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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: AZRedhawk44 on January 21, 2011, 01:48:05 PM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348916/Hawaii-governor-says-Obamas-birth-record-exists-produce-it.html
what had been discovered was an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth that someone had made in the state archives and not a birth certificate.
And in the same interview Abercrombie suggested that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.
A long-form cert may not exist?
The GOVERNOR admits that a long-form cert may not exist?
The DEMOCRAT GOVERNOR admits that a long-form cert may not exist?
Are Democratic operatives slipping in their ability to forge proof of birth/death/citizenship paperwork? They've got a pet Governor who's been covering for this guy for almost 3 years, and they haven't found a piece of paper that exists for everyone else born in Hawaii, and they haven't slipped an acceptably aged one on appropriate period-specific paper stock into the stack?
How do you produce a COLB for a requester, if the long form record does not exist? Do you just print one with whatever info you want on it? What data is referenced to retrieve it?
Assuming the reference source is a computer database (and a government approved auditable database at that) it should have an entry date and user id that made the original entry, as well as a changelog of all users and dates that made any changes to the record. I'm sure the database didn't exist in 1961 for records to be entered as births were recorded, so paper records were hand-entered by someone, at some point between 1980 and perhaps 1995 or so as computers became affordable for more and more government agencies to digitize records (spitballing a guess).
I'd be very interested in the user id and datestamp history related to BHO's entries in that database.
Not that those can't be changed by a wily database admin... but it's a place to start. And even a wily database admin can get caught if the disk page history can be traced via the database transaction log, showing a page change on a T-log date that doesn't correspond with the data in the actual field. The only way to hide that is to destroy the T-log backup and let time handle the issue. If enough time goes by and the backup media is overwritten or destroyed, I don't think it could be proven.
How many people do you think have missing long-form certs in the records of the various States?
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i can name one other but you won't like it
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Nothing will come of this. However, it would be mildly entertaining if Obama was being setup by the left on this, just because.
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Plenty of Official People have sworn that they've seen Barry O's birth cert, that it exists and shows nothing out of the ordinary.
Now the new Governor says he can't find it? Isn't this the same guy who said he was there at the time and saw the birth himself, and then later had to admit he was lying?
Something doesn't add up here. Either there's a fake birth cert floating around that doesn't appear int he original records, or those earlier Official People were lying, or the current Gov is lying, or the current gov is incompetent and can't find the cert even though it's still right where it should be.
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And if there really isn't a valid birth cert on file for Barry, why on earth would they admit that publicly?
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Sigh. I have told you people over and over. The usual paperwork was skipped, due to the unusual circumstances of His birth. In a stable in Bethlehem.
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Sigh. I have told you people over and over. The usual paperwork was skipped, due to the unusual circumstances of His birth. In a stable in Bethlehem.
No no no. His spaceship crashed in a cornfield after traveling from the planet Krypton.
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Now the new Governor says he can't find it? Isn't this the same guy who said he was there at the time and saw the birth himself, and then later had to admit he was lying?
Did he admit he was lying?
From the Article:
'It's a matter of principle with me,' the 72-year-old said. 'I knew his mum and dad. I was here when he was born. Anybody who wants to ask a question honestly could have had their answer already.'
Although I guess that could be read as "here" being the state.
i can name one other but you won't like it
George Washington? Why do you have to smear him so much this week? =D
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up till about 1980 i could get copies of "the long form" after that i get same as he shows
do birthers realize how silly they come off?
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up till about 1980 i could get copies of "the long form" after that i get same as he shows
Yes, but supposedly, if you go to Hawaii, the long form is still in a vault somewhere.
do birthers realize how silly they come off?
No, I don't think they do.
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Under existing law, the son of a U.S. citizen is defined as a native-born citizen even if they are born outside the United States. Obama would be still a valid candidate had there been documented evidence he was born on the Moon.
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Did he admit he was lying?
