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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: vaskidmark on February 09, 2014, 09:01:03 AM
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http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/buffalo-public-schools/associates-defend-man-who-had-gun-in-school-20140207
I am not going to give you a teaser because there are just too many to pick from. Read it and pick your favorite logical disconnect. (Right now I'm trying to decide between about six for which gets the grand prize.)
stay safe.
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He has a chance to stand up for what he believes in, all he has to do is plead guilty to all charges.
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Kharma is a female dog.
Be careful what you ask for, because you might get it. I have no sympathy for the man, and the people who are voicing their support are nothing but hypocrites. "We need laws against guns in schools -- unless, of course, the gun belongs to someone we like, then it's okay and we should ignore the law."
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Laws for thee, but not for me.
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This is the part I love. This part right here:
"...he called out to a Buffalo police lieutenant asking why the school was in lockdown, and that they were looking for a man with a gun.
Dwayne’s reaction was to get his kids – he had about 50 of them – and make sure they were safe,” Giles explained. “He led them into the cafeteria and closed the doors.”
followed by this:
Some of Ferguson’s supporters echoed similar criticism, saying that carrying a weapon meant Ferguson could have helped police in the event there was a gunman actually threatening students.
The concept of gun-free zones discredited and eviscerated in the most elegant fashion imaginable.
And unlike David Gregory, he won't get benefit of clergy press.
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Oh, and I like this comment:
Sounds like he'll do a lot of good, good work with prisoners while imprisoned. Good for him.
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Wow the hypocrisy couldn't be any more out there on full display.
Anyone else find it curious that this was kicked off by an anonymous tip?
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Anyone else find it curious that this was kicked off by an anonymous tip?
Nope. Snitches get stitches and wind up in ditches.
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Bleeping hypocrite.
Reminds me of that anti-gun columnist in Washington, D.C., (Carl Rowan?) who opened fire on a skinny dipper in his backyard pool - guns were still illegal then in D.C., as this happened years before Heller.
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http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/buffalo-public-schools/associates-defend-man-who-had-gun-in-school-20140207
I am not going to give you a teaser because there are just too many to pick from. Read it and pick your favorite logical disconnect. (Right now I'm trying to decide between about six for which gets the grand prize.)
stay safe.
Is the grand prize a headache? Cause I already got that.
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i wonder what he was carrying? if it was that comfortable, i may have to get one! :laugh:
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http://wivb.com/2014/02/07/reports-of-man-with-gun-near-elementary-school/
This article says that "the police will be increasing their presence at the school for the remainder of the week."
:laugh: So the answer to a guy with a gun is for more people with guns to drop by the school more often. I guess the NRA was right. Come to think of it, the first thing cops did when they found out there was a guy with an AR-15 at Sandy Hook, was to send more guys with AR-15s to the school.
Kind of a theme there.
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Wow the hypocrisy couldn't be any more out there on full display.
Anyone else find it curious that this was kicked off by an anonymous tip?
I bet it was one of his friends & supporters
If you're a newyorker and you need some pocket change? Turn in your neighbor to the local authorities and get some jingle in your pockets
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/14884-new-york-revives-tip-line-following-passage-of-anti-gun-safe-act
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I bet that a some point he realized that he was carrying and was hoping to be able to leave without being searched.
"Hey, I'm one good guys, you don't need to pat me down. I'm like a teacher here."
You help write the law, now you get to lose your 2A rights. I will not weep for you.
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You help write the law, now you get to lose your 2A rights. I will not weep for laugh at you.
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Wow... here's a bloody switch to reality: I agree with fistful!
Do they have a pill for this? Or an ointment, or something?
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Wow... here's a bloody switch to reality: I agree with fistful!
Do they have a pill for this? Or an ointment, or something?
No, but it hurts less with time.
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This article says that "the police will be increasing their presence at the school for the remainder of the week."
After that it's a green light for school shooters.
(G-d forbid!)
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I bet that a some point he realized that he was carrying and was hoping to be able to leave without being searched.
I think that at that point I'd try to ditch the gun, come back for it later.
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I think that at that point I'd try to ditch the gun, come back for it later.
