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Obama's interesting choice of confrontational words...
« on: August 20, 2008, 05:06:27 AM »
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Let me be clear: I will let no one question my love of this country, Obama said to applause.

Really, Barry? You won't LET them?

Or you'll meet any such accusations by defending yourself? No, you won't LET them.

Says it all, to me...

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/20/combative-obama/

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Re: Obama's interesting choice of confrontational words...
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2008, 06:04:43 AM »
What a whiner!
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Re: Obama's interesting choice of confrontational words...
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2008, 06:07:20 AM »
You're splitting semantic hairs.

You know exactly what he means, it's a common usage pattern he's employing.

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Re: Obama's interesting choice of confrontational words...
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2008, 06:08:54 AM »
Please don't use mine to do it.
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Re: Obama's interesting choice of confrontational words...
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2008, 06:31:25 AM »
You're splitting semantic hairs.

You know exactly what he means, it's a common usage pattern he's employing.

Get the BBQ tongs and pick your undies out of your sphincter.

I don't think so, being that he used the exact same wording in that he would not LET people question Michelle's politics, even when she was being very public about them.

To me, it's a demonstration of character of a socialist. An honorable sort would say "I will defend my patriotism against any who question it."

What does someone in love with passing laws and bans say, instead? That's what I see.

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Re: Obama's interesting choice of confrontational words...
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2008, 06:40:12 AM »
I had the same undie wadding reaction. His tone was pretty aggressive and the underlying presumptive suggestion is now that anyone who does question his love for the country is some dirty underhanded scoundrel trying to assassinate his character unfairly. I think his love for country could stand some questioning especially since his adorable wife was never proud of America until her husband ran for president.
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Re: Obama's interesting choice of confrontational words...
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2008, 06:44:17 AM »
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Let me be clear: I will let no one question my love of this country, Obama said to applause.

Hi, Barry.  Kirk here.  Not only do I question your love for this country under our Constitution, I know you and Michelle both believe that the Constitution is a phase that this country must "move past".

So, I question your love for this country and your seriousness in supporting and defending the Constitution.
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Re: Obama's interesting choice of confrontational words...
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2008, 06:52:15 AM »
BHO can yawp all he wants.  People think what they think, whether they are saying it or not.  There will be a LOT of people--and not just "liberals"--whose patriotism is going to be questioned in the times ahead.  They'd better get used to it.  Things are too serious to appeal to good table manners.  The fact is, a lot of people have been getting away with bloody murder in terms of undermining this nation's spirit.
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Re: Obama's interesting choice of confrontational words...
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2008, 06:57:49 AM »
To recycle some of Mtnbkr's words...

"Do you look for things to be simultaneously outraged and superior about?"

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Re: Obama's interesting choice of confrontational words...
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2008, 07:53:03 AM »
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BHO can yawp all he wants.

The more the better Wink

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Re: Obama's interesting choice of confrontational words...
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2008, 07:55:38 AM »
You're splitting semantic hairs.

You know exactly what he means, it's a common usage pattern he's employing.

Get the BBQ tongs and pick your undies out of your sphincter.
Please don't use mine to do it.

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Re: Obama's interesting choice of confrontational words...
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2008, 08:13:10 AM »
Fine, use your fireplace tongs.

You so confrontational.

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Re: Obama's interesting choice of confrontational words...
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2008, 08:12:13 PM »
You're splitting semantic hairs.

You know exactly what he means, it's a common usage pattern he's employing.



I know what he means, and if he wasn't a U.S. Senator who might become President, I might have just taken it that way.  Imagine how this would go down if Bush had said it.  I also recalled his threats - yes, threats - to anyone who would criticize his wife's politics.  His choice of words, in both cases, was as belligerent as it was laughable.  And at about the same time, he warned McCain that "he doesn't know what he's dealing with," or some similar bluster.  This is the same thin-skinned dope who asked reporters not to make fun of his ears.  What an insecure little Kim Jong Il wannabe. 

Given his penchant for barking orders to the American public, one could almost say he's an unelected "dictator." 
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Re: Obama's interesting choice of confrontational words...
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2008, 12:23:57 PM »
If you have to keep defending yourself saying "don't question my patriotism."  Then there is a problem somewhere.
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Re: Obama's interesting choice of confrontational words...
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2008, 02:43:27 PM »
Oh, I think his base just loves the "don't question my patriotism" silliness.  Remember, questioning someone's patriotism is one of the base and terrible sins this country was founded to resist.  I'm sure it's in the Declaration of Independence, somewhere...
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Re: Obama's interesting choice of confrontational words...
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2008, 05:14:51 AM »
Eye woont let ne1 ? mai yuse ov proper grammer!

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Re: Obama's interesting choice of confrontational words...
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2008, 09:47:50 AM »
Eye woont let ne1 ? mai yuse ov proper grammer!

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Re: Obama's interesting choice of confrontational words...
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2008, 10:20:27 AM »
Fine, use your fireplace tongs.

You so confrontational.



