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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: MillCreek on March 29, 2017, 11:52:40 PM
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I still do two spaces. Which probably is consistent with my being a geezer.
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I don' t conform to any standard.Espececially when people getpicky about it.
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Two.
Most of the "classic" writing schemes have been developed for ease of communication IMO.
When I put two spaces in my stuff, I mean two spaces, and software that eliminates one of them is, well... not quite an abomination in the Biblical sense, but it is a mite offensive.
Besides, that's the way I learned it in touch typing class in 1953. So there. :neener:
Poerty? Well, that's another matter and depends on how a poem means.
tyRRX
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Two spaces.
Anyone who says otherwise is a Nazi.
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I just use two periods.. Then a single space..
bob
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wellwhyusespacesatallorevencapitallettersinthefirstplaceorstandardpunctuationsymbolscommaeither&
bet no body read's that anyhau period
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One.
I stopped using a typewriter 30 or 35 years ago. Two spaces was for typing with the old, mono-spaced Pica or Elite typefaces. Proportional typefaces should not use double spaces.
I would say, "Go ahead, call me a Nazi" -- but you already have, so that's redundant.
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I learned how to type in the early 80s on an actual typewriter. I use two spaces. I know it isn't necessary today, but it's habit and I like the more definite visual break between sentences.
Chris
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One.
Proportional spacing is actually a thing now.
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I learned how to type in the early 80s on an actual typewriter. I use two spaces. I know it isn't necessary today, but it's habit and I like the more definite visual break between sentences.
Chris
So did I.
But, I also used one of the early desktop publishing programs, Ventura Publisher, and it would do weird crap if you put two periods at the end of a sentence.
Maybe we should get beyond this by doing something differentSTOP No more need for periods OR spacingSTOP
But, I supposed there'd be a group of people who would have to be differentSTOPSTOP
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One.
I stopped using a typewriter 30 or 35 years ago. Two spaces was for typing with the old, mono-spaced Pica or Elite typefaces. Proportional typefaces should not use double spaces.
I would say, "Go ahead, call me a Nazi" -- but you already have, so that's redundant.
Don't mind Angeleyes...
He's having his period, so he's grumpy... :rofl:
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Don't mind Angeleyes...
He's having his period, so he's grumpy... :rofl:
Just give him some space.
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I still use two when writing long comments in computer code with monospace fonts.
In any other situation I will laugh at you for using two spaces. It's like people who still pump the accelerator pedal before starting their car. lol.
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I still use two when writing long comments in computer code with monospace fonts.
In any other situation I will laugh at you for using two spaces. It's like people who still pump the accelerator pedal before starting their car. lol.
Some of us still have carburetors.
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So did I.
But, I also used one of the early desktop publishing programs, Ventura Publisher, and it would do weird crap if you put two periods at the end of a sentence.
Maybe we should get beyond this by doing something differentSTOP No more need for periods OR spacingSTOP
But, I supposed there'd be a group of people who would have to be differentSTOPSTOP
I was going to start writing all my posts with three spaces, but now I'm gonna start writing all my posts like that! :laugh:
Did telegraph operators take down the code in print or in cursive? =D
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What if it's a cursive font? >:D
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I still use two when writing long comments in computer code with monospace fonts.
In any other situation I will laugh at you for using two spaces.
You may be investing a wee too much into this .
I will leave an infinite number of spaces after this sentence.
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I didn't know until I started typing this what it was I used. Looks like it's a single space. Before computers I used two when typing. This last double-space looks odd.
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I've always used two spaces after a period. Even my iPhone if you hit the space "bar" twice will add the period for you.
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I've always used two spaces after a period. Even my iPhone if you hit the space "bar" twice will add the period for you.
I learned with two spaces after the period as well, and never saw a reason to change that habit.
Interesting to note that on the iPhone hitting space twice will insert a period and a single space.
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The Android also adds a period after hitting "space" twice. It only leaves one space between the sentences, though.
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I'm going to modify my Android so that instead of putting a period after double spacing, it put STOPSTOP.
