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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: just Warren on November 06, 2018, 12:48:37 PM
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I've always liked the looks of Brutalist architecture. (https://www.google.com/search?q=brutalist+architecture&safe=off&client=firefox-b-1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiH6Izvp8DeAhUsFjQIHTi4Bb0Q_AUIEigB&biw=1366&bih=636)
Have never had to live or work in such a building though, so that might change my opinion.
Anyone here have to live or work in a Brutalist building?
My favorite styles are Deco and Craftsman with brick-centric Craftsman being what I would have built for my own home.
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Anyone here have to live or work in a Brutalist building?
I used to work in one. I think the pillars and overhang on the the first floor was a waste of foot print space.
(https://www.cardcow.com/images/set315/card00161_fr.jpg)
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Yep, I worked in one for a number of years.
Compared to the exterior, the interior was FAR more brutal... Place needed to be gutted, burned, and gutted again.
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I never heard of "brutalist" architecture.
I sorta wish I never had.
It's sort of .... well, the best I can say is indifferent. Some of it is weird. A few look downright unbalanced.
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(https://www.cardcow.com/images/set315/card00161_fr.jpg)
Glorious architectural triumph of Soviet Central Committee.
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I used to work in one. I think the pillars and overhang on the in the first floor was a waste of foot print space.
(https://www.cardcow.com/images/set315/card00161_fr.jpg)
Most college dormitories I've seen look like that.
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(https://www.cardcow.com/images/set315/card00161_fr.jpg)
My college library looked like that. For a moment I thought it WAS that library ........ ;/
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Glorious architectural triumph of Soviet Central Committee.
That's the first thing that came to mind for me, too.
Whenever I've been in a building of that style, I have always had an uncomfortable feeling. I just wanted to get my business done and get out. Maybe that is by design as they have almost always been government buildings.
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I used to work in one. I think the pillars and overhang on the the first floor was a waste of foot print space.
(https://www.cardcow.com/images/set315/card00161_fr.jpg)
Not beautiful but, as an architect, I would not classify that as an example of Brutalist architecture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brutalist_architecture
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I work in one. It is ugly, but I am used to it.
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I lurvs me some art deco but, also being painfully utilitarian, don't really care what kind of building it is so long as it works for its intended purpose.
Brad
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Isn't brutalist one of the schools where what normal people like is wrong, so we'll go out of our way to offend their sensibilities until they accept our "progressive" art?
Or, put another way:
Glorious architectural triumph of Soviet Central Committee.
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Not beautiful but, as an architect, I would not classify that as an example of Brutalist architecture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brutalist_architecture
What would you classify it as?
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Its like they took Bauhaus architecture and somehow made it uglier and more soulless.
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Somebody thought it was a thing sometime. My opinion of architects is that they believe their primary purpose is building monuments to themselves. At any cost and any magnitude of ugly.
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The first thing I think of when I see this type of building is either in Soviet Russia, building brutal you; or some classic 60's and 70's science fiction TV shows or movies showing cities of the future.
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What would you classify it as?
Post modern drec.
It's not brutal enough to be Brutalism, and the articulation of the wondow surrounds disqualifies it. Brutalism is slabs and blocks of concrete. If you need a door or a window -- punch a hole in the concrete but, whatever you do, don't embellish it with anything that adds detail or scale. In fact, most of the photos in that opening link aren't really Brutalism.
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I picked my college because of the architecture. All bare cement and hard lines. There were actually a few interior staircases that ended at bare walls. The classrooms were terrible; but the dorms, dining hall and library were amazing. Legend was that the architect was committed to an asylum 3/4 of the way through construction.
It's Trent University, they've filmed a couple of horror movies there including Urban Legend Final Cut.
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Post modern drec.
It's not brutal enough to be Brutalism, and the articulation of the wondow surrounds disqualifies it. Brutalism is slabs and blocks of concrete. If you need a door or a window -- punch a hole in the concrete but, whatever you do, don't embellish it with anything that adds detail or scale. In fact, most of the photos in that opening link aren't really Brutalism.
I disagree on post modern deconstruction.
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Popular style used in government buildings and welfare housing projects.
Never became very popular in the market comprised of living human beings who appreciate beauty.
Pure soul and spirit crushing utility with no aesthetics or touch of the human “spirit”. That’s why bureaucrats were drawn to the style.
