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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: AZRedhawk44 on October 18, 2013, 04:50:19 PM
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http://www.eliomotors.com/
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Legally a motorcycle, but 3-wheeled enclosed with a 900cc engine that gets 84mpg. Front wheel drive. Two-seater, in-line seating.
American made.
$6800.
That's effing awesome.
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Has cupholders, and an option for automatic transmission. Pure win.
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Dear God I better not let my wife see it...
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Get a motorcycle trailer to go with it and it would quite utilitarian.
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http://www.eliomotors.com/
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Legally a motorcycle, but 3-wheeled enclosed with a 900cc engine that gets 84mpg. Front wheel drive. Two-seater, in-line seating.
American made.
$6800.
That's effing awesome.
edited for proper emphasis! =)
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That's about half the price of a CanAm Spyder, and it keeps ya dry!
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They should make it rear-engined/RWD. It'd open up a lot of storage space up front (essentially turning the current engine bay into a trunk), and it'd be a bit more sporty. Downside is it'd be a little bit longer.
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They should make it rear-engined/RWD. It'd open up a lot of storage space up front (essentially turning the current engine bay into a trunk), and it'd be a bit more sporty. Downside is it'd be a little bit longer.
It'd also handle like slop in the rain and snow. 1 pressure point on the ground, no paired power wheel. I normally favor RWD, but I don't think so in this case.
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Agreed. For a three wheeled vehicle, two powered wheels up front is truly superior to the more traditional trike set up.
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It'd also handle like slop in the rain and snow. 1 pressure point on the ground, no paired power wheel. I normally favor RWD, but I don't think so in this case.
wouldn't all the power to one wheel work better than splitting the power and weight of the axle between two wheels? not to mention even better gas mileage as you're not turning dual driveshafts?
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Legally a motorcycle, so the occupants have to wear helmets (in states with helmet laws)?
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Not knowing motorcycle engines, is that big or small?
How does this compare with smart cars? I assume those itty bitty cars are the main competition?
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Do the front wheels lean into a turn like the CAN-AM's?
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Not knowing motorcycle engines, is that big or small?
How does this compare with smart cars? I assume those itty bitty cars are the main competition?
Used to be considered big. Now-a-days, not so much. Current larger bikes have engines over 1300cc's. My last bike had 1100cc's & a 6 speed trans. Second gear was good from stop to ~90mph.
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Legally a motorcycle, so the occupants have to wear helmets (in states with helmet laws)?
When Michigan still had a helmet law, you were required to wear one on a three wheeled vehicle. Other states may be different though.
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I assume that the rear wheel does not steer :O
Otherwise, I'm not sure why this wasn't done 30 years ago. Actually I think it was but it didn't take off - I remember seeing a YT some time ago about something built in the 1980s =|
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Not knowing motorcycle engines, is that big or small?
How does this compare with smart cars? I assume those itty bitty cars are the main competition?
in the early 80's, the largest goldwing tour bike was 1200cc. now there are some out there with 1800cc engines. our 2001 CRV (honda suv) was only 1900cc. a roomate of mine ran a"midget" racecar that had a kz900 bike engine. i'm curious who makes the engine, and how the parts supply will be.
this company must not have any stockholders. motorcycles of this size are going for 9k, and they have fewer components. the can-am runs from 17k-30k. at a price of $6800, i can't imagine that there would be any profit beyond modest workers wages. also, i can't imagine dealerships springing up nationwide as salesmen like a cut as well. maybe factory direct shipping? btw, i'm not complaining if the profiteers don't get their cut, as far as i'm concerned we could all afford products like this if we took them out of the loop.
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A nice update on the Messerschmidt Bubble Car, but still a bit narrow for my carcass.
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I what this is one , 2013 Morgan 3 Wheeler
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http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/convertibles/1208_2013_morgan_3_wheeler_first_drive/ (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/convertibles/1208_2013_morgan_3_wheeler_first_drive/)
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There are a few designs out there similar in concept, but they lean like a motorcycle. To me, that would be the selling point, as the g force's would tend to push one down in the seat, like on a MC or in an airplane- the sensation is of carving the corner.
The reason all these cool designs are three wheelers is because the FEDERAL REGULATIONS pertaining to cars do not apply to thee wheeled vehicles.
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That's about half the price of a CanAm Spyder, and it keeps ya dry!
I was thinking the same thing.
WANT!
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in the early 80's, the largest goldwing tour bike was 1200cc. now there are some out there with 1800cc engines.