If nothing else, it will confuse the hell out of peopleSTOP
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FWIW, being the only male in a house of females, I provide plenty of space after a period.
Chris
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FWIW, being the only male in a house of females, I provide plenty of space after during a period.
Chris
FIFY
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TWO SPACES !!!!
http://www.gocomics.com/bloom-county/2015/10/01
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Maybe we should get beyond this by doing something differentSTOP No more need for periods OR spacingSTOP
But, I supposed there'd be a group of people who would have to be differentSTOPSTOP
Not a bad ideaSTOP And instead of an exclamation point you could typeSTOPDAMIT
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I b'leeves the standard word for an exclamation point is "bang" Bang
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FWIW, being the only male in a house of females, I provide plenty of space after a period.
Chris
STOP STOP STOP
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Just give him some space.
Okay ... but only one, not two.
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You may be investing a wee too much into this .
I will leave an infinite number of spaces after this sentence.
Anyone else actually check to see how many spaces were after the last sentence? (3)
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Anyone else actually check to see how many spaces were after the last sentence? (3)
No.
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No.
Two hundred fifty-six CHR$(32)s ?
I sometimes accidentally type a comma instead of a period, then two spaces for the end of a sentence and not notice it just by proofreading. I wrote a program to go through a body of text to find and replace comma blank blank with period blank blank, but that was in Applesoft "basic." Now I just use a larger font in Notepad (where I do most of my composing) so I can spot that and other errors more easily. So that was a useful aspect of using two spaces.
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Anyone else actually check to see how many spaces were after the last sentence? (3)
I do in my job. Because I work with some people who thing that if two spaces are OK, 4 to 17 must be shitpotloads better!
Bunch of retarded monkeys.
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I do in my job. Because I work with some people who thing that if two spaces are OK, 4 to 17 must be shitpotloads better!
Bunch of retarded monkeys.
That happens to me on posts when I keep editing over and over and adding more pairs of spaces at the end. I think the system usually filters that out.
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I do in my job. Because I work with some people who thing that if two spaces are OK, 4 to 17 must be shitpotloads better!
Bunch of retarded monkeys.
Oh, yes!
I often receive documents prepared by people who were paid professional money to prepare them. It's astonishing how many people and organizations haven't yet discovered PDF -- they send out things like newsletter, reports, and contracts in Word. Turn on the view formatting and you find things like using five spaces to indent the first line of a paragraph, rather than just format the paragraph to indent automatically. Or 20 gazillion spaces to create space between something at the start of a line and something else toward the right side of the page, rather than just inserting a tab. One that I particularly don't understand, and I'm seeing more of recently, is adding a space or two AFTER the closing period of a paragraph.
Then there are the ones who create a document with twenty five paragraphs, that all look the same when printed, but when you turn on reveal formatting you find that every paragraph is formatted differently. :facepalm:
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Oh, yes!
I often receive documents prepared by people who were paid professional money to prepare them. It's astonishing how many people and organizations haven't yet discovered PDF -- they send out things like newsletter, reports, and contracts in Word. Turn on the view formatting and you find things like using five spaces to indent the first line of a paragraph, rather than just format the paragraph to indent automatically. Or 20 gazillion spaces to create space between something at the start of a line and something else toward the right side of the page, rather than just inserting a tab. One that I particularly don't understand, and I'm seeing more of recently, is adding a space or two AFTER the closing period of a paragraph.
Then there are the ones who create a document with twenty five paragraphs, that all look the same when printed, but when you turn on reveal formatting you find that every paragraph is formatted differently. :facepalm:
Adding two spaces is often just automatic for me after hitting the period whether I am going to start another sentence or end a paragraph.
On Word formating, I have probably done this a number times after giving up fighting with Word as it tries to auto format to what it thinks I should do rather than what I want to do. I rarely have that issue when starting from scratch. Using template documents can give me issues. I am sure it is something I did wrong in the first place, but sometimes I get tired of dealing with it. Usually it is when I run afoul of the tier level outline formatting some of our documents use.