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Does this qualify?
https://www.google.com/search?(https://www.emporis.com/images/show/205584-Large-exterior-view-from-the-hyatt-regency.jpg)
I hated the way it looked on the outside, and it is easily the ugliest building in the city. It was fine inside. As fine as it could be anyways for each floor being a cube farm, essentially. But we did have windows.
Edited to include embedded img
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I like it. (Yes, maybe I'm a bit weird.)
How was it for climate control? Did the windows open or were you stuck with whatever the central system gave you?
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I like it. (Yes, maybe I'm a bit weird.)
How was it for climate control? Did the windows open or were you stuck with whatever the central system gave you?
Everything inside the building in terms of systems and furnishings was completely up to date, so it was plenty cool. A lot of the building used to be inhabited by BB&T, so there were a couple floors that had opulent panel wood walls and marble floors.
It is considered a
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Everything inside the building in terms of systems and furnishings was completely up to date, so it was plenty cool. A lot of the building used to be inhabited by BB&T, so there were a couple floors that had opulent panel wood walls and marble floors.
It is considered a
Sure beats being considered b. ???
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A vs. B on the Walking Dead?
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Popular style used in government buildings and welfare housing projects.
Never became very popular in the market comprised of living human beings who appreciate beauty.
Pure soul and spirit crushing utility with no aesthetics or touch of the human “spirit”. That’s why bureaucrats were drawn to the style.
The office building directly behind the Illinois State Capitol, where a lot of the legistlators have offices, is hideous. Back when I was going to the IGOLD rally, that was where I would enter the complex. A triumph of Soviet architecture. If I can remember the name I'll post a pic.
The Stratton Building (http://oac.ilga.gov/buildings.asp?building=Stratton). They seem proud of it.
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.disarranging.com%2Freview%2Farchives%2Fphoto%2F2005%2F11%2Fstratton_office_building.jpg&hash=03edd780ca2e9a8784e77287226055f04c47ae03)
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Stratton Office Building. (http://www.disarranging.com/review/archives/001511.php)
Looks like a hospital near where I grew up. Not a good looking building. Probably looked worn out as soon as it was finished.
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Well that's embarassing.
The Landmark Building, formerly the Daniel Building, is considered a major...wait for it...LANDMARK in my city. However I much prefer the Liberty Building.
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.greenvilledailyphoto.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F07%2FDSC03279.jpg&hash=39107474c37f154ae7662b1eb6f9bfe7c1314de0)
https://www.google.com/search?safe=strict&biw=1272&bih=909&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=4X3jW5LFKc22zwK0uxc&q=greenville+sc+liberty+building&oq=greenville+sc+liberty+building&gs_l=img.3...17777.21865..22063...1.0..0.51.766.18......1....1..gws-wiz-img.......0j0i67j0i30j0i5i30j0i8i30j0i24.oietYHMUKdA
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The office building directly behind the Illinois State Capitol, where a lot of the legistlators have offices, is hideous. Back when I was going to the IGOLD rally, that was where I would enter the complex. A triumph of Soviet architecture. If I can remember the name I'll post a pic.
The Stratton Building (http://oac.ilga.gov/buildings.asp?building=Stratton). They seem proud of it.
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.disarranging.com%2Freview%2Farchives%2Fphoto%2F2005%2F11%2Fstratton_office_building.jpg&hash=03edd780ca2e9a8784e77287226055f04c47ae03)
Ugly as sin but, IMHO, far too much glass to be Brutalism. I will hazard a guess that the concrete spandrels (the horizontal bands separating the bands of windows) aren't structural, they're most likely precast panels bolted to a steel structure. That alone disqualifies it from being Brutalist. In Brutalist architecture, the structure is all concrete and it's exposed, even emphasized.
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A vs. B on the Walking Dead?
You'll have to ask Jocassee.
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Did someone mention "soul crushing architecture"?
This is Downtown Tulsa.
The ugly, two-tone dogshit brown buildingjust to the right of center is where I spend 8+ hours every day. The interior is as inviting as the exterior.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4894/45773696361_374b74956a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2cJSacp)
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^^^All of those phone switching/internet server farm buildings look similar. Almost like a blockhouse: big concrete cubes with few windows. I wonder why that is.
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^^^All of those phone switching/internet server farm buildings look similar. Almost like a blockhouse: big concrete cubes with few windows. I wonder why that is.