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I would put a 900cc engine somewhere in the middle ground these days. 600cc seems to be very popular.
bob
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Otherwise, I'm not sure why this wasn't done 30 years ago. Actually I think it was but it didn't take off - I remember seeing a YT some time ago about something built in the 1980s =|
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isetta
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isetta
I remember those little cars.
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I what this is one , 2013 Morgan 3 Wheeler
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/convertibles/1208_2013_morgan_3_wheeler_first_drive/ (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/convertibles/1208_2013_morgan_3_wheeler_first_drive/)
Got an extra $45,000 laying around?
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That's pretty cool. The SF video (perhaps wrongly) says it gets 50 mpg...still not bad.
I already see an aftermarket for hot rodding that thing.
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That's pretty cool. The SF video (perhaps wrongly) says it gets 50 mpg...still not bad.
I already see an aftermarket for hot rodding that thing.
50 in town, 80ish on highway.
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The reason all these cool designs are three wheelers is because the FEDERAL REGULATIONS pertaining to cars do not apply to thee wheeled vehicles.
And all these 3-wheeled designs would be better, and safer, if they could use 4 wheels. There is pretty much no reason to use 3 wheels, except that the government will actually permit you more freedom if you use the inferior platform. It is impossible for me to be attracted to Spyder-type vehicles, knowing that they were designed not according to engineering principles, but were designed around Federal regulations.
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ever see the givs idea of a safe motorcycle? ala jian claybrooks regime?
damn phone
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And all these 3-wheeled designs would be better, and safer, if they could use 4 wheels. There is pretty much no reason to use 3 wheels, except that the government will actually permit you more freedom if you use the inferior platform. It is impossible for me to be attracted to Spyder-type vehicles, knowing that they were designed not according to engineering principles, but were designed around Federal regulations.
having four wheels may be safer, but would lose in the gas mileage and performance category due to the extra weight. the elio also gives up visibility, which I have always considered the largest safety bonus of a bike.
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having four wheels may be safer, but would lose in the gas mileage and performance category due to the extra weight. the elio also gives up visibility, which I have always considered the largest safety bonus of a bike.
Kind of like a recumbent bicycle that none of the road-hypnotized driving zombies can actually see because it's so low.
I'd like to know something about its crashworthiness.
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Kind of like a recumbent bicycle that none of the road-hypnotized driving zombies can actually see because it's so low.
I'd like to know something about its crashworthiness.
it does have 3 airbags, and a crumple zone front and back. in the video they claim something like "soon to be given 5 stars for impact" rating. =D if i was gonna be hit, i would rather have a cage with airbags around me than nothing.
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it does have 3 airbags, and a crumple zone front and back. in the video they claim something like "soon to be given 5 stars for impact" rating. =D if i was gonna be hit, i would rather have a cage with airbags around me than nothing.
Yep. A traditional motorcycle is a crumple zone.
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I remember those little cars.
I knew a guy that has 3 or them.
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having four wheels may be safer, but would lose in the gas mileage and performance category due to the extra weight.
Unsubstantiated; and I have no reason to believe it. 3 wheels have less rolling resistance than 4 if they are the same size wheels, but have you seen the size of the rear wheel on the Spyder? They just make it bigger to compensate for having one, yet they still give up the stability advantage of 4 wheels. Rolling resistance isn't the sole performance metric, things like you know, handling and cornering are important too and there's no way throwing out a wheel helps those things.
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Carver 1
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http://youtu.be/TK4wzBYmTIo
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Unsubstantiated; and I have no reason to believe it. 3 wheels have less rolling resistance than 4 if they are the same size wheels, but have you seen the size of the rear wheel on the Spyder? They just make it bigger to compensate for having one, yet they still give up the stability advantage of 4 wheels. Rolling resistance isn't the sole performance metric, things like you know, handling and cornering are important too and there's no way throwing out a wheel helps those things.
my thinking is that it has more to do with weight reduction and wind resistance, not to mention the added friction from the fourth wheel bearing.
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Unsprung weight of wheel/tire/spindle, the weight of the suspension for that 4th wheel, the weight of having bodywork around that 4th wheel, the rolling resistance, the extra brake rotor/caliper/pads/brake lines, sway bar, you name it.
Yep. A traditional motorcycle is a crumple zone.
:rofl:
As a motorcycle rider myself, that flipped my giggle switch, I'll have to admit!
Anybody remember the OSHA horse?
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In Oz, "cowboys" are now required to wear helmets ;/
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In Oz, "cowboys" are now required to wear helmets ;/
Please tell me this is a joke.
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What I want is an open wheel- think formula ford - car with the wheels and the drivers pod set up to lean into the corner. It would use a high output MC engine like a Busa, have four MC tires say 180/55x17, use a chain drive to a limited slip dif. RWD. Weight around 1000 lbs.
