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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: K Frame on May 28, 2019, 12:19:08 PM
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Anyone have one?
I was able to get hands on a used one today and I REALLY like it.
Fits my hand really well.
Single stack, thumb safety, 9mm.
Thinking seriously about one.
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I had one, briefly. I took it home, field stripped it, cleaned it, then tried to reassemble it. I don't remember the exact problem, but I just could not get the thing back together. I seem to recall that with the slide locked back, I couldn't get the takedown lever to rotate back to true. I hit up Google, did my best, and with a Herculean effort just short of brute force, managed to get it back into battery.
That sapped my confidence completely, and I returned it. Rumor is that the CCP is made by Umarex under Walther supervision, but is still not up to Walther's standards. Also, there may be a recall in effect. You're better off with the PPQ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_CCP
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PPQ...
Nope. No thumb safety.
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The CCP does have a recall, on the first version. Not drop safe in some circumstances, is my possibly fallible recollection. The new version supposedly has an easier take down.
Interesting because of the tech, but (to me) not much otherwise.
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I ended up with a S&W Shield .40, manual safety, perhaps that in 9x19mm meets your criteria. I am happy with mine.
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Seems to me I've been on-and-off hearing a lot of cases where guns have been locking up on re-assembly. I had a PF-9 which would do this unless I used a slave pin made out of a Q-Tip stick to hold things in alignment while reassembling. (Otherwise, it took a lot of vigorous shaking in all three axes while gently pushing-pulling alternately on the slide to unjam it.)
I also know that my Kahr CW9 has very specific instructions in the manual for re-assembly, which if not exacty followed, may require the gun be sent back to the factory. It says so, in words. In English.
So what the heck is going on? Is there an endemic problem with DAO autos with ramp lockup (as opposed to link locking) which should be corrected?
Terry, 230RN
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Damn. Never had a single issue like that with my Kahr K9... Still miss that handgun. I ended up selling it to Mtnbkr, and for some reason not long afterward it developed a very unreliable streak. I'd shot it a bunch, and he'd also shot it a bunch before he bought it. It went back to the factory a couple of times but never did get sorted out to his satisfaction. I think Kahr ended up replacing it for him, and he got rid of the replacement.
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Ah, found it:
Now, carefully insert the Slide Stop at the 4:00
o’clock position approx. half way through the
frame opening and the kidney shaped cutout in
the barrel lug (see photo #10). At this point adjust
the Slide Stop to the 3:00 o’clock position
to allow the slide stop spring to catch the top
of the landing on the slide stop. Make sure the
slide stop does not miss the kidney shaped cutout
as this will result in the gun being returned
to the factory for service.
Page 22, https://www.kahr.com/PDF/kahrmanual.pdf
Of course, that's the Kahr Cw9, not the Walther anyway.
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No freaking way... Well, that knocks the CW9 off my list of potential purchases.
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Seems to me I've been on-and-off hearing a lot of cases where guns have been locking up on re-assembly. I had a PF-9 which would do this unless I used a slave pin made out of a Q-Tip stick to hold things in alignment while reassembling. (Otherwise, it took a lot of vigorous shaking in all three axes while gently pushing-pulling alternately on the slide to unjam it.)
Now that you mention it, I remember that from the stretch of years I owned a PF9. You were supposed to make sure the barrel hood was pushed down before pushing the retaining pin through. Somehow I never managed to get mine jammed up.
(Would I get another? Probably not. It was kind of an impluse purchase, that mostly worked well.)
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Guy I knew had an FP9 and had big problems with a pin wanting to back out. It went back to Kel-Tec at least once but he ended up getting rid of it.
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Good lord... Bud's has the Walther CCP M2 for less than $300.
Hell, at that price I think it's a gimmie that I'm going to give it a try.
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Going to order the CCP M2 either today or tomorrow.
Ought to be interesting.
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Looking forward to a report. At that price, could be worth adding to the collection...
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Just ordered it from Bud's.