Could be bad if the cops found it, and it was registered to his name.
BTW, throw the entire book at him.
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Ditch it in a school?
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Yeah, not many secure spots to ditch a gun that wouldn't come up in a search and wouldn't lead directly back to the owner.
Plus, NY CCL? Don't they register your guns, you and the specific gun you're allowed to carry?
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Yeah, not many secure spots to ditch a gun that wouldn't come up in a search and wouldn't lead directly back to the owner.
Plus, NY CCL? Don't they register your guns, you and the specific gun you're allowed to carry?
I'm sure the shop classroom has something that can nix serial numbers. =)
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Yeah, not many secure spots to ditch a gun that wouldn't come up in a search and wouldn't lead directly back to the owner.
Plus, NY CCL? Don't they register your guns, you and the specific gun you're allowed to carry?
Depends on how many nooks and crannies there are in the school, and that as an educator, or at least somebody they trust to ride herd on the kids, he may have access to more locations to hide it in than a visitor.
Where that would be, I don't know. As a comm guy I'd probably stuff it into a computer.
I'm sure the shop classroom has something that can nix serial numbers. =)
Not as easy as you might think. The stamping process leaves stress marks deep within the metal, easily readable with the right equipment.
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Not as easy as you might think. The stamping process leaves stress marks deep within the metal, easily readable with the right equipment.
Oxy-acetylene torch. Solving problems for over a century.
Any bets this little "oops" just fades away?
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Wonder who called.
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Yeah, not many secure spots to ditch a gun that wouldn't come up in a search and wouldn't lead directly back to the owner.
Plus, NY CCL? Don't they register your guns, you and the specific gun you're allowed to carry?
You may want to rethink that.
Among her many other talents the former future ex-wife twice (not once but twice!) brought carving knives into the juvie prison where she was a teacher.* As far as I know they have not been found yet, although a search (for both the knives and what pasased for her brain) was instituted as soon as what she had done was discovered.
Regular prison cell searches last no more than 5 minutes. With just a little thought you can find places to stash stuff that will make it past the level of scrutiny 5 minutes of looking offers.
Explosive-sniffer dogs usually cannot find a handgun unless it has been fired and not cleaned. They get all confused when cops wearing guns are also all over the place.
stay safe.
* - It's a long story. She (also against policy and good sense) brought home-made birthday cake for her little angels. The first time she took my good 16-inch carving knife to cut the cake. It "got lost" in her classroom. She waited 3 days to report it missing, hoping to be able to find it. 4 months later she took my best 12-inch chef's knife - but at least she reported it "missing" the next day. So far there have been no reports of any kid getting carved or diced. But I'll bet that the location of each of them has been passed from kid to kid over the years.
And no, you do not want to hear what happened to her professionally or personally. If you ever want to see an epic face-palm, see one done by a forensic psychologist - one with 15 years experience working with criminals. :O
stay safe.
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Depends on how many nooks and crannies there are in the school, and that as an educator, or at least somebody they trust to ride herd on the kids, he may have access to more locations to hide it in than a visitor.
I've filled gaps in worthwhile employment a few times as a school janitor. With a master key set and a few early AM hours with nothing better to do, (8 hour workload assumptions were based on the lazy evening staff; most nights I was done three hours into the shift.) you can find things the school has been searching for for decades.
One well-hidden closet had equipment in it that was lost in 1978 when they changed coaches.
Of course, I just quietly moved the stuff into the main storage area under a tarp, and waited for the amazed news that it had been right under their noses the whole time :) AFAIK, nobody else has discovered that closet since.
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I've filled gaps in worthwhile employment a few times as a school janitor. With a master key set and a few early AM hours with nothing better to do, (8 hour workload assumptions were based on the lazy evening staff; most nights I was done three hours into the shift.) you can find things the school has been searching for for decades.
One well-hidden closet had equipment in it that was lost in 1978 when they changed coaches.
Of course, I just quietly moved the stuff into the main storage area under a tarp, and waited for the amazed news that it had been right under their noses the whole time :) AFAIK, nobody else has discovered that closet since.