That carver is a real hoot, but again, it suffers from FEDERAL REGULATORY nightmare avoidance syndrome.
( FRNAS)
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Please tell me this is a joke.
No, but I can't remember where I read it.
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Joan claybrooks 450 k design
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x201/hultman89/Claybrook.jpg
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I've been seeing things like this around town, recently:
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Stupid *expletive deleted*ing safety nazi unskilled untrained devices to give a false sense of security to people that don't learn how to DRIVE A *expletive deleted*ing MOTORCYCLE PROPERLY.
Hint: You'll NEVER learn to ride properly if you use these since you'll never learn to counter-steer.
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Wait, seriously? That's a real thing, not just a "training wheels for Harleys" joke? :O
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Wait, seriously? That's a real thing, not just a "training wheels for Harleys" joke? :O
Yes. They exist. Srsly.
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:O :facepalm: :O :facepalm: :O :facepalm:
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High-end ones. ;/
http://www.trikealternative.com/
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With the flip of a switch unlock the stabilizing wheels to provide a two wheel ride. With another flip of a switch immediately lock the wheels to provide the stability of a trike. The wheels are always on the ground ready to lock or unlock in an instant.
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At your fingertips is the ability to control the stabilizing wheels, raise them to provide a two-wheel ride. Lower them with the flip of a switch to provide the stability of a trike. Consider them landing gear for motorcycles - for 1500 and 1800 Goldwings only.
Yes, people ACTUALLY think FEEL that these stoopid things INCREASE stability. :O :rofl:
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I've been seeing things like this around town, recently:
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Stupid *expletive deleted* safety nazi unskilled untrained devices to give a false sense of security to people that don't learn how to DRIVE A *expletive deleted* MOTORCYCLE PROPERLY.
Hint: You'll NEVER learn to ride properly if you use these since you'll never learn to counter-steer.
that can't be real! :facepalm: :facepalm: the only thing that's good for is parking on hot asphalt.
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^^^ I have always wondered if those training wheel setups would be good for an experienced rider who was perhaps starting to experience balance issues from old age or vertigo or something.
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^^^ I have always wondered if those training wheel setups would be good for an experienced rider who was perhaps starting to experience balance issues from old age or vertigo or something.
unless those trainers are attached to a swing arm any bumps are gonna tear them, and you, up.
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How the hell are you supposed to lean into the turn with those things on??/rhetorical question
They must not be, but they sure look to me as if they'd be more dangerous than riding without.
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I've been seeing things like this around town, recently:
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Stupid *expletive deleted* safety nazi unskilled untrained devices to give a false sense of security to people that don't learn how to DRIVE A *expletive deleted* MOTORCYCLE PROPERLY.
Hint: You'll NEVER learn to ride properly if you use these since you'll never learn to counter-steer.
There are indeed training wheels for motorcycles but, that definitely looks like a Photoshop.
And if it's not "shopped" then:
unless those trainers are attached to a swing arm any bumps are gonna tear them, and you, up.
^^^ I have always wondered if those training wheel setups would be good for an experienced rider who was perhaps starting to experience balance issues from old age or vertigo or something.
I have vertigo so the "high end" ones would be right up my alley and I already know how to counter steer.
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I thought outriggers for motorcycles were for riding on snow/ice?
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That's not a true Harley. ;)
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Looks like Elio is getting serious again, I have been seeing their ads on the web.
http://www.eliomotors.com/
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They keep pushing the release date back, and I don't think the factory is anywhere close to up and running. That being said, I continue to follow them with interest.
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http://thehayride.com/2017/05/shreveports-elio-motors-debacle-reaches-end-stages/#ixzz4hgCRn7UJ
This looks close to the final nail in the coffin for Elio.
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http://thehayride.com/2017/05/shreveports-elio-motors-debacle-reaches-end-stages/#ixzz4hgCRn7UJ
This looks close to the final nail in the coffin for Elio.
Yeah, we ain't buying it.
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That's too bad, those things were cool looking.
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http://thehayride.com/2017/05/shreveports-elio-motors-debacle-reaches-end-stages/#ixzz4hgCRn7UJ
This looks close to the final nail in the coffin for Elio.
That's a shame. I can only guess that the shale oil revolution has dampened the enthusiasm for the vehicle. If gas prices were still pushing $4 per gallon, I don't think he'd be having so many problems.
Random thought- I wonder how these would do paired with self-driving technology.
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It's not the vehicle that's the issue here in Shreveport, LA, it's the shady business practices and lying that has destroyed the faith and trust in the project here locally.