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Adding two spaces is often just automatic for me after hitting the period whether I am going to start another sentence or end a paragraph.
Yes.
On Word formating, I have probably done this a number times after giving up fighting with Word as it tries to auto format to what it thinks I should do rather than what I want to do. I rarely have that issue when starting from scratch. Using template documents can give me issues. I am sure it is something I did wrong in the first place, but sometimes I get tired of dealing with it. Usually it is when I run afoul of the tier level outline formatting some of our documents use.
Yes, yes.
Turn on the view formatting and you find things like using five spaces to indent the first line of a paragraph, rather than just format the paragraph to indent automatically.
Older version of Word, but that drove me nuts for a while. Gave up, and I hope Hawkmoon never gets a Word document from me. It would probably drive him nuts.
But, as I said, I usually use Notepad and paste to Word if it's desirable.
Terry
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I still do two spaces. Which probably is consistent with my being a geezer.
Two spaces. It's the Right Thing to Do.
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That happens to me on posts when I keep editing over and over and adding more pairs of spaces at the end. I think the system usually filters that out.
I think where I work it's a case of the tardmonkeys being so bored by what they're writing they doze off briefly at the end of every sentence... thumb down.
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Oh, yes!
I often receive documents prepared by people who were paid professional money to prepare them. It's astonishing how many people and organizations haven't yet discovered PDF -- they send out things like newsletter, reports, and contracts in Word. Turn on the view formatting and you find things like using five spaces to indent the first line of a paragraph, rather than just format the paragraph to indent automatically. Or 20 gazillion spaces to create space between something at the start of a line and something else toward the right side of the page, rather than just inserting a tab. One that I particularly don't understand, and I'm seeing more of recently, is adding a space or two AFTER the closing period of a paragraph.
Then there are the ones who create a document with twenty five paragraphs, that all look the same when printed, but when you turn on reveal formatting you find that every paragraph is formatted differently. :facepalm:
Ah, I love those people... They give me job security...
My personal favorite is if someone wants to do something in a document, they don't look for the proper Word style, they simply write another one because they're too lazy. And the next person does the same thing, often duplicating the efforts of the first.
And then, they merge two, three, or more documents, each with its own unique set of styles, into a single document... And they do so without flushing the old document's styles, which are immediately imported into the new document...
So now, instead of having one clean original document with with 30 or so styles, you've got the 42nd level of hell document with several HUNDRED styles and most of them either useless because they're not built correctly or they're duplicating multiple other styles.
Guh.
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Ah, I love those people... They give me job security...
My personal favorite is if someone wants to do something in a document, they don't look for the proper Word style, they simply write another one because they're too lazy. And the next person does the same thing, often duplicating the efforts of the first.
And then, they merge two, three, or more documents, each with its own unique set of styles, into a single document... And they do so without flushing the old document's styles, which are immediately imported into the new document...
So now, instead of having one clean original document with with 30 or so styles, you've got the 42nd level of hell document with several HUNDRED styles and most of them either useless because they're not built correctly or they're duplicating multiple other styles.
Guh.
Sounds like military Powerpoints that different sections work on with different fonts, styles, and backgrounds.
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I think where I work it's a case of the tardmonkeys being so bored by what they're writing they doze off briefly at the end of every sentence... thumb down.
I was once in a short assignment doing new procedures for mechanical integrity. I sympathize. It would not be my choice of job.
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Two spaces = .45 inch. That is too big and slow for typing. A single 9mm space is better in every way.
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Two spaces = .45 inch. That is too big and slow for typing. A single 9mm space is better in every way.
One .45 does the job. You need two 9mm or HP 9mm that spreads to near .45. =)
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One .45 does the job. You need two 9mm or HP 9mm that spreads to near .45. =)
What about the .40GAP.
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Ah, I love those people... They give me job security...
My personal favorite is if someone wants to do something in a document, they don't look for the proper Word style, they simply write another one because they're too lazy. And the next person does the same thing, often duplicating the efforts of the first.