Damn that was WAY too easy...
I could see myself doing some very bad things to my bank account...
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I drive down to Buds once in awhile. Learned that if it's on the shelf at their retail store it's often a bit cheaper there.
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Just ordered it from Bud's.
Damn that was WAY too easy...
I could see myself doing some very bad things to my bank account...
Very easy. Especially when you get on email lists for Bud's and Classic Firearms and others who have decent prices and they all have your FFL on file. =D >:D >:D
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Unfortunately, or fortunately, I'm not within driving distance of Bud's. That could be... dangerous.
Really looking forward to getting this thing and putting it though its paces. I spoke briefly with Tamara about it. She tested one of the first generation ones and more or less liked it.
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Rumor is that the CCP is made by Umarex under Walther supervision, but is still not up to Walther's standards.
Not a rumor, sort of, which can be confirmed by the Arnsburg proofs on the slide and/or barrel although Walther does say they have their own people at the Umarex factory from what I've read. Walthers will typically have Ulm proofs.
Got this off the internet.
"Staghorn" proofmark:
Ulm: P99, PPS, PPQ, PPX, Creed
"Three crowns" proofmark:
Umarex: P22, G22, SP22, PK380, CCP
BTW: Umarex owns Walther
Edit: Read that there may be exceptions to the above proofs that come about because one or the other proof house may be back logged
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I've read stuff from people who have reservations about Umarex making handguns because THEY MAKE AIRSOFT GUNS!!!!
And Glock made curtain rods before they went whole hog into handguns.
Granted, the early P22s I saw looked like the injection mold grinder had had a few too many beers & brats at lunch...
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I've read stuff from people who have reservations about Umarex making handguns because THEY MAKE AIRSOFT GUNS!!!!
And Glock made curtain rods before they went whole hog into handguns.
Granted, the early P22s I saw looked like the injection mold grinder had had a few too many beers & brats at lunch...
P22s have had problems with the slides cracking and in some cases just falling apart. Google P22 slide crack
Not sure if they ever worked it out. Read the slide is a zinc alloy
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Lots of .22s use some sort of zinc alloy (Zamak, or something like that) for the slides, even ones from the big manufacturers.
I believe the CCP's slide is stainless steel.
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Lots of .22s use some sort of zinc alloy (Zamak, or something like that) for the slides, even ones from the big manufacturers.
I believe the CCP's slide is stainless steel.
I believe it is, I was commenting on the P22.
And yes many other 22s use a zinc alloy for their slides. I think the issue is the slide + the way the slide impacts the frame causing stress cracks in the slide. Zinc alloys just doesn't hold up very well under such conditions. There's plenty of photographic evidence to show the P22 has or had a problem in that department. That said I have one of the newer P22s and haven seen any problems but I will admit I haven't shot it all that much.
Back to the CCP
I've actually been recommending the CCP to people who have trouble racking the slides on many semi-auto handguns. The gas piston design on the CCP allows for a weaker recoil spring to be used than most which thus allows easier racking. I was going to buy a CCP for my daughter for this reason but she settled on the M&P Gen1 Compact.
Other than needing a take down tool and the recent drop safe recall* in the Gen 1 I havn't heard of really real issues with the CCP.
* My Walther PPS M2 has an ongoing very similar recall BTW
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"I believe it is, I was commenting on the P22."
I know, I was drawing the clear distinction to make sure that no one else got the wrong idea.
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YAY! My CCP is finally in shipping! It should be here in a couple of days!
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i was considering getting one, a friend has one with "issues" - the mag disconnects on its own accord.
but he only wants 200 for it.
however, i had to turn it down even tho it seems like a good trade gun for next year or so, i need to get ahead of the bills.
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The Walther has landed!
Now I just need to figure out when I can get over there to pick it up.
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i was considering getting one, a friend has one with "issues" - the mag disconnects on its own accord.
but he only wants 200 for it.
however, i had to turn it down even tho it seems like a good trade gun for next year or so, i need to get ahead of the bills.