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Re: Obama's interesting choice of confrontational words...
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2008, 12:02:03 PM »
I'm the first to poke fun at tin-foil-hattery, but I have to admit there is a pattern of arrogance and and air of inevitability the Obama campaign has worked very hard to create.

- The fake Obama "presidential seal" that they had to retract.

- The use of "Obama. President", in his TV/Web ads, rather than "Obama for President."

- And now this, "I won't let anyone question my patriotisim", rather than "I'm insulted/angry someone would question my patriotisim, and I am a patriot because of X, Y, and Z"

which would be the proper response in a political campaign, at least until now, it would seem...

Any by themselves is indeed small, and splitting hairs/semantics, but when it keeps coming  up again, and again, and again...  undecided
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Re: Obama's interesting choice of confrontational words...
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2008, 12:08:14 PM »
I'm the first to poke fun at tin-foil-hattery, but I have to admit there is a pattern of arrogance and and air of inevitability the Obama campaign has worked very hard to create.

- The fake Obama "presidential seal" that they had to retract.

- The use of "Obama. President", in his TV/Web ads, rather than "Obama for President."

- And now this, "I won't let anyone question my patriotisim", rather than "I'm insulted/angry someone would question my patriotisim, and I am a patriot because of X, Y, and Z"

which would be the proper response in a political campaign, at least until now, it would seem...

Any by themselves is indeed small, and splitting hairs/semantics, but when it keeps coming  up again, and again, and again...  undecided

Indeed - its amazing they keep doing it, since stuff like that (especially some of the pro-Obama posters, which are deeply suspicious in style) is a huge part of why the recent GOP ads have been so effective. 
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Re: Obama's interesting choice of confrontational words...
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2008, 02:18:33 PM »
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Indeed - its amazing they keep doing it, since stuff like that (especially some of the pro-Obama posters, which are deeply suspicious in style) is a huge part of why the recent GOP ads have been so effective.

Effective? How is retaining the lag 'effective'?
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Re: Obama's interesting choice of confrontational words...
« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2008, 05:01:40 PM »
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Indeed - its amazing they keep doing it, since stuff like that (especially some of the pro-Obama posters, which are deeply suspicious in style) is a huge part of why the recent GOP ads have been so effective.

Effective? How is retaining the lag 'effective'?

We've been over this.

1. There's a known effect in the U.S. with racial minority candidates overreporting in polling by anywhere from 1-5% simply because the polled is afraid to look racist to the pollster.

2. For all the hype over Obama as the second coming, for McCain to be as close as he is means it's not working. And before Labor Day in the U.S. only political/policy wonks like us are truly paying attention. The great unwashed masses of Americans are busy with summer vacations, the Olympics etc. They won't even begin to seriously spin the gears in their grey matter on the issue of the election until October, at the earliest.

3. There's a lot of circumstantial evidence that random phone polling is inherently flawed. They don't call cell-phones, and they don't call business numbers obviously, nor do they call late at night when more people are home. It skews results away from the er... productive class in America. i.e. people at work. And these phone polls catch a lot of elderly retirees, college kids, people on welfare etc.

So when you read American polling data, especially that which is filtered through the liberal-biased mainstream media, here's your guide:

Obama 5% ahead = roughly 50/50
Obama/McCain 50/50 = McCain ahead by 5%

Now granted, when middle-America wakes up and starts thinking about this, it could all shift back decisively to Obama, mainly over "Bush Fatigue". But there's a few things that throw a wrench in that.

- McCain's reputation as a moderate and a maverick will help him with the middle, that they're getting a "Different kind of Republican", much as Clinton managed to sell himself twice as a "Different kind of Democrat".

- His POW/war-hero credentials will help him with the remaining WWII/Depression era voters who might otherwise trend Democrat.

- With his long senate career, there's not a whole heck of a lot in his record that'll hurt him. He's pretty clean. Most of his real problems are things that piss off the conservative base.

- Oil, Gas prices. America knows which party is standing in the way of domestic exploration and drilling, and it is not the Republicans.

Obama on the other hand...

- The McCain campaign hasn't even started going after his associations with Rezzco, Rev. Wright, or Dr. Rashid Khalid/Hezbollah. All the damage he's taken so far has just been from the MSM which backs him. Wait until it gets brought back up in attack ads!

- Debates. McCain is good on his feet. Obama gives great speeches, but off the cuff, he's very, very weak. He even says things that are damaging. "Bitter Americans, religion & guns" etc. Michelle is worse.

- Defense/Terrorism. The American Middle knows Obama's weak on it, and McCain is stronger. Only the truly hard left honestly believes it does not matter, and 1/2 of the partisan left deludes themselves or has enough cognitive dissonance that Obama is just as good.

- Despite his short tenure, Obama has one of the most liberal voting records in the Senate. Each vote can be made into an advertisement to hurt him. OTOH, McCain, the "bad votes" are just pissing off his own base mostly, or is overly-complicated stuff that will have Americans scratching their heads and yawning in no time flat...
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