Author Topic: GWAS and the Fatal Conceit: Or Why Your Gay Gene Is No Longer Happy  (Read 6051 times)

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« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2008, 07:09:50 AM »
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So comparisons to the rest of the animal kingdom aren't terribly useful.

True enough.

But remember, you're reading the "it's all genes" side of the argument there.

When you add in a non-physical component, the genetic arguments pretty much have to step aside where it comes to motive and inclination.

I can understand if it's hard keeping that poorly written dichotomy straight.

Hell, it was hard enough just writing it.

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« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2008, 09:16:12 AM »
I don't really see what difference it makes if homosexuality is nature or nurture, given that it's a consenting act between adults (and where it isn't, other laws already apply).  So IMO it doesn't matter if they do it by choice, or if they are genetical predisposed to it.  It doesn't affect me (other than ensuring that there will be more women available for me Wink), so I don't see why it should be any of my business, or of the government.  (I suppose the discrimination/hate-crimes laws might therefore need checking, but I don't see any problem as long as the level of protection afforded is no more/less than for any comparable subject).

In contrast (given that the comparison has already been made), pedophilia involves the abuse of someone who cannot consent to the acts involved (not legally, and in almost all cases not at all).  So it is inately harmful to others.  If pedophilia is a choice, it is a wicked one.  If it is genetic, then pedophiles are simply programmed to be abusive, and need to be dealt with on that basis (e.g. by locking them up indefinitely, or else taking more drastic measures).


If it's nurture, then, frankly, it's seriously abusive to "teach" it to children...

something about which they will later be educated and into which they will, with luck, be indoctrinated and inducted...

Who is "teaching" children homosexuality?
Where are children being "indoctrinated" and "inducted" into it?

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Re: GWAS and the Fatal Conceit: Or Why Your Gay Gene Is No Longer Happy
« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2008, 11:01:27 AM »
Homosexuality is not an act. It is a sexual orientation. A person can be gay (i.e. sexually attracted exclusively to males) and never perform a single sex act.
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Re: GWAS and the Fatal Conceit: Or Why Your Gay Gene Is No Longer Happy
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2008, 11:51:27 AM »
Homosexuality is not an act. It is a sexual orientation. A person can be gay (i.e. sexually attracted exclusively to males) and never perform a single sex act.

Kinda like being a marksman without ever firing a rifle?
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Re: GWAS and the Fatal Conceit: Or Why Your Gay Gene Is No Longer Happy
« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2008, 11:53:36 AM »
Homosexuality is not an act. It is a sexual orientation. A person can be gay (i.e. sexually attracted exclusively to males) and never perform a single sex act.

Kinda like being a marksman without ever firing a rifle?

Homo/heterosexuality is not about what you do, it's about what you want to do. In the same way some males are heterosexuals (they lust after women) but they do not necessarily have sex with them (maybe they don't get any, or just choose to restrain their sexual urges for religious or other reasons).
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Re: GWAS and the Fatal Conceit: Or Why Your Gay Gene Is No Longer Happy
« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2008, 12:04:55 PM »
Homosexuality is not an act. It is a sexual orientation. A person can be gay (i.e. sexually attracted exclusively to males) and never perform a single sex act.

Kinda like being a marksman without ever firing a rifle?

More like being a gun nut without ever owning a gun.
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Re: GWAS and the Fatal Conceit: Or Why Your Gay Gene Is No Longer Happy
« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2008, 12:06:33 PM »
Homosexuality is not an act. It is a sexual orientation. A person can be gay (i.e. sexually attracted exclusively to males) and never perform a single sex act.

Kinda like being a marksman without ever firing a rifle?

More like being a gun nut without ever owning a gun.

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