Yep, he did.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/01/will_obama_silence_blundering.html
"Maybe I'm the only one in the country," Abercrombie told the Los Angeles Times just before Christmas, "that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, 'I was here when that baby was born.'"
A few days later, Abercrombie clarified to Mark Niesse of the Associated Press that he didn't exactly see Obama's parents with their newborn son at the hospital, but that he "remembers seeing Obama as a child with his parents at social events."
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I have a sneaking suspicion the real reason is that it's the information on the certificate is embarrassing, such as listing his race as "White/Caucasian", Religion "Muslim" if the certs in HI recorded it back then, or even some falsehood or omission as to who the father was.
The usual stuff that anyone who does more than a passing amount of genealogy knows happens in birth certs, and wedding licenses to cover up awkward things, up until maybe the 1970's when computerization, and lessening social stigmas began to see such fibbing wane. A young white woman in 1960's America, giving birth to a mixed-race baby, with a black, non-Christian, non-American father pretty much fits the bill.
And they're having a "don't mistake incompetence for malice" sort of ham-handed cover-up, that now must perpetuate itself, simply because that's what's been done before. And possibly, the scandal/controversy they know is easier to deal with than starting up a new one once the ugly info comes to light.
Besides... Who the #&%@ really wants to hear the words "President Biden"? =|
IMO, if there really ever were any disqualifying info, it would have come out in the "dirty pool" phase of the DNC primaries.
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His spaceship crashed in a cornfield after traveling from the planet Krypton.
Actually, I think it was Klepto.
Klaatu Baracko nicto.
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Two words for the Birthers:
President
Biden.
Be afraid.
Be very afraid. :laugh:
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I know what happened the the long form cert. It was being shipped from D.C., where it was for some reason, to L.A. then it would be flown back to Hawaii.
Unfortunately, it was on American Airways Flight 77 out of Dulles on September 11th, 2001. It was never found in the wreckage or debris because that plane never actually hit the Pentagon. Inexplicably it was replaced by either a smaller plane or a missile. The original plane? It, along with all of its crew, and passengers, and cargo just...disappeared.
Case closed. Can we move on now?
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Under existing law, the son of a U.S. citizen is defined as a native-born citizen even if they are born outside the United States. Obama would be still a valid candidate had there been documented evidence he was born on the Moon.
I, too, would like to see the original, but this is why the birthers are both nutty and dumb.
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[tinfoil] I still think Obama is a Klingon ...... :lol: ;)
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I have a sneaking suspicion the real reason is that it's the information on the certificate is embarrassing, such as listing his race as "White/Caucasian", Religion "Muslim" if the certs in HI recorded it back then, or even some falsehood or omission as to who the father was.
The usual stuff that anyone who does more than a passing amount of genealogy knows happens in birth certs, and wedding licenses to cover up awkward things, up until maybe the 1970's when computerization, and lessening social stigmas began to see such fibbing wane. A young white woman in 1960's America, giving birth to a mixed-race baby, with a black, non-Christian, non-American father pretty much fits the bill.
The 'embarrassing info' thought seems fairly plausible. Being the very un-PC 60's it'd most likely be written as colored, negro, or possibly even mulatto. Also with the particular region of Africa being in close proximity to the middle east, and with a good portion actually defined as "Arab-African" there is the very scant possibility that the clerk might have typed "arab" under race. Now wouldn't that shake a few trees! :lol: Then again it could also be something as mundane as "Father: Unknown."
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It's been my theory since the election that it says something along the lines of "Race: White".
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I think some poohbah in DC deemed the topic of some danger during the '12 election and therefore needs to be managed to the "old news" or "discredited reports" category. So keep coming up with stories going nowhere. Keep the birthers chasing shadows. Create a time worn patina to cover the entire topic. Presto chango? Nothin' to see here, folks. Move along.
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Under existing law, the son of a U.S. citizen is defined as a native-born citizen even if they are born outside the United States. Obama would be still a valid candidate had there been documented evidence he was born on the Moon.
