Oklahoma botches double execution. Crap.

[RoadKingLarry]

Well, this won't bode well for continued death penalaties in Oklahoma.

http://www.newson6.com/story/25384453/execution-fails-on-oklahoma-man

[MillCreek]

So either his vein failed or the chemicals extravasated into the muscle tissue where they were slowly absorbed by the body, as opposed to the much quicker effect had they made it to the circulation.  Potassium chloride, which is used to stop the heart, burns terribly if it leaks outside of the blood vessel.  And the drugs used to render him unconscious (midazolam) and to paralyze him and stop his breathing (pancuronium bromide) also were slowly absorbed.  There is a pretty good chance that he was in terrible pain, partially or completely paralyzed and not unconscious when enough of the potassium chloride was absorbed to give him a heart attack. 

There are many people who will say that he got what he deserved, and his crime was horrendous and not deserving of mercy.  But if the State is going to execute people on my behalf, I ask that it be done quickly and humanely. 

[lupinus]

So either his vein failed or the chemicals extravasated into the muscle tissue where they were slowly absorbed by the body, as opposed to the much quicker effect had they made it to the circulation.  Potassium chloride, which is used to stop the heart, burns terribly if it leaks outside of the blood vessel.  And the drugs used to render him unconscious (midazolam) and to paralyze him and stop his breathing (pancuronium bromide) also were slowly absorbed.  There is a pretty good chance that he was in terrible pain, partially or completely paralyzed and not unconscious when enough of the potassium chloride was absorbed to give him a heart attack. 

There are many people who will say that he got what he deserved, and his crime was horrendous and not deserving of mercy.  But if the State is going to execute people on my behalf, I ask that it be done quickly and humanely. 

which brings me back to just put a bullet in their head. Hell, you could rig it up just about the same as they do now just with a gun instead of an IV. Bit more messy, I suppose. But oh well.

[Fitz]

Thread title is misleading.


Dude was injected


Dude died.


Execution was successful. *expletive deleted*ck him

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

3 drugs?  i bet they prep a week spend thousands for what i could do in 5 mins for under a 100 bucks,

[cordex]

Thread title is misleading.

It was supposed to be a double execution.  Only one dude got injected/died.  Thus botched.  Thread title accurate.

[makattak]

I don't know why we waste drugs on executions. Rope is better for the environment, cheaper, and reusable.

Win-win-win.

[RoadKingLarry]

It's been a big deal here for the last month or so. These 2 dirtbags had there executio stayed a couple of times over the drug mix being used. This go around was a "new" cocktail. I suspect that we won't see another execution in Oklahoma for quite a while.

I also wouldn't be surprised to find that a sympathetic anti-death penalty insider managed to sabotage the event.

[MillCreek]

The odd thing is that if they had good vascular access, it should have gone swimmingly.  The failure of the execution is not a function of the drugs being used, it was a failure of not having rapid access of the drugs to the blood stream.  The drugs are the standard execution drug protocol with substituting the midazolam (Versed) for the phenobarbital that is now almost impossible to get.  Theoretically, he should have been snowed under with a heavy dose of the sedative Versed, and then while unconscious, they would have followed with the pancuronium bromide to paralyze his respiratory muscles and then the potassium chloride to stop his heart.   After the potassium chloride hit his bloodstream, he would have been dead in seconds.

All the crap about not knowing where the drugs came from and were they FDA approved and all that was just a smokescreen to stop the penalty period.  But with this latest event, the opponents have more arrows in the quiver, that is for sure.  Some of these prisoners have just crappy vascular access due to years of drug use.  In some cases, they have to do a vascular cutdown in the execution chamber in order to ensure that the drugs can get into the bloodstream ASAP.

[AJ Dual]

I still don't understand what the hell is wrong with pushing an LD100 bolus of Etomidate, Fentanayl, and Succinylcholine like you were going to intubate, then uh... just don't intubate.   Every ER in America has those drugs.

Junkie with collapsed veins, meh.. PICC line.

Despite my strong Libertarian leanings, I DO think that in theory, people can do things heinous enough that the state/society has the right to kill them.

In practice, the number of people who've been exonerated from death row, the burden all the appeals on the court system, and all the extra expense, which winds up delaying justice, and creating shorter incarcerations for other truly dangerous non-capital case criminals. Every guilty guy who fried wasn't worth one innocent man who did.

The whole penal system is a bunch of conflicting concepts, rehabilitation, punishment, "paying" for what was done. The whole thing needs to be triaged predicated on the idea of protecting innocent society from harm. Capital punishment, however deserved it is in some cases, detracts from that.

[Jamisjockey]

What's wrong with just injecting heroin or morophine until they just die?

[KD5NRH]

The whole thing needs to be triaged predicated on the idea of protecting innocent society from harm.

This.  And, treating it as collective self defense, any method the victim could legitimately have been justified in using, had they been able, should be fair game.

[AmbulanceDriver]

I think someone has posted this before, but why not just do a "gas chamber" type of execution and just flood the room with N2?  From my understanding, there's no freak out due to the CO2 chemoceptors being triggered.  I think the nitrogen intoxication gives a bit of an euphoric feeling, and allows for a relatively gentle slip into unconsciousness, and then the oxygen deprivation does the rest.

[Nick1911]

What's wrong with nitrogen?

Refill on a 300 cf cylinder is what, 80 bucks retail?

Thread title is misleading.


Dude was injected


Dude died.


Execution was successful. *expletive deleted* him

I literally laughed out loud 

[Nick1911]

I think someone has posted this before, but why not just do a "gas chamber" type of execution and just flood the room with N2?  From my understanding, there's no freak out due to the CO2 chemoceptors being triggered.  I think the nitrogen intoxication gives a bit of an euphoric feeling, and allows for a relatively gentle slip into unconsciousness, and then the oxygen deprivation does the rest.

Beat me to it.

I have a habit of reading the MSDS for whatever chemicals I'm working with.  Once I started doing HVAC and having cylinders of dry nitrogen around, it became apparent that it's ideal for this.

[Fitz]

What's wrong with nitrogen?

Refill on a 300 cf cylinder is what, 80 bucks retail?

I literally laughed out loud 

*bows*

[CypherNinja]

I think someone has posted this before, but why not just do a "gas chamber" type of execution and just flood the room with N2?  From my understanding, there's no freak out due to the CO2 chemoceptors being triggered.  I think the nitrogen intoxication gives a bit of an euphoric feeling, and allows for a relatively gentle slip into unconsciousness, and then the oxygen deprivation does the rest.

The words "gas" and "chamber" probably. Press would have a field day.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

The words "gas" and "chamber" probably. Press would have a field day.

the hypocrisy of our culture looks for a pretty execution

[Pb]

This person shot a woman and helped bury her alive.

[wmenorr67]

Yes and the one that got at least another 14 days raped and murdered a baby,  11 months old I believe.

[roo_ster]

This person shot a woman and helped bury her alive.

Yes and the one that got at least another 14 days raped and murdered a baby,  11 months old I believe.

^^^ Bears repeating.

The words "gas" and "chamber" probably. Press would have a field day.

Nitrogen Nook

Sleepy Space

Carbon Sequestration Station

the hypocrisy of our culture looks for a pretty execution

Execution and enforcement.  Many folk are fine give agents of gov't the authority to shoot folk in the face so they don;t have to.

[Tallpine]

This person shot a woman and helped bury her alive.

Yeah, I'm not very sympathetic 

[Monkeyleg]

I think they should be checking out Clyde Shelton.

[zxcvbob]

They don't even need a gas *chamber*, just a mask.  Give the guy a sedative like diazepam, (if he doesn't take it, that's his problem) strap him to a table, apply face mask with N₂ for 5 minutes or whatever it takes.

BTW, I'm generally against the death penalty, but if you're going to do it there doesn't need to be such a ritual about it.

[wmenorr67]

Beheading can either be quick and virtually painless or slow and agonizing.  Either way works for me.