And then, they merge two, three, or more documents, each with its own unique set of styles, into a single document... And they do so without flushing the old document's styles, which are immediately imported into the new document...
So now, instead of having one clean original document with with 30 or so styles, you've got the 42nd level of hell document with several HUNDRED styles and most of them either useless because they're not built correctly or they're duplicating multiple other styles.
Guh.
And most of them can get by with maybe three styles: Normal, Body Text, and Subparagraph1 (or Outline1)
I think another problem is that many (dare I say "most"?) companies and organizations don't have any standards established for this. They seem to assume that when they hire someone who can turn on a computer, that person must already know how to use Word so no instruction, training, or guidance is necessary.
Many years ago I worked for a company that had a marketing director, who had his own "administrative assistant." She was a gorgeous blonde, and she had Peter absolutely snowed. One day he sent me a proposal he was working on and he asked me to edit it. When I started editing, the printed drafts would up with "headers" and "footers" scattered throughout the document. His administrative assistant had claimed on her resume, among other things, that she had been an instructor in word processing. But she didn't know how to create a header and footer so they automatically went at the top and bottom of each page. She was actually entering them manually each time the text scrolled to a new page.
I pointed out to Peter that his assistant was not what she seemed to be, and he became very defensive. So I just gave him the edited document and let him deal with the aftermath -- I didn't fix the headers and footers. "Not my job, mon."
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And most of them can get by with maybe three styles: Normal, Body Text, and Subparagraph1 (or Outline1)
Times New Roman and Arial are the only two fonts.
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Times New Roman and Arial are the only two fonts.
What about Comic Sans, my favorite.
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What about Comic Sans, my favorite.
http://www.comicsanscriminal.com/
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I'm a two spacer, and at the age of 37 I'm younger than you so it's just because I'm a geezer. I was taught touch typing in the mid-90's on an actual typewriter. I got a D for looking at my fingers. It wasn't long after that I got online and my typing went up. I'm at about 105wpm most days. Most of my early online stuff was before proportional fonts, or even Windows for that matter, so double spaces at the ends of sentences was normal. Most of my wiring is computer code where everything is monospaced unless you're a deranged lunatic and the rule also works well there. I have no desire to change. Any system that really cares can filter it out quite easily. It's just a space, not a non-breaking space.
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http://www.comicsanscriminal.com/
I'm aware... I still like Comic Sans. I watch anime too. Your point? XD
(https://myanimelist.cdn-dena.com/signature/HeroHog.png) (https://myanimelist.net/animelist/HeroHog&sclick=1)
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http://www.digitalbookworld.com/2013/the-top-ten-mistakes-writers-make-when-self-publishing-a-book/
5. Using a word processor other than Microsoft Word. Admittedly, Word is a beast, and you will need to wrestle it to the ground. There are cheaper and more elegant word processors, but nothing has the paragraph styles capability of Word nor the universal acceptance from the reviewers, testers, editors, designers, and resellers that you’ll use downstream.
Drat.
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People where I work only really need to use 4 or 5 tags...
Heading 1, Heading 2, Heading 3, and possibly occasionally Table Body and Table Header.
The templates that we developed have all of the formatting, and more importantly, all of the directions, that anyone needs.
And they still screw it up.
As for fonts, .gov standards seem to be either Arial or Times New Roman, depending on the group that put together the template. My contract's templates are all TNR, but I have to use Arial a lot.
My favorite font is Palatino. It's what American Rifleman used to be printed in (may still be). It's got a very elegant look to it.
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Your point? XD
Humor.
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TWO SPACES !!!!
http://www.gocomics.com/bloom-county/2015/10/01
QFT!
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Times New Roman and Arial are the only two fonts.
Arial is nothing more than a malformed Helvetica ripoff. :police: >:D
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What about Comic Sans, my favorite.
Comic Sans was the font of choice at Outer Circle Products. Every damn e-mail and document was in comic sans...
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In any other situation I will laugh at you for using two spaces. It's like people who still pump the accelerator pedal before starting their car. lol.
lol. That was funny. :laugh: