supporters who seem to think this election is some sort of sports tournament and everyone who lost has to stay home.  They may not understand that they might need Cruz supporters to vote for their guy in November.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: MechAg94 on May 04, 2016, 07:22:41 PM
I've always heard it was us evangelicals that are to blame for 2012. (I wrote in another candidate, but not for religious reasons.)

I've googled this "eat at Arby's" thing, but to no avail. I see there is a nihilist Arby's thing going around, but it doesn't seem to apply.
The 'blame the libertarians' angle was just an easily identifiable target they didn't like.  Two things stick out in my mind:

1.  Romney was just a weak candidate who was so liberal he couldn't present a distinct alternative to Obama and he was unable to act conservative.

2.  The Republican Establishment seems to be completely incapable of throwing a bone to the various groups that vote Republican to keep their support.  The Democrat Party is made up of dozens of different groups and they manage to appease most of them to get their support.  Why the Republican can't seem to grasp that strategy is beyond me.  Letting Ron Paul participate in the convention would have helped.  Not sure it would overcome #1.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: MechAg94 on May 04, 2016, 07:26:53 PM
Interesting that libertarianism is worthless, until after the GOP loses an election and then suddenly they're  the voting block that caused the loss.

 You can justify voting for a big government liberal all you want, I won't do it

If it makes you feel better to believe otherwise about Trump, you're entitled to that belief
And that is where I start disagreeing.  I don't like the All or Nothing thinking.  There are no perfect candidates.  Staying home until a perfect candidate shows up will mean you will always stay home.  If Reagan were running, he would probably be considered a well spoken big govt, liberal Republican.  If you think you have a perfect candidate, you probably just don't know him well enough. 
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Fitz on May 04, 2016, 07:35:45 PM
And that is where I start disagreeing.  I don't like the All or Nothing thinking.  There are no perfect candidates.  Staying home until a perfect candidate shows up will mean you will always stay home.  If Reagan were running, he would probably be considered a well spoken big govt, liberal Republican.  If you think you have a perfect candidate, you probably just don't know him well enough. 

I never said I was staying home
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Scout26 on May 04, 2016, 10:41:46 PM
And that is where I start disagreeing.  I don't like the All or Nothing thinking.  There are no perfect candidates.  Staying home until a perfect candidate shows up will mean you will always stay home.  If Reagan were running, he would probably be considered a well spoken big govt, liberal Republican.  If you think you have a perfect candidate, you probably just don't know him well enough.  

Which is why I supported Ted Cruz.  To expand upon what Larry Correia posted on FB yesterday:

Quote
Well, we're boned. It's going to be huckster fraud democrat against lying criminal democrat.

Half the GOP hates the jackass. Question now is what percentage of us stay home or make a 3rd party protest vote. All those crossover democrats who voted for that orange half wit in the primaries will go back to voting democrat in the general election. He thinks young Bernie voters are going to vote for him? Fool.

I've voted republican in every election of my adult life. I've volunteered and donated money. I can't in good conscience vote for this vile populist demagogue. If even a few percentage points of the GOP feels the same way, that's it. He's toast in the general.

So he energizes the democrats, so they'll feel like they are fighting tyranny (now comes the great part where all the fawning media coverage turns on him) and he demotivates the republican base.

All the kid glove BS from this season is over. Every vile nasty stupid thing he has ever done will be covered 24/7. By November he will be the most laughed at and despised candidate in history. Because he makes it too easy.

So the classless boor probably loses to the sea hag. Not that it matters too much, since they'd both govern as authoritarian democrats, only one has more nationalist rah rah thrown in.

Spare me the nonsense about lesser evils and SCOTUS judges. He won't make it that far. And by some miracle, like Hillary has a stroke, this rambling ignoramus wins, he would still screw that up somehow in his one term. Big question is does he suck enough to take the GOP with him?

And if you think he is going to actually build a wall, you are a sucker.

Did I love Cruz? No. Because I was hiring an employee, not a god. He was the least likely to rape the Constitution. Instead we get an authoritarian, who is either lying, or made it to 70 before understanding basic American principles about liberty.

You ignorant low information bastards. Motivated by fear and anger, you overlooked every gain made over the last few cycles, and traded it in to a lying huckster democrat for some magic beans. So you could stick it to the establishment, by electing the *expletive deleted*it bird who funded them.

Edit to add, don't bother posting to argue. We are past that. Now we batten down the hatches and get ready for the suck. If you want to gloat, you are an idiot who doesn't realize what you have wrought. If you feel disrespected, good. You should.

Let point that out again:

Did I love Cruz? No. Because I was hiring an employee, not a god. He was the least likely to rape the Constitution.

That right there.  I want someone who understands the employee manual (aka the Constitution) and won't use his phone and pen to re-write the parts that he doesn't like and feels "constrains" him.   An employee who almost might get the other employees to follow the g-ddamn handbook, and perhaps get rid of some of the deadwood.   Was Ted perfect ?  Hell No.  Far from it in fact.  but he was (is) closest to what I want to see in a President this cycle, hell in fact in a long time.   I was NOT looking for a drinking buddy or bestest friend.  I wanted someone that would follow the rules that were laid down over 200 years ago.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Andiron on May 04, 2016, 11:00:27 PM


I guess I gave up my principles some time ago, because I won't have any problem checking the box for whoever is running against Hillary. A couple of decades ago I vowed not to cast any more "against" votes, and I've been pretty true to that. This year is the exception. Trump may be an unknown, but Hillary is a known, and what's known about her is all I need to know to know that I have to vote for whoever is running against her.

This,  well said.

No more Clintons.

(I'd have pulled a Sanders lever in a second against Trump as a general *expletive deleted*ck you gesture to the GOP for being dumb enough to run him)
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Balog on May 04, 2016, 11:15:27 PM
I've googled this "eat at Arby's" thing, but to no avail. I see there is a nihilist Arby's thing going around, but it doesn't seem to apply.

If nihilism is an appropriate response to anything it's this election cycle.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Balog on May 04, 2016, 11:21:00 PM
Yeah, call it what you want, but I don't want Hilary in the White House.  You just think Obama was anti-gun.  I think she takes it a bit further.  I'll vote my gun rights if nothing else.

IMO, I am afraid that Trump's worst enemy might be the belligerent Trump supporters who seem to think this election is some sort of sports tournament and everyone who lost has to stay home.  They may not understand that they might need Cruz supporters to vote for their guy in November.

House Republicans will resist anything Hillary tries to do about guns. But I think they'd support President Trump's "common sense reforms" after another Sandy Hook.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Balog on May 04, 2016, 11:23:21 PM
And that is where I start disagreeing.  I don't like the All or Nothing thinking.  There are no perfect candidates.  Staying home until a perfect candidate shows up will mean you will always stay home.  If Reagan were running, he would probably be considered a well spoken big govt, liberal Republican.  If you think you have a perfect candidate, you probably just don't know him well enough. 

Serious question: if it was a choice between Hillary and Bernie would you still feel that way? No perfect candidate, lesser of two evils etc.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: sumpnz on May 05, 2016, 12:25:37 AM
Which is why I supported Ted Cruz.  To expand upon what Larry Correia posted on FB yesterday:

Let point that out again:

Did I love Cruz? No. Because I was hiring an employee, not a god. He was the least likely to rape the Constitution.

That right there.  I want someone who understands the employee manual (aka the Constitution) and won't use his phone and pen to re-write the parts that he doesn't like and feels "constrains" him.   An employee who almost might get the other employees to follow the g-ddamn handbook, and perhaps get rid of some of the deadwood.   Was Ted perfect ?  Hell No.  Far from it in fact.  but he was (is) closest to what I want to see in a President this cycle, hell in fact in a long time.   I was looking for a drinking buddy or bestest friend.  I wanted someone that would follow the rules that were laid down over 200 years ago.

Pretty good summary of my opinions on the matter.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Fitz on May 05, 2016, 01:22:59 AM
Serious question: if it was a choice between Hillary and Bernie would you still feel that way? No perfect candidate, lesser of two evils etc.

Neither of them has an "R" next to their stuff on CSPAN.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas on May 05, 2016, 01:38:07 AM
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What is this "no longer accept a conservative Republican candidate" mess you write of?  There has not been a solidly conservative POTUS candidate from the GOP in decades.  Go on down the list:
RomneyCare author
McCain of the open border
GWB x2, the compassionate, not solid conservative
Dole, GOPe incarnate
GHWB, of "kinder, gentler" fame
Reagan, who might qualify, but in retrospect was not as conservative as his fanbois say.
Chevy Chase, the comedian that played at being a presidential candidate (Ford)
Nixon of EPA fame
Goldwater, who in 1964 I would say qualified as a sold conservative.

2016-1964=52 years

And the candidates before Goldwater were not conservatives until you go back to Calvin Coolidge in 1923.
Yeah. The Republican party is not a conservative party. It simply has a significant number of conservatives in it, but not significant enough to win primaries.

I doubt Cruz would've come this far if it weren't for Trump beating down the opposition.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 05, 2016, 01:45:09 AM
I doubt Cruz would've come this far if it weren't for Trump beating down the opposition.


I noticed he had that effect. I was hoping he'd fizzle out, after the field was ripe for Cruz. Oh well.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 05, 2016, 03:56:34 AM
I was just getting too much "Nehemiah Scudder" vibe off of Cruz and the longer he went the worse it got.
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: Ron on May 05, 2016, 06:16:55 AM
There certainly was nothing subtle about the way Cruz referenced his Christianity. I'm sure him and I share much regarding theology as well as political philosophy.

He has made a lot of the right stands over the years and is on the right side of a lot of the issues, generally.

Unfortunately he was just a terrible candidate for a national office. His references to God and faith were all aimed at preaching to the choir. In a post Christian world ignoring or alienating the sizable non-Christian block of voters is a losing strategy. He came off like Glen Beck to me on a few occasions, that's not presidential. Also a  US Senator whose married to a Goldman Sacks banker has a high bar to reach to have any authenticity as a populist.

Not that there was/is anything presidential about Trump. Trump has just had a more broad based appeal as a nationalist along with his populist rhetoric. Reality TV, casino's, TV "wrestling" and beauty pageants all give Trump a head start when identifying with "flyover country". 
    
Title: Re: Mr. Cruz officially drops out
Post by: roo_ster on May 05, 2016, 06:22:11 AM
I must say the ragequitty butthurt wave that went out over the internet the last 24 hours tickled my schadenfreud bone, especially after all the abuse heaped on trunp supporters with such condescention. 

I figure a goodly proportion will get over it soon enough when the sting is not so fresh and after they think with a bit more clarity on what made cruz unappealing even to a majority of socons and other conservative sorts in the gop primary.