John McCain and Stand Your Ground

[HankB]

Saw on TV this morning that John McCain (R-AZ) agrees with Obama that "Stand Your Ground" laws ought to be reviewed, and he hopes AZ will take a look at theirs and reconsider it.

http://news.yahoo.com/mccain-backs-obama-s-call-for--stand-your-ground--review-153105503.html


Editorial Comment: <bleeping> <bleeping> <deity cursed> <bleeping> <backstabbing> <bleeping> RINO

[geronimotwo]

why is "stand your ground" being criticized after the zimmerman trial?  unless i missed something, that was strictly a self defense ruling.

[Fly320s]

why is "stand your ground" being criticized after the zimmerman trial?  unless i missed something, that was strictly a self defense ruling.

You are correct, but that isn't what the media is pushing as the narrative. Just a quick reminder of the narrative: racism, STYG, whites murdering blacks, STYG lets whites kill blacks, racists!, guns are evil, republicans are evil, creepy ass crackas are evil and racists, Obama has a son like Trayvon and he had such a positive future, guns are racist.

[Tallpine]

Saw on TV this morning that John McCain (R-AZ) agrees with Obama that "Stand Your Ground" laws ought to be reviewed, and he hopes AZ will take a look at theirs and reconsider it.

http://news.yahoo.com/mccain-backs-obama-s-call-for--stand-your-ground--review-153105503.html


Editorial Comment: <bleeping> <bleeping> <deity cursed> <bleeping> <backstabbing> <bleeping> RINO

Any clue why McCain lost?   

[HankB]

Any clue why McCain lost?   

Surprised nobody took the (R-AZ) tag following McCain's name in my OP and changed it to (R D-AZ) with a FIFY tag yet . . .


Editorial commentary continued: <bleeping> <equine excrement> <bleeping> RINO

[gunsmith]

hopefully AZ voters need to review their choice next time around

[griz]

The focus on stand you ground laws brings up an ironic twist.  Was it Martin or Zimmerman who was standing his ground?  I maintain it was neither.  Zimmerman was on the way back to the truck (retreating) and Martin decided to return and attack instead of walking home.  Would it have been that demeaning for him to have kept walking and just called 911? I'll admit I am looking at this from an old white guy perspective, but it can be a painful lesson when you try and pound respect into somebody and they turn out to have the means to fight back.

[Waitone]

SYG?  I believe it was Zimmerman who was PINNED TO THE GROUND. 

[Hawkmoon]

The focus on stand you ground laws brings up an ironic twist.  Was it Martin or Zimmerman who was standing his ground?  I maintain it was neither.  Zimmerman was on the way back to the truck (retreating) and Martin decided to return and attack instead of walking home.  Would it have been that demeaning for him to have kept walking and just called 911? I'll admit I am looking at this from an old white guy perspective, but it can be a painful lesson when you try and pound respect into somebody and they turn out to have the means to fight back.

I mostly agree with you. However, I don't think Martin was trying to pound respect into Zimmerman, I think Martin was trying to kill Zimmerman.

[Regolith]

Massad Ayoob on why Stand Your Ground laws are necessarry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irnD34P2l1w&feature=youtu.be&t=12m50s

(Warning: May cause RCOB syndrome. Do not watch if you have high blood pressure or a history of heart disease).

[MechAg94]

I mostly agree with you. However, I don't think Martin was trying to pound respect into Zimmerman, I think Martin was trying to kill Zimmerman.

Doesn't matter.  Laws generally allow use of deadly force for the threat of death or serous bodily injury. 

[Levant]

McCain is not known for standing his ground in any aspect of his life.  He's a go-with-the-flow kind of guy. 

[griz]

McCain is not known for standing his ground in any aspect of his life.  He's a go-with-the-flow kind of guy. 

I'm not a big fan of McCain as a politician either, but you might want to look in to his military service before you say there was no aspect of his life where he stood his ground.

[HankB]

I'm not a big fan of McCain as a politician either, but you might want to look in to his military service before you say there was no aspect of his life where he stood his ground.

That he went into harm's way, was captured, and survived torture at the hands of the North Vietnamese hardly excuses his later actions - and surviving capativity isn't the same as SYG.

And war heroes DO go bad - both Benedict Arnold and the late Rep. Murtha come to mind. For that matter, even Timothy McVeigh earned decorations for his military service, and look how he turned out.

No, the time when McCain deserved a "pass" out of respect for his military service has long expired.

[Perd Hapley]

Nobody said he gets a pass. You can honor a person's military service without making them a saint.

[griz]

That he went into harm's way, was captured, and survived torture at the hands of the North Vietnamese hardly excuses his later actions - and surviving capativity isn't the same as SYG.

And war heroes DO go bad - both Benedict Arnold and the late Rep. Murtha come to mind. For that matter, even Timothy McVeigh earned decorations for his military service, and look how he turned out.

No, the time when McCain deserved a "pass" out of respect for his military service has long expired.

Well, the topic is stand your ground.  In 1968 he was a POW.  His captors realized his father was an admiral, and offered McCain release, presumably for propaganda purposes.  He refused, citing the fact that they had not released prisoners who were there before he was.  Is that not an example of standing his ground?

[Monkeyleg]

I think the focus should be on John McCain the politician of the last 20+ years, not the distinguished serviceman.

[griz]

I agree that he hasn't been a respectable candidate for a long time.  I was responding to "McCain is not known for standing his ground in any aspect of his life."

[Boomhauer]

I think the focus should be on John McCain the politician of the last 20+ years, not the distinguished serviceman.

Pretty much two different people at this point.

[TommyGunn]

Well, the topic is stand your ground.  In 1968 he was a POW.  His captors realized his father was an admiral, and offered McCain release, presumably for propaganda purposes.  He refused, citing the fact that they had not released prisoners who were there before he was.  Is that not an example of standing his ground?

It was an honorable act but it was not SYG.

[AZRedhawk44]

hopefully AZ voters need to review their choice next time around

McCain said he's not running again.

We're likely to have Jon Kyl as our senior senator, and probably Jeff Flake as our junior senator.

[Levant]

John McCain's military behavior has been called into question many times. 

But I was referring to the family that he dumped for money, power, beer, and boobs, and his turncoat behavior against the Republicans, conservatism, gun rights, and just about anything else.

John McCain is a man without honor who will sell your soul for his own gain.