Some were hardened to survive a nuclear attack
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^^^All of those phone switching/internet server farm buildings look similar. Almost like a blockhouse: big concrete cubes with few windows. I wonder why that is.
Because they are mostly occupied by electronic equipment, not people. There's no need for windows that people can look out of, and less glass makes it easier and more economical to regulate the interior climate.
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Most of the equipment spaces are on the "right hand" (east) side of the building, the side with the most windows.
It's a 12 story building, more or less, we have equipment on 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 9 and 10. The back-up generators are on "13". The rest of the building is office space and call centers. It's only about 30% occupied these days.
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http://mynorthwest.com/1029602/seattle-nsa-spy-hub/?
There is an AT&T building in downtown Seattle that is supposed to be some sort of major switch point for the Internet and telecommunications. The NSA is supposed to have an operation there.
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My local horror show is the Gruening Building (https://uaf.edu/campusmap/for-visitors/buildings/gruening/) on campus.
(https://www.alaska.edu/uajourney/buildings/gruening-building/Gruening.jpg)
Not designed to be a fortress? The features on the 2nd/3rd floor are designed to limit the effectiveness of gunfire against the building's occupants.
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Brutalism:
(https://static.dezeen.com/uploads/2014/09/Yale-Building-by-Paul-Rudolph_dezeen_468_3.jpg)
The Yale School of Architecture building. Everything is concrete -- the exterior, the interior, the walls, the floors, and many of the ceilings. In this photo, the tower just right of center and everything to the left is the building. Whatever building that is to the right, with the glass and metal, isn't part of the original Paul Rudolph School of Architecture building. (I think it may be a later addition.)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Yale_Art_and_Architecture_Building%2C_October_20%2C_2008.jpg)
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2008/08/28/arts/design/28yale3.lrg.jpg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolph_Hall
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Brutalism:
(https://static.dezeen.com/uploads/2014/09/Yale-Building-by-Paul-Rudolph_dezeen_468_3.jpg)
The Yale School of Architecture building. Everything is concrete -- the exterior, the interior, the walls, the floors, and many of the ceilings. In this photo, the tower just right of center and everything to the left is the building. Whatever building that is to the right, with the glass and metal, isn't part of the original Paul Rudolph School of Architecture building. (I think it may be a later addition.)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Yale_Art_and_Architecture_Building%2C_October_20%2C_2008.jpg)
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2008/08/28/arts/design/28yale3.lrg.jpg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolph_Hall
That one's kind of nice. Sort of future dystopian looking or something.
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That one's kind of nice. Sort of future dystopian looking or something.
That sums up what Brutalism is fairly well. "Dystopian."
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There's the old Chicago Post Office. (The Eisenhower Expressway, I-290, runs through it, or underneath it, whatever).
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Old_Post_Office.JPG/1200px-Old_Post_Office.JPG)
Then that triumph of state planning and architecture: Cabrini Green of the Chicago Housing Authority (based on the Soviet "Stack-a-Prole" model of housing poor people.)
When new:
(https://chicagoganghistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/cabrini-green-1950s.jpg)
After 50+ years of government management:
(https://chicagoganghistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/cabrini-green1.jpg)
And yes, that is chain-link fencing on all the floors in the two middle walkways after Eric Morse (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-941015-eric-morse-story.html) was murdered.
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Then that triumph of state planning and architecture: Cabrini Green of the Chicago Housing Authority (based on the Soviet the "Stack-a-Prole" model of housing poor people.)
I remember doing a little suburbanite tourism in Chicago with some Chicago friends while in college. Cabrini Green was still standing, and I remember what looked like every 10th or so window in any building in the area had obvious fire damage around it.
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There's the old Chicago Post Office. (The Eisenhower Expressway, I-290, runs through it, or underneath it, whatever).
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Old_Post_Office.JPG/1200px-Old_Post_Office.JPG)
I've walked by the north side of that building many, many times and never realized that the expressway went through it.
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Brutalism is absolutely ghastly.
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Still has an appeal to me, though.
There's just something about it. Maybe it's fortress-like qualities make it attractive to me. I do love castles, too. And bunker systems and the Maginot Wall.
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Some of the dorms where I went to school.
(https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/j94/Calumus/0/c3e50814-92bc-43b9-b054-b0f6a18f88c4-original.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://beta.photobucket.com/u/Calumus/p/c3e50814-92bc-43b9-b054-b0f6a18f88c4)
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Crosley Tower on the University of Cincinnati main campus.