Walther warranty is good.
If you purchase a Walther firearm, it carries its Legendary Warranty regardless of whether or not you are the original purchaser. This warranty covers Walther centerfire and rimfire firearms, produced after 1993 only and does not apply to antique, limited edition, or custom firearms.
If your Walther firearm has a defect in materials or workmanship, please contact Walther or return the firearm, postage paid, with a brief description of the problem to us at the address noted below for a repair or replacement at no cost to you.
For $200 I'd risk it.
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I haz Walther!
I LOVE the way it fits into my hand!
Range session tonight!
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I haz Walther!
I LOVE the way it fits into my hand!
Range session tonight!
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Walther seems to have ergonomics down. I don't think I've ever shot a more "comfortable" (for lack of a better word) pistol.
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3 magazines and the gun is com.pletely dead. Fatal failure. Gotta go back to Walther.
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Pictures? Description?
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(https://www.newscentermaine.com/img/resize/content.wcsh6.com/photo/2017/02/13/eSCALATED_1487040000699_8508527_ver1.0.jpg?mode=pad&bgcolor=000000&scale=both&width=750&height=422)
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Tomorrow
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Too pissed to Pic? I can get down with that. My head is trying to kill me today (headaches) and I am trying to keep the will up to not apply a tourniquet to my neck to see if it helps at this point! (banana <-- my "just kidding" "safe" word)
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Here it is.
The red thing on the right is the cocking indicator.
It's sitting in the locking block.
The spring? It shouldn't be compressed like that. The reason it is is because I'm pretty sure that the striker, that silvery thing to the left of it, has broken through the firing pin drop safety in the slide and it's now jammed fully to the rear where it shouldn't be.
Before I realized what was going on I tried to disassemble the slide, and that's what I saw when the locking block popped out.
But... I can't get the locking block back into place.
This is, as far as I'm concerned, a catastrophic failure for a gun that I was hoping to make my new CCW piece.
I'm going to get in touch with Walther. They have a pretty good warranty rep, but the more I think about it, the more I'm thinking that I don't really want to carry this gun now. Fewer than 30 rounds for a catastrophic failure that completely disables the gun?
I think I'm just going to ask for my money back and and I'm going to buy a Ruger.
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Ok, that sux! I would lose confidence in it as well.
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Guess you could say your CCP went CCCP
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Just shot off an e-mail to Walther's customer service. I included the photo.
"Brand new, and very dead, Walther CCP
On Saturday June 16 I took possession of my new Walther CCP M2, purchased from Bud's Gun Shop.
Saturday evening I went to the NRA Range to run it through its paces. Within 30 rounds of 115-gr. Winchester White Box 9mm ammo my new CCP suffered what appears to be a critical mechanical failure that has completely disabled it.
The gun fired normally, then on the next attempted shot nothing happened. I noticed that the cocking indicator was sticking out of the rear of the locking block a LOT farther than it seemed it should be. I attempted to remove the slide. The locking block popped free but I cannot get the slide off, nor can I get the locking block to return to its seated and locked position. Please see the attached picture.
It appears that the striker has somehow been pushed farther back that it should and is now jammed, rendering the gun completely non function.
Needless to say I'm extremely unhappy. I purchased this gun with the intention of it becoming my primary CCW to replace the revolvers that I have carried for over 30 years. Now I sincerely doubt if I will ever trust a CCP enough to considering carrying one."
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Obviously much of a CCW choice is what is comforting to you, but I confess I don't understand the whole "I'll never feel comfortable enough to carry it after X happened", although Mike is certainly not the only one to say something like that.
Firearms are machines. Machines break. Firearms are machines that are built by humans, and can be built incorrectly.
We don't even know what happened to this gun. Is it a design flaw? Did a part break? Was it assembled incorrectly from the factory? Why would you write of an entire design of pistol you liked enough to spend money on because *something* happened. I get testing out the individual pistol you plan on carrying for some amount of rounds until you feel comfortable, but why write off an entire design that 30 rounds ago you liked?