But the children of illegal aliens, they aren't citizens of their own countries. :facepalm:
This just in: From the longform, Obama was born with a tail and horns. Removed at birth. :laugh:
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But the children of illegal aliens, they aren't citizens of their own countries. :facepalm:
This just in: From the longform, Obama was born with a tail and horns. Removed at birth. :laugh:
They save 'em and graft them onto Michelle?
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Under existing law, the son of a U.S. citizen is defined as a native-born citizen even if they are born outside the United States. Obama would be still a valid candidate had there been documented evidence he was born on the Moon.
My understanding is that his mother was not qualified, by age & residential status, to grant citizenship on a chid born outside of the US.
And no, I don't think I qualify a a BIRTHER though I'd like to know why so much money has been spent to hide any aspect of O's past. School records, college records, all hidden.
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If I have to show a Notorized birth cert for my son to play baseball and soccer in a podunk small town, I don't see what the big deal is to have the POTUS produce one to prove his eligibility to be President of 350 Million people.
Quite frankly i wouldn't give a rat's patoot if there weren't such a cover up and obfuscation the POTUS' birth cert.
Does that make me a birther? Don't know, don't care. I'm tired of being lied to.
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if you produced what we've seen from obama it would suffice to get your kid in lil league
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If Obama went through Oxy on a foreign student scholarship, claiming he was one, he's got some problems worse than birth issues.
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if you produced what we've seen from obama it would suffice to get your kid in lil league
I'm sure million$ spent on lawyers would. lol
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I, too, would like to see the original, but this is why the birthers are both nutty and dumb.
I agree most birthers don't look good and are their own worst enemy, but the most entertaining part of all this is the reaction to it by the Democrats and liberals. They would best just ignore it, but they can't. I always figured he was born here and was eligible to be President. The birther's claims were interesting, but most entertaining was seeing how the Democrats can't seem to deal with a constant thorn in their side and stay on the high road.
Do any of you think this is comparable to people going after Bush II over his National Guard record? Since it was a Republican, the media was all over that story and wouldn't let it go until Rather's memo was exposed a hoax.
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I agree most birthers don't look good and are their own worst enemy, but the most entertaining part of all this is the reaction to it by the Democrats and liberals. They would best just ignore it, but they can't. I always figured he was born here and was eligible to be President. The birther's claims were interesting, but most entertaining was seeing how the Democrats can't seem to deal with a constant thorn in their side and stay on the high road.
Do any of you think this is comparable to people going after Bush II over his National Guard record? Since it was a Republican, the media was all over that story and wouldn't let it go until Rather's memo was exposed a hoax.
I absolutely do.
Or... Of course things revolving around FIGHTER PLANES are so lax in the military that you can just "not show up" for your duties. And you can even be a complete idiot and fly one. ;/
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I have a sneaking suspicion the real reason is that it's the information on the certificate is embarrassing, such as listing his race as "White/Caucasian", Religion "Muslim" if the certs in HI recorded it back then, or even some falsehood or omission as to who the father was.
That could be more than merely embarassing. Here in the USA, we have freedom of religion - if Obama says he's Christian, we accept that and take him at his word for it - it's his choice, after all. And, lacking HARD evidence to the contrary, most of the rest of the world is ready to pretend it's a non-issue.
But if his birth certificate says he was Moslem, then it will be impossible for anyone to pretend otherwise . . . sure, most Moslems will shrug and shake their heads in disapproval, but a couple of hundred million screaming beards will regard him as the apostate leader of the Great Satan, and work themselves into a lather.
Kamikaze jihadis, anyone?
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if you produced what we've seen from obama it would suffice to get your kid in lil league
Only in a rural farming community; who else would accept an unlimited supply of fertilizer as a bribe?
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But if his birth certificate says he was Moslem, t
sorry to disappoint but my birth cert from same hospital same era does not list religion
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But if his birth certificate says he was Moslem, t
sorry to disappoint but my birth cert from same hospital same era does not list religion
And if Obama's document were made public, it wouldn't be a matter for speculation now, would it?