(https://i.imgur.com/lreBowH.jpg)
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Crosley Tower on the University of Cincinnati main campus.
(https://i.imgur.com/lreBowH.jpg)
Perfect for
- jumping off of
- an "ensconced position" (for a little while)
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Some of the dorms where I went to school.
(https://beta-static.photobucket.com/images/j94/Calumus/0/c3e50814-92bc-43b9-b054-b0f6a18f88c4-original.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://beta.photobucket.com/u/Calumus/p/c3e50814-92bc-43b9-b054-b0f6a18f88c4)
What school is that ??
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What school is that ??
Trent University in Ontario, Canada.
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I believe this used to be an AT&T facility in Westminster Co. Gigantimous antenna kind of broke up the outline. AFAIK, it was not steerable.
(https://www.griffincapital.com/assets/images/EA%20Property%20Profile%20Images/Digital%20Globe/DigitalGlobe_PR.jpg)
I always wondered what satellite might be ~30° up from 40-ish° latitude and ~105° longitude, with the antenna pointing pretty much due true north, but never bothered to check.
Maybe it's just pointed at ITF* 894.
REF (Just details on the sale of the building, nothing really technical):
https://www.griffincapital.com/griffin-capital-essential-asset-reit/news-and-filings/2014-press-releases/digitalglobe-acquisition
* Interstellar Task Force
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I believe this used to be an AT&T facility in Westminster Co. Gigantimous antenna kind of broke up the outline. AFAIK, it was not steerable.
(https://www.griffincapital.com/assets/images/EA%20Property%20Profile%20Images/Digital%20Globe/DigitalGlobe_PR.jpg)
Interesting, but with an all-glass curtain wall not Brutalism, by definition. I think many of you are confusing the purely ugly with what the Brutalist style really is.
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Well, you're right. But any time buildings come up I think of that place.
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I believe this used to be an AT&T facility in Westminster Co. Gigantimous antenna kind of broke up the outline. AFAIK, it was not steerable.
(https://www.griffincapital.com/assets/images/EA%20Property%20Profile%20Images/Digital%20Globe/DigitalGlobe_PR.jpg)
I always wondered what satellite might be ~30° up from 40-ish° latitude and ~105° longitude, with the antenna pointing pretty much due true north, but never bothered to check.
Maybe it's just pointed at ITF* 894.
REF (Just details on the sale of the building, nothing really technical):
https://www.griffincapital.com/griffin-capital-essential-asset-reit/news-and-filings/2014-press-releases/digitalglobe-acquisition
* Interstellar Task Force
Actually, that's the old Acetel-Lucent (formerly Lucent, formerly Bell Labs) building in Lisle, Illinois that was sold to Navistar to become their new corporate HQ. It's on Warrenville Rd. in Lisle.
https://www.cpexecutive.com/post/navistar-finally-closes-on-purchase-of-1-2m-sf-alcatel-lucent-campus-in-suburban-chicago/
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Oops! Holy cow, there are two buildings like that?
Anyhow, this is the one in the Denver/Westminster/Arvada area to which I was referring. The one shown above popped up and looked just like the one with which I was familiar.
https://youtu.be/8YAsfygvXGE (3:30, drone images.)
I can't seem to conveniently find the stills and satellite views of the building any more, but I had daily business nearby for a week or so.
Anyhow,
(https://2ahawaii.com/Smileys/extended/stopjack.gif)
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And no, those weren't "satellite dishes". Just windows, (I've been in the Navistar building). Which I found to be an ugly design.
Then there is the old Lucent "west" building, just down Warrenville Rd on the northwest corner with Naperville Rd.
http://www.krjda.com/Sites/LucentNapInfo1.html
https://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20160811/CRED03/160819976/nokia-wants-to-sell-former-alcatel-lucent-building-in-naperville
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"And no, those weren't 'satellite dishes'. Just windows..."
That's what they want you to think.... [tinfoil]
>:D =D
Well, that's enufa that, I guess.
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Perfect for
- jumping off of
- an "ensconced position" (for a little while)
Both good points...They are going to tear it down in the near future as it doesn't fit in with the campus master plan.
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I would say that this is is your fault Warren, but we all know it's fistful's fault. https://mymodernmet.com/brutalist-architecture/
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There are some nice buildings at that link.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/27/world/asia/singapore-brutalist-buildings.html