I've shot a 1911 till it broke. I've had parts break in a Sig and an AR. Hell I even had a vaunted Smith revolver lock up on me once that required a complete disassembly to fix. I still carry example of all of them (except the revolver, but that's for other reasons.)
There's plenty of other pistols to carry, so swap out for a Ruger if you want, but it's not like Roger's NEVER break. Personally I'd want to at least know what happened before I made any decisions.
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That it broke isnt an issue. That it broke in the first 30 rounds is a BIG issue.
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That it broke isnt an issue. That it broke in the first 30 rounds is a BIG issue.
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I would say that's actually better. Defective part that breaks right away? That's ideal. Fix it and put 250-300 rds through it and you can have high confidence it's fixed for good.
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And I disagree. WHY did the part break? Bad design? Then what does another 300 round prove?
Faulty manufacture? Same question.
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Perhaps a bit of research to see if this has occurred a statistically significant amount of times, or if there are other repeated quality control issues. Could be bad design, cheap parts, or other issues with a repeatable history. Or it could be a Friday gun, or a fluke. The former would have me seeking another gun altogether. The latter would have me seeing what Walther does for me, and then putting a few hundred rounds through it to see what happens.
Really, a failure after 30 rounds sounds more like "Friday gun" to me.
In the end though, a guy's gotta go with what's comfortable for him. Much is psychological - If I have a gun that makes me, in the back of my mind, think, "What if this fails again at a really bad time?" I'm likely not going to want to carry it, even if the malfunction was a total fluke.
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Let me start by saying, I'm not really trying to change your mind, there are plenty of handguns to pick and they all work pretty well. I'm just trying to have a discussion about something I see on gun boards a lot, that makes no sense [ETA: to me. makes no sense to me).
On any machine, a reasonable test period after repair proves that it is functioning as designed, and you can have high confidence that the fault was repaired and the machine will function as designed for it's lifespan.
It's not 100% (nothing is), but it's pretty close.
As far as why it failed, that remains to be seen, but there are enough CCP's in the world that have gone beyond 30 rounds we can be confident that it's not inherent in the design to go tits up at that point. So it's VERY likely that it's a faulty part, or faulty manufacture of something. Both are easily remedied.
That said, you started the warranty/repair process by deciding that you no longer wanted the pistol, so I doubt you can be swayed. That's why I started this part of the discussion with "I don't understand...."
Realistically speaking, from the standpoint of one that builds and repairs machines way more complicated and prone to breakage than a handgun, there's no rational reason to think that your pistol, repaired and tested, or a replacement CCP isn't just as good as you expected it to be when you bought it last week.
It's funny, because we talk in politics all the time about folks reacting to their "feelings", but that's what's happening here. You won't "feel safe" with a CCP, no matter what evidence exists that the pistol works, so you don't want it any more. I'm just amused by the phenomenon.
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I've found no other reports even hinting at a failure like this.
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To you it makes no sense.
To others it makes perfect sense.
I doubt if I could explain to you in a way that you would understand.
Just as you can't explain to me your position I would understand.
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However, I am more than willing to sell you this gun once I get it back from Walther.
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<opinion>
Delayed Blowback?
I'll pass.
Anything small that requires tight tolerances to function will soon wear into a non-functional state unless it's a Big German Machine Gun, which is large and powerful enough in the first place that a couple of thou here and there don't matter that much.
Or gets dirty enough in the course of normal functioning that it stops.
Or requires a fluted chamber.
Or lubed cases.
</opinion>
Take it or leave it. See Remington R51 pistol history.
Terry, IOF*, 230RN
* Intransigent Old Fart
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My HK P7 is delayed blowback and has never bobbled.
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Terry, pretty sure you mean the R51. The R1 is a 1911.