With all the fuss and furor, you have to ask yourself the question . . . if there's nothing to hide, why is BHO behaving as if there was?
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distraction? plus it serves to cast a certain segment of his opposition as the lunatic fringe
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distraction? plus it serves to cast a certain segment of his opposition as the lunatic fringe
This. X 10. Anyone notice that it seems to pop up just when the left is taking a beating over something?
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My understanding is that his mother was not qualified, by age & residential status, to grant citizenship on a chid born outside of the US.
And no, I don't think I qualify a a BIRTHER though I'd like to know why so much money has been spent to hide any aspect of O's past. School records, college records, all hidden.
Her Highness The First Lady Hillary locked away her past during the Clinton regime in a similar fashion.
It would be easy, and cheap, to lay it all to rest. Just produce the document.
Don't know, don't care. I'm tired of being lied to.
Eeee-yup.
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http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/01/a-new-twist-in-obama-birth-certificate-mystery.html (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/01/a-new-twist-in-obama-birth-certificate-mystery.html)
Interesting view from Pam Geller.
She basically says that Obama is a US citizen but thinks he has embarrassing stuff on the COLB. Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro and had his name changed to Barry Soetoro. According to the laws at the time his name change would be added to the COLB. He never filed papers to change his name back to Barack Hussein Obama, jr. "most likely because he used “Barry Soetoro” on all of his student aid applications for college, and probably received foreign student grants and admissions assistance playing off his years living in Indonesia".
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Under existing law, the son of a U.S. citizen is defined as a native-born citizen even if they are born outside the United States. Obama would be still a valid candidate had there been documented evidence he was born on the Moon.
Former Connecticut senator and governor Lowell Weicker was born in France, IIRC. His parents were both Americans, but he was not born in the United States. And back when he was still senator, I'm fairly certain he investigated a run for President and concluded that he was NOT eligible because he had been born in France.
Gotta fire up the Google machine and check that out. Being a dedicated conspiracy theorist, I'm certain Obama is hiding something ... I just don't know what.
{Edit to add]Well, I found one article that says Weicker was born in France and commissioned a legal analysis of the question when he considered a run for President. But the article (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mccain.html) says the analysis concluded that he was eligible. I was living in Connecticut at the time, and that's NOT the way I remember it.
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http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Article2
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
How do we define "natural born"?
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Birth abroad to one United States citizen
A person born on or after November 14, 1986, is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:[7]
1. One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person in question was born
2. The citizen parent lived at least five years in the United States before the child's birth
3. A minimum of two of these five years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.
INA 301(g) makes additional provisions to satisfy the physical-presence requirements for periods citizens spent abroad in “honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization”. Additionally citizens who spent time living abroad as the “dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person” in any of the previously mentioned organizations can also be counted.
A person's record of birth abroad, if registered with a U.S. consulate or embassy, is proof of citizenship. Such a person may also apply for a passport or a Certificate of Citizenship to have a record of citizenship. Such documentation is often useful to prove citizenship in lieu of the availability of an American birth certificate.
Different rules apply for persons born abroad to one U.S. citizen before November 14, 1986. United States law on this subject changed multiple times throughout the twentieth century, and the law is applicable as it existed at the time of the individual's birth.
For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true [7]:
1. One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person in question was born
2. The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth;
3. A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.
Mama Obama wasn't old enough to pass #3. If he was in fact not born in Hawaii, then he is not a citizen, despite his mom being a citizen.
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CNYC, the question wasn't "Who is a citizen?" the question was "Who is a natural born citizen?" Obviously, if the mother wasn't old enough to qualify him as a citizen at all, the "natural born" part doesn't matter. But the definition of "natural born" disappeared sometime around 1795, and it has been a subtle, mostly unaddressed question ever since.