Couple of years ago my old school found a bunch of rifles stuffed away in a basement. From the good old days when boys were expected to learn how to shoot during school hours.
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Not as easy as you might think. The stamping process leaves stress marks deep within the metal, easily readable with the right equipment.
Just use a punch on the area, it physically displaces the metal and renders acid etching etc useless. Works on VIN numbers too.
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Just use a punch on the area, it physically displaces the metal and renders acid etching etc useless. Works on VIN numbers too.
Acid etching? I was thinking more crystal x-raying. If anything would work, it'd be the punch, because that's much the same way they get the marks there in the first place(at least for most firearms, I'm sure there's variations).
Still, there's a lot of assumtions here:
1. That the school in question is a High school or such and actually HAS a shop classroom
2. That he'd be able to make it to said area while the school is under lockdown(and he's in charge of a bunch of kids)
3. That he'd be able to think of that option in the brief period he has, under pressure, and not us under no pressure coming up with ideas
I still think my idea of ditching it somewhere remote would be the best bet. One 'good' idea would be above the ceiling tiles if it's a dropped ceiling. Preferably not visible to a cop simply popping a head up there.
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Still, there's a lot of assumtions here:
Nobody's assuming anything. We're just throwing out hypotheticals. It ain't all that serious.
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Nobody's assuming anything. We're just throwing out hypotheticals. It ain't all that serious.
He could have went into a math classroom and hid it in an assumed sphere.
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I still think my idea of ditching it somewhere remote would be the best bet. One 'good' idea would be above the ceiling tiles if it's a dropped ceiling. Preferably not visible to a cop simply popping a head up there.
If he was in the cafeteria area, and had access to the kitchen, there are usually a lot of possibilities in there. Just look for the dirtiest place to know what the lunchroom ladies don't clean. Dropped ceilings that I've seen in schools are full of fluff and lint unless they have a brand new network run. Bury it in that, and someone would pretty much have to take the whole ceiling apart to find it in a random search.
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Acid etching? I was thinking more crystal x-raying. If anything would work, it'd be the punch, because that's much the same way they get the marks there in the first place(at least for most firearms, I'm sure there's variations).
Still, there's a lot of assumtions here:
1. That the school in question is a High school or such and actually HAS a shop classroom
2. That he'd be able to make it to said area while the school is under lockdown(and he's in charge of a bunch of kids)
3. That he'd be able to think of that option in the brief period he has, under pressure, and not us under no pressure coming up with ideas
I still think my idea of ditching it somewhere remote would be the best bet. One 'good' idea would be above the ceiling tiles if it's a dropped ceiling. Preferably not visible to a cop simply popping a head up there.
Wasn't talking about the dude in the school, just on how to get rid of numbers stamped in metal.
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Could be bad if the cops found it, and it was registered to his name.
BTW, throw the entire book at him.
Good reason to carry a private purchase gun. $250-$500 lost by dumping it in a trash can or hiding it in a ceiling tile is far preferable than the legal costs if caught.
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I still think my idea of ditching it somewhere remote would be the best bet. One 'good' idea would be above the ceiling tiles if it's a dropped ceiling. Preferably not visible to a cop simply popping a head up there.
A drop ceiling does seem like a good hiding place. It's a perfectly obvious hiding spot, of course, but it's far too small an object in far too large a space to ever expect that it would be found.
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Any bets this little "oops" just fades away?
A gun in a school? I would imagine it will be unpleasant for him. I mean, he's not a journalist (like Dick Gregory), he's just little people.
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Yeah, not many secure spots to ditch a gun that wouldn't come up in a search and wouldn't lead directly back to the owner.
Plus, NY CCL? Don't they register your guns, you and the specific gun you're allowed to carry?
In a school?
I would've hidden it behind some books in a library.
Kids don't know how to use those anymore.
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In a school?
I would've hidden it behind some books in a library.
Kids don't know how to use those anymore.
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A drop ceiling does seem like a good hiding place. It's a perfectly obvious hiding spot, of course, but it's far too small an object in far too large a space to ever expect that it would be found.