And the issues with the R51 weren't the design. Mine is fine:
(https://i.imgur.com/OqHuLsw.jpg)
=D
Mike, I didn't really like the CCP anyways, but thanks. If you ever want to sell that P7 though, gimme a call.
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My HK P7 is delayed blowback and has never bobbled.
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Good for you. N=1. :rofl:
Take my remarks or leave them, as I said. Just general principles, like don't buy a rifle chambered in a brand new cartridge.
Fun:
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/5-guns-worlds-armed-forces-can-kill-you-55277
Terry
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I can understand getting to not trust a gun. IMO, it really depends on if you like the gun or if you just shoot it accurately. If so, shoot more ammo through it to sort of let it prove itself again. I have heard people talk about going 500 rounds without a malfunction to prove a carry gun. Whatever makes you comfortable.
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"Take my remarks or leave them..."
I'll leave them in this instance.
The HK P7 series of handguns has an enviable reputation for reliability stretching back nearly 50 years and with a number of major US and international police organizations.
The biggest failure point of the P7 series hasn't been the precision fit in the gas piston (one would wonder if you only have this concern about handguns, or any other gun that uses a gas piston design, of which there are hundreds, if not thousands), but the firing pin retainer collar.
Unfortunately, when that breaks, it also renders the gun completely nonfunctional. But fortunately it's easy to inspect for.
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The biggest failure point of the P7 series hasn't been the precision fit in the gas piston (one would wonder if you only have this concern about handguns, or any other gun that uses a gas piston design, of which there are hundreds, if not thousands), but the firing pin retainer collar.
Seen dozens of that failure...
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Well, apparently Walther's "legendary warranty" doesn't include legendary service speed.
I wrote Sunday morning. By Wednesday morning I still hadn't had even an inkling of a response from them, so I shot off a rather terse e-mail asking for a timeframe when this could get going.
I got a response about 20 minutes later asking for my phone number so that a case could be established. I gave him my phone number. Then... nothing.
So, about 20 minutes ago I get an e-mail from the same guy asking if a certain part was still in place.... and asking for my phone number (again) so that a case could be established.
I confirmed that the part appeared to be in place and "as I noted in my response to you yesterday, my number is XXXXXXX (this time bold and large text).
Apparently he didn't even bother to look at the photograph I provided because it clearly shows the part in place.
I'm starting to get a very bad feeling that this is going to end up being a goat rope trying to get them to deal with this.
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doesn't include legendary service speed.
For what it's worth, I'm currently in week 8 of waiting for my S&W 642 to get back from S&W. The process actually started in March. Two Fridays ago it was "in shipping." Last Friday it was "in shipping". I expect if I call tomorrow it will be "in shipping". This was a gun that they determined needed a "new frame", which I assume means a new gun.
Can the seller (Bud's, was it?) do anything for you, like just get you a new gun?
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Coming back is one thing.
This hasn't even gotten started yet.
I don't want to try to jack Bud's up over this. They fulfilled their mission. Walther hasn't. I'll give Walther a chance. I'm just going to be grump as hell about it because goddamn it I want my gun.
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I was having a short cycling issue with my Brownells BRN-180 AR Upper. I emailed them and they immediately said to send it back for an exchange. Said there was a known issue with barrel gas ports drilled too small. It took a couple days to get a paid postage label. I got the new one yesterday. Took less than 2 weeks. I like Brownells service.
I have a pistol I am waiting for a response back to get it fixed. I haven't harassed them much since I have been busy. I need to change that. I may have to post about that later.
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I've just about had it with Walther.
After I provided my phone number -- TWICE -- to "open a case" I didn't hear a damned thing from Walther, so this morning I sent out another e-mail to the guy I've been in contact with.
He's on vacation until 1 July. Unfuckingbelievable.
So, start at square one with a ANOTHER e-mail to Walther customer service with all of the previous correspondence attached.
For a company that prides itself on "legendary customer service," what I'm seeing so far is that their customer service is a legend, as in you hear nice things about it but it's not exactly true.