The question may (or may not) also apply to John McCain (born in the Panama Canal Zone), Lowell Weicker (born in Paris, past tense, I doubt he'll run again), and Mitt Romney (born in Mexico).
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CNYC, the question wasn't "Who is a citizen?" the question was "Who is a natural born citizen?" Obviously, if the mother wasn't old enough to qualify him as a citizen at all, the "natural born" part doesn't matter. But the definition of "natural born" disappeared sometime around 1795, and it has been a subtle, mostly unaddressed question ever since.
The question may (or may not) also apply to John McCain (born in the Panama Canal Zone), Lowell Weicker (born in Paris, past tense, I doubt he'll run again), and Mitt Romney (born in Mexico).
Ah. I was addressing claims that he could have been born on the moon, as long as his mother was a citizen.
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CNYC, the question wasn't "Who is a citizen?" the question was "Who is a natural born citizen?" Obviously, if the mother wasn't old enough to qualify him as a citizen at all, the "natural born" part doesn't matter. But the definition of "natural born" disappeared sometime around 1795, and it has been a subtle, mostly unaddressed question ever since.
The question may (or may not) also apply to John McCain (born in the Panama Canal Zone), Lowell Weicker (born in Paris, past tense, I doubt he'll run again), and Mitt Romney (born in Mexico).
So, you're saying that "natural born" refers to geographical location of the birth?
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The question may (or may not) also apply to John McCain (born in the Panama Canal Zone),
I believe I read that a congressional panel actually looked into the circumstances of McCain's birth the first time he ran, and determined that since at the time of his birth his mother was a citizen, his father was a citizen (Active duty U.S. Navy) and his birth took place in a US military hospital on a US military base in the Panama Canal Zone which was under US control at the time, he qualified as a natural born US citizen.
I don't believe Obama has been subjected to this level of inquiry.
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If Obama went through Oxy on a foreign student scholarship, claiming he was one, he's got some problems worse than birth issues.
http://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=2234&mn=458426&pt=msg&mid=11998316
Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school. The transcript from Occidental College shows that Obama (Barry Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship (scholarship) for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program – an international educational exchange program sponsored by the U.S. government. Grants are available for U.S. citizens to go abroad and for non-U.S. citizens with no U.S. permanent residence to come to the U.S. To qualify, for the non-US citizen scholarship to study in the U.S., a student applicant must claim and provide proof of foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama’s detractors have been seeking. The United States Constitution requires that Presidents (and Vice Presidents) of the United States be natural born citizens of the United States.
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I want it to be true.
I also want a winning lottery ticket.
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If true, that seems more like proof that Obama defrauded the grant people than that he's not a citizen.
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If true, that seems more like proof that Obama defrauded the grant people than that he's not a citizen.
He didn't defraud anyone. People believed what they wanted to believe, regardless of evidence or lack thereof.
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If true, that seems more like proof that Obama defrauded the grant people than that he's not a citizen.
He's a Democrat: he was a citizen before he wasn't a citizen before he was a citizen :lol:
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He's a Democrat: he was a citizen before he wasn't a citizen before he was a citizen :lol:
Depends on what the definition of is is.
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I very much would like this to be true.
But an anonymous post on a bulletin board doesn't come close to being proof.
It MAY provide a starting point for someone with actual research resources to start looking . . .
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Fuel for the fire.
Whether BO is a natural born citizen or not, at one time he tried very hard to convince people he was from Kenya, for whatever reason.
I personally subscribe to the view that there is something embarrassing on the long form. But this is still interesting.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/17/The-Vetting-Barack-Obama-Literary-Agent-1991-Born-in-Kenya-Raised-Indonesia-Hawaii
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here you go--
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
wow- that sure looks real to me- , why someone just took the bound book and scanned. No problems there. Now explain the background key pattern- whats with that?
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here you go--
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
wow- that sure looks real to me- , why someone just took the bound book and scanned. No problems there. Now explain the background key pattern- whats with that?
Its obviously a racism test.