That's the idea. You know they're going to look there, but it's a nasty environment, hopefully the presence of a gun is unconfirmed, and they're mostly going to be searching people. Plus there's normally all sorts of HVAC ducting up there, so if you can pop it on top of one of those, not even a metal detector will find it.
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That's the idea. You know they're going to look there, but it's a nasty environment, hopefully the presence of a gun is unconfirmed, and they're mostly going to be searching people. Plus there's normally all sorts of HVAC ducting up there, so if you can pop it on top of one of those, not even a metal detector will find it.
There's gonna be enough steel up there, a metal detector will be useless. Ducting, structure, electrical, lighting, speakers, steel screws and those twist-tie thingies in the ceiling grid (can't remember if the grid is ferrous), etc.
Even if it were a nice, clean environment, it's dark, and any school with drop ceiling is probably going to have acres of it. If you knew there was a gun in one or two particular rooms, you could find it eventually. If you merely suspect there's a gun somewhere in the school, forget it...
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But you have to clean up if you stash something in a drop ceiling. Push up the ceiling tile and you have little tidbits of insulation all over the floor underneath. Sweep it up or it's obvious somebody just opened that ceiling tile.
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But you have to clean up if you stash something in a drop ceiling. Push up the ceiling tile and you have little tidbits of insulation all over the floor underneath. Sweep it up or it's obvious somebody just opened that ceiling tile.
I pop ceiling tiles up all the time, if the floor's dirty you won't notice the difference, if it's clean a quick swipe will generally fix it. I'd be more worried about getting myself dirty.
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But you have to clean up if you stash something in a drop ceiling. Push up the ceiling tile and you have little tidbits of insulation all over the floor underneath. Sweep it up or it's obvious somebody just opened that ceiling tile.
Depends. In a room with a dark, or brightly-colored carpet, they might notice it. In a room with a light-colored floor, not so much. And again, if we're talking about a large building, and no tip as to a specific room or rooms, who's gonna notice a bit of a mess on the floor in one room?
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Perhaps we should stop speculating on:
A) How to hide a gun in a school, and
B) How obilterate the serial # on a gun,
As both actions are illegal.
Thanks,
The Mgmnt.
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Perhaps we should stop speculating on:
A) How to hide a gun in a school, and
B) How obilterate the serial # on a gun,
As both actions are illegal.
Thanks,
The Mgmnt.
But we hadn't even gotten into the REALLY interesting places to hide stuff.
You know.
The butthole kind.
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Last I checked, hiding a gun in your butthole is not a crime, so speculate all you want !!!!
[barf] [barf]
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But we hadn't even gotten into the REALLY interesting places to hide stuff.
You know.
The butthole kind.
Another very good reason not to buy a Hi-Point 45.
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Wasn't there a story a while back about a man who managed to somehow stuff a full-sized .38 Special up his poop chute? :O
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Last I checked, hiding a gun in your butthole is not a crime, so speculate all you want !!!!
[barf] [barf]
It would be if you were in a school at the time...
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Wasn't there a story a while back about a man who managed to somehow stuff a full-sized .38 Special up his poop chuteshoot? :O
FTFY
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Perhaps we should stop speculating on:
A) How to hide a gun in a school, and
B) How obilterate the serial # on a gun,
As both actions are illegal.
Thanks,
The Mgmnt.
I think it would be helpful to point out that no one here is advocating either of these things. There is a big difference.
We often speculate about taking guns to schools, teachers and parents having guns at schools, and rocking loaded machine guns on Pennsylvania Avenue.* All of which are also illegal (in most states). Should we stop speculating on those as well?
*Well, probably no one here has actually said that, but most of us think folk should be free to do it.
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There's a fine line between saying "We should change the law to allow X." and "Here's some ways to do X, which just so happens to be illegal."
APS does not advocate breaking the law.
Saying "CCW carriers and Teachers should be allowed to carry in schools because L, M, N, O and P." Good to go.
Saying "Here's how to hide the firearm you illegally brought into the school; Q, R, and S." No go.
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OK, but we still did not advocate breaking the law. I understand how it could look bad from a PR perspective, which is why I wanted to point out that we did not advocate breaking the law.