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FINALLY have the return shipping label and authorization. Jesus wept.
I'll be shipping the thing out via FuckedupinExcess tomorrow.
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FINALLY have the return shipping label and authorization. Jesus wept.
I'll be shipping the thing out via FuckedupinExcess tomorrow.
Does that mean they are at least paying for shipping? Not everyone does.
I just shipped a Rex Delta to FIME group and had to pay for it. The pistol works great, but the slide locks back with ammo in the mag 1 to 5 times per mag. They didn't quiz me when I contacted them so I may not be the only one. I think it would be a good performer if that is fixed. Spare magazine availability needs to be there also. The part that catches the mag follower doesn't seem to be sitting high. My only thought is it is not spring loaded and may be moving around during recoil.
The Rex Zero 1 pistols I have work perfectly.
I recall seeing Canik had a recall on a few of their pistols and the information I saw said you had to pay shipping to them. Most issues that have come up for me the OEM pays shipping, but not always.
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"Does that mean they are at least paying for shipping? Not everyone does."
Yes.
I didn't get a chance to box it up last night but I'll do so tonight so I can drop it into the shipping stream tomorrow.
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I had an issue with a Henry Mini-Bolt and sent it to the factory for repair. They shipped me a box to send it back in and paid shipping both ways.
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The Sig recall on my P320 was handled 100% by them. Springfield Armory did the same for the XDs a few years back also.
I think some of the smaller companies and importers have more trouble eating that cost. I would prefer they at least let me use their shipping rates which are probably much cheaper than what I have to pay.
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The Sig recall on my P320 was handled 100% by them. Springfield Armory did the same for the XDs a few years back also.
In recent years, Charter Arms, Springfield, and S&W have all covered shipping. Bersa did not.
I think some of the smaller companies and importers have more trouble eating that cost. I would prefer they at least let me use their shipping rates which are probably much cheaper than what I have to pay.
Charter would send a FedEx tag, with contents listed as "machined parts".
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There was nothing listed on the tag as to contents and the guy who did the intake never asked me what was in the box.
So... don't ask, don't tell.
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Charter would send a FedEx tag, with contents listed as "machined parts".
When I shipped a pistol back to S&W for repair, that's exactly what I said was in the box.
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You are not going to like this... but get a Glock for concealed carry, and then don't look back. It took me about 10k worth of handguns to get to that point.
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You are not going to like this... but get a Glock for concealed carry, and then don't look back. It took me about 10k worth of handguns to get to that point.
He was trying to stay at a lower price level. IMO, there are a number of guns that I would recommend depending on what someone wants. There are a lot of reliable choices out there these days.
One of the Glocks I bought had to go back to them for repair. (G21 I think) Once or twice per magazine it would chamber the next round and I would get a dead trigger. It wouldn't reset. I think they just changed the trigger group. What counted for me is they fixed it and it has been 100% since then. If Walther doesn't send him back a working gun, then I would be more inclined to bash them.
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You're right. I'm not going to like it. Nor am I going to get a glock. I shot Mtnbkr's Glock the night my CCP went tits up, and it just reinforced how much I do NOT like Glocks.
And, if anyone has been paying attention, I eliminated Glocks immediately as a new carry gun simply from the standpoint that they do not have an external thumb safety.
I don't care what anyone else wants, I REQUIRE an external thumb safety on a striker fired gun (the only exception being my HK P9).
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I bought a CCP M2 for my wife (she received it after I had it cerakoted in robin egg blue).
I like the ergonomics but I'm less than enthusiastic about the sights. The white does in low light are hard to see. The trigger is nice and the handgun is accurate.
We put some rounds of factory loads through it without any issues. I then moved on to my reloads (120gr polycoated truncated from wheel weights) and had no issues until we had a REAL issue.
The slide locked in half-cycle and seemed quite seized at the range. That ended our session and my wife's confidence in the pistol.
The slide was cleared at home by using some force (I had to be cafeful due to the live round that couldn't be ejected or chambered) but the pistol has sit in its case since. I suspect a piece of lead or jacket material made its way into the works and gummed things up.
My wife has gone back to my electroless nickel K9.
I'm willing to give the pistol a 2nd chance since it has a lot going for it.
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At least I know that Walther has received my pistol. Signed for last Wednesday.
Which makes me think that Walther is increasingly incapable of functioning on this issue.
Per theirs CSR, they send out a notification once they receive the pistol.
Well, they got it last Wednesday and still no notification e-mail. It could be the holiday. But I don't think it is. I'm getting a pretty clear pictures that Walther simply is largely incompetent.
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I usually give companies a bit of leeway on stuff like that when when it's during a holiday week.
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I usually give companies a bit of leeway on stuff like that when when it's during a holiday week.
I'd be more willing to give them a bit of leeway on it given the holiday but for the fact that they've pretty much failed on the communications standpoint at all stages of this process to this point.
I've had to push them repeatedly on everything, including providing the same information TWICE (that could have been gotten from my warranty registration) to get the case started.
And then once the case was started, they failed again on the notification process and I had to push them yet again.
Over the weekend I did finally manage to go paws on with a Ruger Security 9 compact. It had the flush magazine so I wasn't at all crazy about how it felt in my hand. My pinky was hanging out into space. A different magazine or a full-size version might be more to my liking.
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I'd be more willing to give them a bit of leeway on it given the holiday but for the fact that they've pretty much failed on the communications standpoint at all stages of this process to this point.
I've had to push them repeatedly on everything, including providing the same information TWICE (that could have been gotten from my warranty registration) to get the case started.
And then once the case was started, they failed again on the notification process and I had to push them yet again.
Over the weekend I did finally manage to go paws on with a Ruger Security 9 compact. It had the flush magazine so I wasn't at all crazy about how it felt in my hand. My pinky was hanging out into space. A different magazine or a full-size version might be more to my liking.
Many of these type guns will come with both a flush mag and a mag with a pinky extension in the box. Sometime you have to ask the clerk if they know and/or have them look in the box. If not someone usually makes replacement floor plates with one.
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OK, I got Walther's "We have received your gun" e-mail about an hour ago.
It's saying that assessment/repair times are taking roughly 5 to 7 business days.
We'll see what happens.
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At the rate they are going, in 5 to 7 business days they'll probably send you another notification that they just received the gun.
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What you need to do is buy another gun so you have something else to play with and forget about this. =D
Maybe start another thread asking for suggestions based on impossible requirements that we will all ignore anyway.
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No, you jack wads would comment aimlessly...
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No, you jack wads would comment aimlessly...
It gives life meaning.
Brad
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I recommend a Taurus Judge to tide you over. You won’t bait any comments from the awesome shot spreading power and undeniable Taurus quality that way.
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I recommend a Taurus Judge to tide you over. You won’t bait any comments from the awesome shot spreading power and undeniable Taurus quality that way.
[popcorn]
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I recommend a Taurus Judge to tide you over. You won’t bait any comments from the awesome shot spreading power and undeniable Taurus quality that way.
But do they make them with a safety lever?
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My most recent handgun is an HK VP9sk. Shoots great for a little pistol.
Then I realized the HK P30sk is virtually the same gun with a hammer and safety/decocker. Now I already want another pistol. (so all is normal)
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But do they make them with a safety lever?
https://www.taurususa.com/company/contact-us/ (https://www.taurususa.com/company/contact-us/)
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But do they make them with a safety lever?
Sometimes Taurus makes them so safe they’re incapable of firing.
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Sometimes Taurus makes them so safe they’re incapable of firing.
But that wouldn’t matter. Because it’s a shotgun. you’d only have to rack the slide to scare bad guys (and devil women) away.
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Just got notification that Walther is getting ready to ship my CCP back.
Be interesting to see what the notes are on it.
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The CCP should be here Friday between 5 and 8 p.m. I had to pay an extra $5.55 to FedEx to get them to use that window. I'm betting that when I get home at 3:30, though, that there's a note on my door saying "we couldn't deliver so we're sending it for destruction!"
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I recall some time back thinking it was funny picking up a CMP rifle in a box at the Fedex depot.
We should be able to mail order all of our guns.
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I recall some time back thinking it was funny picking up a CMP rifle in a box at the Fedex depot.
We should be able to mail order all of our guns.
Back when I had my C&R, I was buying "fiver packs" of rifles from Century Arms. It was kinda comical coming home from work and having what the MSM would call an "arsenal" sitting on my front porch (because of course they were sent with "no signature required").
I also one time had my Combat Commander sent out for some upgrading and the smith sent it back to my office address at the fed.gov. I couldn't have gotten away with it if it wasn't a small field office and where the UPS guy knew me and just handed it to me vs leaving it in the admin area. :)
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So, I paid an extra $5.55 to have the Walther delivered between 5 and 8 p.m. You know, when I'd actually be home.
First thing this morning I go to the tracking information and... FuckedupintheExcess tried to deliver it at 9 a.m. but no one was home, so they'd try to deliver it the next business day (Monday). Or, I could pick it up at their hub!
You can better bet that I made a phone call on that.
But wait! It gets even better!
I talked to the CSR who said that... there was no information in her system that a delivery had been attempted, and it was still scheduled to be delivered between 5 and 8 p.m. today.
You can better bet that I pulled a screen shot of the FUITX web page...
She entered all of the information into the system and reconfirmed that it will be delivered today sometime between 5 and 8 p.m.
So... betting time guys.
What's the over/under on whether it will actually get to me today?
I'm betting... NO. It won't.
And you can better bet that if it doesn't I'm calling Visa and reversing that charge for a service not provided.
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First thing this morning I go to the tracking information and... FuckedupintheExcess tried to deliver it at 9 a.m. but no one was home, so they'd try to deliver it the next business day (Monday). Or, I could pick it up at their hub!
You can better bet that I made a phone call on that.
But wait! It gets even better!
I talked to the CSR who said that... there was no information in her system that a delivery had been attempted, and it was still scheduled to be delivered between 5 and 8 p.m. today.
Recently had that very thing happen to me. I'm starting to think that's a weird Fedex thing.
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Now you know why I call them FuckedupintheExcess.
And not fondly at all.
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no gun yet?
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Yes, it was delivered around 6:30. List of parts that was replaced. Need to sit down and take a look at the list
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All that was replaced was the striker spring and the spring guide.
Not sure when I'll be able to get it out to the range, but man I still love how this thing fits in my hand.
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OK, FINALLY was able to get back out to the range with the repaired CCP. Took a couple hundred rounds of WWB 115 gr FMJ and a box of Ranger 147 gr JHP.
I put about 100 rounds through it with only one bobble, a failure to fully chamber a round. That might have been me as I was concentrating on not death gripping the gun and I might have had it just a bit too loose.
The trigger is very funky and I was having problems getting used to it but I was tightening my groups up by the end. Recoil is pretty light, even with 147s, but it really needs a heat shield above the trigger as it gets very hot there due to the delayed blowback piston.
It's a fairly long trigger reset, but that's OK because I'm really used to revolvers in that sense.
The one thing I don't much like about it is the shield behind the magazine release. It makes it rather difficult to release quickly.
Safety could use a bit more of a positive detent, but that's not a big deal.
All in all, I really like this gun. I was really upset when it crapped out so quickly on me during my first range trip, and I fully intend to put it through a couple more range sessions before I start carrying it, but I'm really hoping that it pans out. It's pretty much everything I want in a primary carry gun.
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Outstanding! Glad to hear it is working out so far.
I had a pistol get returned last month. It does feel good to have it back and working. Like getting a new one.